Has Dave A ever commented on Glorified G?

bry321f11 wrote:

Is there a video of this somewhere???

My question as well.
And check out this thread. "Angel was written before Glorified G"
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=183963&p=4265880&hilit=when+was+angel+written#p4265880
Verified??? Looking for dates unless someone knows for sure??

Happier times

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2Xii8eL9mc

RiotZact wrote:

Callaway wrote:

At least he got canned and now we have a fifth musician in the band.

Not sure why you don't think Dave A was a musician but he was. And don't get me wrong he really didn't fit in with the band but as far as being arrogant goes he wasn't the one who wrote a song mocking one of his fellow band mates, just sayin. I love Ed and just about everything he does but the one thing that pisses me off about him is the way he treated Dave A.

Very well put. I know it was a crazy time for everyone in the band, but for EV to be a complete asshole to one of his fellow band members and then write a song mocking him was not cool at all.

I was in the car with a friend a few weeks ago and Glorified G came on the XM station we were listening to and he asked what this song was about. I explained it to him and his only response was "Man, that's fucked up".

Kurto26 wrote:

STT757 wrote:

Callaway wrote:

So very glad Matt Cameron is here! Dave A didn't really fit and Pearl Jam ended up with a virtuoso drummer!

Evenflow (the Single version)
Daughter
Elderly Woman Behind a Counter in a Small Town
Betterman
Corduroy

You may hear Given to Fly on a rare occasion, but besides that there's no radio play of any of he Jack and Matt music.

Ed and Jeff might not have liked Dave personally, I get the strong feeling Mike and Stone felt otherwise, but they enjoyed their highest level of success with Dave Abbruzzese in the band. They went from playing small clubs to playing in front of 70,000 people with Dave on the drums. It's been a slow, steady, decline since. My first Pearl Jam show was Randall's Island night II in 1996. and not because of server problems).

Ok, I understand wanting to give Dave his due for playing on some of PJ's biggest and most popular tracks, but any suggestion his ouster is the reason for their decline is ludicrous. PJ was going to get that big no matter what their drums sounded like. There is a reason that when Jack Irons needed a sabbatical the band didn't break up and instead just replaced him. Not saying that drums aren't important, but for this band it's been more about the lyrics, guitar and bass. Although they'd miss Matt C. if he quit to just do Soundgarden and his creative writing, I doubt they'd break up.

Pretty significant difference:
WMA 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re1eqmFA1AI
WMA 1994
http://www.pearljambootlegs.org/modules ... 3D&ext.m3u

STT757 wrote:

I've got a Feeling

What's Dave have to with I've got a feeling? Is your point that only Dave could hang with Ringo but Matt can"t?

Since it was suggested that Dave was not a "musician", I thought I would repost something I put up a while back. A comparison of the drummers, apples-to-apples, on the same song. This is the best way to compare styles and abilities.




Dave:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoclgBmo ... annel_page

Dave's timing was great. It lined up with the guitar changes. The right hand is playing the china and/or crashes with the guitar changes, and his left hand is keeping a straight snare beat. The snare and cymbal hits only line up once per measure as the count restarts each go-around. It has a great musicality to it. Dave also did great, tight rudiments on a tight hihat during this song.



Here's Jack playing Blood:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsP0TQvKniQ

Jack's timing was pretty much identical with Dave's. Jack's right hand was striking the cymbals and his left was keeping a straight snare beat, once again the snare and cymbal hits only line up once per measure. He used different cymbals (a ride many times), but Jack "got it" as far as how the cymbals interlocked with the guitar changes, while keeping a steady on the snare. Jack couldn't do the rudiments (imho as a drummer), so he just did a simple beat on the hihat, and his fills were a bit loose. Seeing as how he got the rest of the song right, I won't begrudge him this difference. Dave's "thing" was rudiments, so it's hard for most drummers to compare on that part.



Here's Matt playing Blood:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO_B2pMTCEw

I chose this audience video because it sounded a little less muddy than the pro-shot stuff, and on the latter-half of the video you can see Matt playing more at the 2:00 mark, than the pro-shot stuff. Matt's timing on cymbals is a basic beat - he's not hitting the crashes in timing with the music. Matt's just kinda playing a generic beat and slamming the crashes in time with himself, regardless of how the rest of the song goes. His cymbal hits and snare hits line up twice per measure.


Now I know my description may be lost on some... if you can't hear the difference, I truly envy you. This song used to be a favorite because of how intertwined the cymbal hits and guitar intertwined, plus the rudiments, and now with all the changes, it is no longer.

For those who complain that "Dave played cymbals too much", then where are you now on this? If you count, every measure, Matt is hitting the cymbals 6 times. Dave is only hitting them 4 times. This makes it muddy sounding when Matt is playing (plus not in time with the guitar changes), whereas Dave's cymbal hits were spaced out, so you could hear each one.

In order of my preference on Blood: Dave, Jack, Matt

I love those early years, especially the Unplugged stuff but it has to be said...too much cymbal

CJMST3K wrote:

Since it was suggested that Dave was not a "musician", I thought I would repost something I put up a while back. A comparison of the drummers, apples-to-apples, on the same song. This is the best way to compare styles and abilities.




Dave:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoclgBmo ... annel_page

Dave's timing was great. It lined up with the guitar changes. The right hand is playing the china and/or crashes with the guitar changes, and his left hand is keeping a straight snare beat. The snare and cymbal hits only line up once per measure as the count restarts each go-around. It has a great musicality to it. Dave also did great, tight rudiments on a tight hihat during this song.



Here's Jack playing Blood:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsP0TQvKniQ

Jack's timing was pretty much identical with Dave's. Jack's right hand was striking the cymbals and his left was keeping a straight snare beat, once again the snare and cymbal hits only line up once per measure. He used different cymbals (a ride many times), but Jack "got it" as far as how the cymbals interlocked with the guitar changes, while keeping a steady on the snare. Jack couldn't do the rudiments (imho as a drummer), so he just did a simple beat on the hihat, and his fills were a bit loose. Seeing as how he got the rest of the song right, I won't begrudge him this difference. Dave's "thing" was rudiments, so it's hard for most drummers to compare on that part.



Here's Matt playing Blood:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO_B2pMTCEw

I chose this audience video because it sounded a little less muddy than the pro-shot stuff, and on the latter-half of the video you can see Matt playing more at the 2:00 mark, than the pro-shot stuff. Matt's timing on cymbals is a basic beat - he's not hitting the crashes in timing with the music. Matt's just kinda playing a generic beat and slamming the crashes in time with himself, regardless of how the rest of the song goes. His cymbal hits and snare hits line up twice per measure.


Now I know my description may be lost on some... if you can't hear the difference, I truly envy you. This song used to be a favorite because of how intertwined the cymbal hits and guitar intertwined, plus the rudiments, and now with all the changes, it is no longer.

For those who complain that "Dave played cymbals too much", then where are you now on this? If you count, every measure, Matt is hitting the cymbals 6 times. Dave is only hitting them 4 times. This makes it muddy sounding when Matt is playing (plus not in time with the guitar changes), whereas Dave's cymbal hits were spaced out, so you could hear each one.

In order of my preference on Blood: Dave, Jack, Matt

Thanks for this. I don't know shit about drumming and this is the first I am hearing of rudiments, but I have always loved Dave A.'s drumming the best. To me, the sound is so much better and really distinctive. I'm happy Matt's in the band because they probably wouldn't be together but he just sounds average in Pearl Jam, TO ME. His skills are so much better represented in Soundgarden.

I can definitely hear the difference side by side like you posted them.