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  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,529
    Watched the movie last night.

    I really didn't think it was all that negative of a portrayal of her. I mean, she was a newborn mother and had a son in Iraq and a pregnant teenage daughter, and they took her away from her family and fed her information 24/7, and she didn't know anything about anything to start with. What did they expect? At least that's what I got out of it.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,384
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    Watched the movie last night.

    I really didn't think it was all that negative of a portrayal of her. I mean, she was a newborn mother and had a son in Iraq and a pregnant teenage daughter, and they took her away from her family and fed her information 24/7, and she didn't know anything about anything to start with. What did they expect? At least that's what I got out of it.
    I agree. It was a well-acted movie and was more "fair and balanced" then I assumed it would be. Considering she was thrown into the meat-grinder after a five day vetting process, I don't know how much better anyone else would do. They made her out to have excellent poise without the political refinement.

    The movie further reinforced my belief that you have better acting skills then decision making skills to be elected president ... and a shitload of campaign money. I can see why Super PAC's came to fruition if the GOP was outspent by $250M.
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  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,529
    Jason P wrote:
    The movie further reinforced my belief that you have better acting skills then decision making skills to be elected president ... and a shitload of campaign money. I can see why Super PAC's came to fruition if the GOP was outspent by $250M.

    Palin was the #1 reason why the Obama campaign was so well funded. She motivated the Democratic base better than anything Obama could've done or said.
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  • inlet13
    inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    polaris_x wrote:
    the most brutal thing that came out of Sarah Palin was listening to people here argue she had more experience than Obama and was therefore more qualified ... :shock:


    I'm not a fan of Sarah Palin at all, but I don't know why I'd want to watch an anti-Palin movie. Why waste my time. Another question is why did they release this video now? Right after Super Tuesday? IMHO - they must've thought she'd be the nominee.

    Anyways, I dislike her, but I do think she was more qualified than (at the time candidate Obama). She had executive experience, and he had none. Literally, none. She served as Governor for 2 years and Mayor for about 6-8 (not sure)and served on City Council prior, whereas Obama started as a community organizer, served as State Senator for about 6-8 years (not sure) and US Senator for about 2 (at least 1 of which he was running for President). I do understand why one would debate "overall experience", because Obama served a larger constituency and was educated at a better school. But, I still think Palin wins there, despite the fact that both weren't properly qualified. In my opinion, however, there's absolutely no doubt she had more "executive experience". There's no point in arguing this fact because anyone who would argue that Obama had more executive experience (as a candidate) doesn't know the definition of executive experience.

    All that said, neither had the experience necessary to be President (in my opinion). So, personally, I'm very glad she's not running for President. And I hope the current President is sent home soon, so he can work on his experience or his basketball game some more.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    <face palm>
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,384
    inlet13 wrote:
    I'm not a fan of Sarah Palin at all, but I don't know why I'd want to watch an anti-Palin movie. Why waste my time. Another question is why did they release this video now? Right after Super Tuesday? IMHO - they must've thought she'd be the nominee.
    I didn't come off as anti-Palin, in my opinion. If anything, it showed the human side of her and what she went through. I don't know if it's accurate, but she didn't get painted as a monster.
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  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,529
    inlet13 wrote:
    I'm not a fan of Sarah Palin at all, but I don't know why I'd want to watch an anti-Palin movie. Why waste my time. Another question is why did they release this video now? Right after Super Tuesday? IMHO - they must've thought she'd be the nominee.

    It's called an "anti-Palin movie" by the "liberal" media (what hogwash that term is), but I do not believe that to be the case. As I said above I thought the movie was quite sympathetic to her. Don't bother actually reading anything that anyone else says though, just like the subject we are discussing.

    John McCain also had no "executive experience" in 2008, if that's how you want to define it. :roll:

    2008 candidate Obama could intelligently discuss all aspects of presidential politics, domestic and international, and it had nothing to do with memorizing flash cards.
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  • inlet13
    inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    Does anyone really disagree that Palin had more "executive experience" than Obama? If so, briefly explain. I'm curious.
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  • inlet13
    inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    Jason P wrote:
    inlet13 wrote:
    I'm not a fan of Sarah Palin at all, but I don't know why I'd want to watch an anti-Palin movie. Why waste my time. Another question is why did they release this video now? Right after Super Tuesday? IMHO - they must've thought she'd be the nominee.
    I didn't come off as anti-Palin, in my opinion. If anything, it showed the human side of her and what she went through. I don't know if it's accurate, but she didn't get painted as a monster.


    Fair enough. I didn't watch it. I didn't assume it was a direct attack on her, I assumed it was more subtle. Sort of like W. I watched that movie and it was horrible. So, I still don't understand why'd I'd want to watch a movie on her, since she wasn't even President. Why not make a movie about Obama? Or Clinton? Or Regan? They were actually President. That could be interesting.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,065
    inlet13 wrote:
    Does anyone really disagree that Palin had more "executive experience" than Obama? If so, briefly explain. I'm curious.

    Fuck executive experience. Who gives a shit? Shes a moron who had experience running a town of of 8,000 people and one of the least populated states in the country. I'll take the Ivy League educated senator.
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,529
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    inlet13 wrote:
    Does anyone really disagree that Palin had more "executive experience" than Obama? If so, briefly explain. I'm curious.

    Fuck executive experience. Who gives a shit? Shes a moron who had experience running a town of of 8,000 people and one of the least populated states in the country. I'll take the Ivy League educated senator.

    She had experience in banning books - very nice.

    She won a mayoral election of a 10,000 person town on an anti-abortion platform. :?
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  • inlet13
    inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    edited March 2012
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    inlet13 wrote:
    Does anyone really disagree that Palin had more "executive experience" than Obama? If so, briefly explain. I'm curious.

