1,000,000 Lottery winner still on food stamps

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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    This attitude that the world, that our society owes us something,
    for old school people like me ...
    the proud, the hard working, it increasingly becomes a great disappointment
    in people and their character.

    The band wagon is on roll though with more jumping on deserving or not
    when it crashes and burns get in line for the bread

    good thing bread is my favorite food :D

    Take take take ... reminds me of another favorite Jack White lyric
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Monster Rain wrote:
    The state stopped her benefits.
    :clap:

    It's probably too much to ask, but it would kick ass if she also had to reimburse the state for what she used unnecessarily.
  • maj4e
    maj4e Posts: 605
    pandora wrote:
    This attitude that the world, that our society owes us something,
    for old school people like me ...
    the proud, the hard working, it increasingly becomes a great disappointment
    in people and their character.

    The band wagon is on roll though with more jumping on deserving or not
    when it crashes and burns get in line for the bread

    good thing bread is my favorite food :D

    Take take take ... reminds me of another favorite Jack White lyric

    Many people need a little help once in a while. Proud hard working or not.
    I had free lunch from K-4th grade. I guess we were moochers.
    But I've paid it back and then some, military service, good income = taxes.
    Charity donations drafted monthly etc.
  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 27,228
    Give her a break....
    Welfare, food stamps, handouts, living off the system....

    Is probably all her and her family have known for the last 30 years. Right?
    Hard work and earning a living...Has never entered the equation.
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    maj4e wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    This attitude that the world, that our society owes us something,
    for old school people like me ...
    the proud, the hard working, it increasingly becomes a great disappointment
    in people and their character.

    The band wagon is on roll though with more jumping on deserving or not
    when it crashes and burns get in line for the bread

    good thing bread is my favorite food :D

    Take take take ... reminds me of another favorite Jack White lyric

    Many people need a little help once in a while. Proud hard working or not.
    I had free lunch from K-4th grade. I guess we were moochers.
    But I've paid it back and then some, military service, good income = taxes.
    Charity donations drafted monthly etc.
    I think we can see you were deserving, I think you understand the true purpose
    of our food stamp program. Unfortunately this isn't the case for
    many and it is abused.
    Comes down really to being conscientious or being one who thinks they deserve
    whether they truly need or not they deserve it cause everyone is doing it....
    free free free ... take take take

    I see the people now going to the free food distributuion center up the street from me.
    The cars my goodness... expensive cars
    the clothing these people wear...
    they are not in true need they are taking food because it is free
    this from people who truly need it to feed their kids.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,975
    hedonist wrote:
    Monster Rain wrote:
    The state stopped her benefits.
    :clap:

    It's probably too much to ask, but it would kick ass if she also had to reimburse the state for what she used unnecessarily.

    And be banned from public assistance for life.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,975
    I wonder what type of house and car she bought. I also wonder what house and car she would have bought if she wasn't also getting $200/month, would it have changed?

    They should simply write into the public assistance law that if you win the lottery (pick an amount) and fail to notify social services, you must forfeit all your lottery winnings to the state.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,888
    Is public assistance based solely on how much income you have, or is it based on your wealth?

    I'm just thinking, if a person makes a ton of money selling a business or whatever for a one time payout, and they basically live off of that for the rest of their lives, can they then qualify for public assistance the next year since they really don't have any income?
    My whole life
    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • Monster Rain
    Monster Rain Posts: 1,415
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Is public assistance based solely on how much income you have, or is it based on your wealth?

    I'm just thinking, if a person makes a ton of money selling a business or whatever for a one time payout, and they basically live off of that for the rest of their lives, can they then qualify for public assistance the next year since they really don't have any income?

    I believe they factor any savings, investments, etc. into the equation. Otherwise, what would stop a CEO from retiring and collecting welfare while living off his savings?
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,033
    edited March 2012
    MotoDC wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    Or, you could just use those lotto winnings wisely ;)
    ...
    Like, buying a million lottery tickets.
    :lol: saucy!
    PJ Soul wrote:
    That person is totally wrong to be taking from the tax payers the way she is though... I would like to remind people not to vilify welfare recipients in general though. From what I've been hearing, there has been a real tendency towards this lately. Like with that whole 'drug-test every welfare recipient' thing, and many people automatically connecting welfare to laziness. That is not cool. While there are scammers and bums around (and always will be), and there should be processes in place to try and weed them out, categorizing all welfare recipients like that is another step towards class warfare, and an undervaluing of human worth vs. monetary.
    Fair enough, I'll buy that. But when you say "there should be processes to try and weed out the scammers and bums", what do you propose? Since you think drug testing is insensitive or unfair, what do you think would sufficiently protect the system from abuse while not offending legitimate users of welfare?

    Non-invasive investigation. Such as basic credit checks or property tax evaluations. Landlords can do credit checks, and property tax info I think is public information, so I don't think that is over the top. It would be a whole lot cheaper for the state too! Drug testing applies a terrible stigma to welfare recipients that actually does them social harm, and are also an invasion of their privacy rights. I think that whole drug testing thing was suggested out of pure and simple nastiness, frankly.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,888
    Monster Rain wrote:
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Is public assistance based solely on how much income you have, or is it based on your wealth?

    I'm just thinking, if a person makes a ton of money selling a business or whatever for a one time payout, and they basically live off of that for the rest of their lives, can they then qualify for public assistance the next year since they really don't have any income?

    I believe they factor any savings, investments, etc. into the equation. Otherwise, what would stop a CEO from retiring and collecting welfare while living off his savings?

    That's what I was thinking... however, most CEO-type people have stock options/investments, where they do show income.
    My whole life
    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    cincybearcat wrote:
    They should simply write into the public assistance law that if you win the lottery (pick an amount) and fail to notify social services, you must forfeit all your lottery winnings to the state.
    ...
    And... I wonder if the dollar she used to buy the Lottery Ticket was from social services.
    My best guess... Yup.
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    Hail, Hail!!!
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,975
    Cosmo wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    They should simply write into the public assistance law that if you win the lottery (pick an amount) and fail to notify social services, you must forfeit all your lottery winnings to the state.
    ...
    And... I wonder if the dollar she used to buy the Lottery Ticket was from social services.
    My best guess... Yup.

    True. So, who is the real owner of that winning ticket? Good point.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    They should simply write into the public assistance law that if you win the lottery (pick an amount) and fail to notify social services, you must forfeit all your lottery winnings to the state.
    ...
    And... I wonder if the dollar she used to buy the Lottery Ticket was from social services.
    My best guess... Yup.

    True. So, who is the real owner of that winning ticket? Good point.
    ...
    I don't mind her winning the lottery... but, once she won, her public assistance should cease and go to someone who is truely struggling in this tough economy.
    Leastwise, til she spends all of her winnings and ends up on the streets... again.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,033
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    They should simply write into the public assistance law that if you win the lottery (pick an amount) and fail to notify social services, you must forfeit all your lottery winnings to the state.
    ...
    And... I wonder if the dollar she used to buy the Lottery Ticket was from social services.
    My best guess... Yup.

    True. So, who is the real owner of that winning ticket? Good point.

    Not really. If someone gives you a dollar, it's yours and so is anything you buy with it. If her dollar came from social assistance, she is the real owner of the ticket. Otherwise, anything anyone bought with social assistance would belong to the state - food, clothing, toilet paper... it doesn't work that way. Both law and logic clarify this fact. I think suggesting that because someone spent a buck of their welfare cheque on a lottery ticket perhaps the lottery winnings aren't theirs is kind of creepy (no offense)... It's just that it's this kind of thinking that continues to place an unfair negative stigma on all welfare recipients (the great majority of whom are in real need). It adds to the degradation of the sense of community and charity and empathy for our fellow citizens.
    (to clarify, I'm not, never have been and, the way things are going (fingers crossed!), never will be on welfare, in case anyone was thinking I'm biased in any way!).
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,975
    edited March 2012
    PJ_Soul3388 wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    And... I wonder if the dollar she used to buy the Lottery Ticket was from social services.
    My best guess... Yup.