    Fuck executive experience. Who gives a shit? Shes a moron who had experience running a town of of 8,000 people and one of the least populated states in the country. I'll take the Ivy League educated senator.

    Fair enough.

    Like I said, I don't think she was qualified to be President either, so we don't disagree there. But, to be fair, she wasn't running for President. The guy who had no executive experience at all was. The guy who started running for President as soon as he was elected a US Senator. The thing is... he won. He's now running our entire country. I'm glad his first job running something was in the Executive Office of the U.S.

    "But, but, but... he can speak real good."

    But, but, but... I digress....
    Post edited by inlet13 on
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  • inlet13
    inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    inlet13 wrote:
    Does anyone really disagree that Palin had more "executive experience" than Obama? If so, briefly explain. I'm curious.

    Fuck executive experience. Who gives a shit? Shes a moron who had experience running a town of of 8,000 people and one of the least populated states in the country. I'll take the Ivy League educated senator.

    She had experience in banning books - very nice.

    She won a mayoral election of a 10,000 person town on an anti-abortion platform. :?


    Do you deny she had more executive experience?
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,065
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    inlet13 wrote:
    Does anyone really disagree that Palin had more "executive experience" than Obama? If so, briefly explain. I'm curious.

    Fuck executive experience. Who gives a shit? Shes a moron who had experience running a town of of 8,000 people and one of the least populated states in the country. I'll take the Ivy League educated senator.

    She had experience in banning books - very nice.

    She won a mayoral election of a 10,000 person town on an anti-abortion platform. :?

    Exactly, it boggles my mind that people can try to argue she was more qualified than Obama to be President. It's an absolutely insane argument.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Exactly, it boggles my mind that people can try to argue she was more qualified than Obama to be President. It's an absolutely insane argument.

    hence the <face palm> ... how do you even have this discussion!?? ... if someone is of the mind that sarah palin was more qualified than obama to be president - then they (to me) are showing a severe lack of critical thinking and are prone to accept outrageous right wing talking points ...

    crickey - even the campaign manager was thankful they didn't win because she was so unqualified ... that sums it up right there ...
  • inlet13
    inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    polaris_x wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Exactly, it boggles my mind that people can try to argue she was more qualified than Obama to be President. It's an absolutely insane argument.

    hence the <face palm> ... how do you even have this discussion!?? ... if someone is of the mind that sarah palin was more qualified than obama to be president - then they (to me) are showing a severe lack of critical thinking and are prone to accept outrageous right wing talking points ...

    crickey - even the campaign manager was thankful they didn't win because she was so unqualified ... that sums it up right there ...


    Once again, I don't think Palin was qualified to be President either. But, I don't think Obama was and he was actually running for President. Anyway...

    Do you think Obama had more executive experience than Palin? Please, explain...

    (I see you're dodging the question)
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  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,529
    She, by your definition of executive experience, had more that Barack Obama, Joe Biden and John McCain, all put together. Happy?
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  • polaris_x
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    inlet13 wrote:
    Once again, I don't think Palin was qualified to be President either. But, I don't think Obama was and he was actually running for President. Anyway...

    Do you think Obama had more executive experience than Palin? Please, explain...

    (I see you're dodging the question)

    if you are running for vice-president ... you better damn well be qualified to be president ...

    yes - i'm dodging the question because it's an absurd talking point ... it's absolutely irrelevant ... utilizing executive experience as a premise that she is better qualified than obama is spin doctoring at its finest and you fell for it ... but hey - if you want to argue the semantics of "executive experience" ... someone might take you up on it ... i have no interest ...
  • inlet13
    inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    polaris_x wrote:
    inlet13 wrote:
    Once again, I don't think Palin was qualified to be President either. But, I don't think Obama was and he was actually running for President. Anyway...

    Do you think Obama had more executive experience than Palin? Please, explain...

    (I see you're dodging the question)

    if you are running for vice-president ... you better damn well be qualified to be president ...

    yes - i'm dodging the question because it's an absurd talking point ... it's absolutely irrelevant ... utilizing executive experience as a premise that she is better qualified than obama is spin doctoring at its finest and you fell for it ... but hey - if you want to argue the semantics of "executive experience" ... someone might take you up on it ... i have no interest ...


    It's not a talking point, it's a reality.

    She had more executive experience.

    I don't like her either, but dodging facts doesn't help your argument.
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  • gimmesometruth27
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    inlet13 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    inlet13 wrote:
    Does anyone really disagree that Palin had more "executive experience" than Obama? If so, briefly explain. I'm curious.

    Fuck executive experience. Who gives a shit? Shes a moron who had experience running a town of of 8,000 people and one of the least populated states in the country. I'll take the Ivy League educated senator.

    Fair enough.

    Like I said, I don't think she was qualified to be President either, so we don't disagree there. But, to be fair, she wasn't running for President. The guy who had no executive experience at all was. The guy who started running for President as soon as he was elected a US Senator. The thing is... he won. He's now running our entire country. I'm glad his first job running something was in the Executive Office of the U.S.

    "But, but, but... he can speak real good."

    But, but, but... I digress....
    no, in her mind she was running for president. look at how angry she got and threw mccain under the bus for stopping campaigning in michigan. the campaign knew they could not win there, yet she went public and tried to undermine that decision. she also wanted to give a concession speech on the night of the election. that shows to me that she was running for president, and her ambition makes that obvious to me. no vice presidential candidate in american history has ever given a concession speech, yet she felt like she was owed the opportunity to give one. in her mind, she was running for president. it was all about her...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."

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