    True. So, who is the real owner of that winning ticket? Good point.

    Not really. If someone gives you a dollar, it's yours and so is anything you buy with it. If her dollar came from social assistance, she is the real owner of the ticket. Otherwise, anything anyone bought with social assistance would belong to the state - food, clothing, toilet paper... it doesn't work that way. Both law and logic clarify this fact. I think suggesting that because someone spent a buck of their welfare cheque on a lottery ticket perhaps the lottery winnings aren't theirs is kind of creepy (no offense)... It's just that it's this kind of thinking that continues to place an unfair negative stigma on all welfare recipients (the great majority of whom are in real need). It adds to the degradation of the sense of community and charity and empathy for our fellow citizens.
    (to clarify, I'm not, never have been and, the way things are going (fingers crossed!), never will be on welfare, in case anyone was thinking I'm biased in any way!).

    Yeah, I know, I get it. I shoulda added a smiley. ;) It was a joking comment.

    But dude, seriously, your response goes a bit far. Creepy? Really? How so?
    Post edited by cincybearcat on
    hippiemom = goodness
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,033
    cincybearcat wrote:
    PJ_Soul3388 wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:

    True. So, who is the real owner of that winning ticket? Good point.

    Not really. If someone gives you a dollar, it's yours and so is anything you buy with it. If her dollar came from social assistance, she is the real owner of the ticket. Otherwise, anything anyone bought with social assistance would belong to the state - food, clothing, toilet paper... it doesn't work that way. Both law and logic clarify this fact. I think suggesting that because someone spent a buck of their welfare cheque on a lottery ticket perhaps the lottery winnings aren't theirs is kind of creepy (no offense)... It's just that it's this kind of thinking that continues to place an unfair negative stigma on all welfare recipients (the great majority of whom are in real need). It adds to the degradation of the sense of community and charity and empathy for our fellow citizens.
    (to clarify, I'm not, never have been and, the way things are going (fingers crossed!), never will be on welfare, in case anyone was thinking I'm biased in any way!).

    Yeah, I know, I get it. I shoulda added a smiley. ;) It was a joking comment.

    Oh, well never mind then. :D You never know around here sometimes! ;) And by creepy I don't mean, like, guy lurking in an alley creepy, lol. I mean creepy like mean and heartless, as in "what a creep that bully is". :)
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,975
    Anyone have recent statistics showing % of people on welfare for different lengths of time?

    I found 1996 data that shows 46.5% are on welfare > 2 years, with about 20% of those being on welfare > 5 years.

    That 20% is the group that we should be focusing on, finding out why, and changing the system to move them up the chart.

    Maybe we can use the lottery winnings to fund the research? ;)

    I think everyone here can agree that what this lady did was ridiculous and her reasoning behind it appalling, no?
    hippiemom = goodness
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,975
    PJ_Soul3388 wrote:
    I mean creepy like mean and heartless, as in "what a creep that bully is". :)

    Ah, ok, thanks for clarifying. It did make sense to me before.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,033
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Anyone have recent statistics showing % of people on welfare for different lengths of time?

    I found 1996 data that shows 46.5% are on welfare > 2 years, with about 20% of those being on welfare > 5 years.

    That 20% is the group that we should be focusing on, finding out why, and changing the system to move them up the chart.

    Maybe we can use the lottery winnings to fund the research? ;)

    I think everyone here can agree that what this lady did was ridiculous and her reasoning behind it appalling, no?

    Of course... for some reason when I saw what she did for some reason the first thing that popped into my head was Octomom, so that kind of tells me how I feel about it!
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata

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