Is public assistance based solely on how much income you have, or is it based on your wealth?
I'm just thinking, if a person makes a ton of money selling a business or whatever for a one time payout, and they basically live off of that for the rest of their lives, can they then qualify for public assistance the next year since they really don't have any income?
I believe they factor any savings, investments, etc. into the equation. Otherwise, what would stop a CEO from retiring and collecting welfare while living off his savings?
That's what I was thinking... however, most CEO-type people have stock options/investments, where they do show income.
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They should simply write into the public assistance law that if you win the lottery (pick an amount) and fail to notify social services, you must forfeit all your lottery winnings to the state.
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And... I wonder if the dollar she used to buy the Lottery Ticket was from social services.
My best guess... Yup.
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They should simply write into the public assistance law that if you win the lottery (pick an amount) and fail to notify social services, you must forfeit all your lottery winnings to the state.
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And... I wonder if the dollar she used to buy the Lottery Ticket was from social services.
My best guess... Yup.
True. So, who is the real owner of that winning ticket? Good point.
They should simply write into the public assistance law that if you win the lottery (pick an amount) and fail to notify social services, you must forfeit all your lottery winnings to the state.
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And... I wonder if the dollar she used to buy the Lottery Ticket was from social services.
My best guess... Yup.
True. So, who is the real owner of that winning ticket? Good point.
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I don't mind her winning the lottery... but, once she won, her public assistance should cease and go to someone who is truely struggling in this tough economy.
Leastwise, til she spends all of her winnings and ends up on the streets... again.
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They should simply write into the public assistance law that if you win the lottery (pick an amount) and fail to notify social services, you must forfeit all your lottery winnings to the state.
...
And... I wonder if the dollar she used to buy the Lottery Ticket was from social services.
My best guess... Yup.
True. So, who is the real owner of that winning ticket? Good point.
Not really. If someone gives you a dollar, it's yours and so is anything you buy with it. If her dollar came from social assistance, she is the real owner of the ticket. Otherwise, anything anyone bought with social assistance would belong to the state - food, clothing, toilet paper... it doesn't work that way. Both law and logic clarify this fact. I think suggesting that because someone spent a buck of their welfare cheque on a lottery ticket perhaps the lottery winnings aren't theirs is kind of creepy (no offense)... It's just that it's this kind of thinking that continues to place an unfair negative stigma on all welfare recipients (the great majority of whom are in real need). It adds to the degradation of the sense of community and charity and empathy for our fellow citizens.
(to clarify, I'm not, never have been and, the way things are going (fingers crossed!), never will be on welfare, in case anyone was thinking I'm biased in any way!).
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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And... I wonder if the dollar she used to buy the Lottery Ticket was from social services.
My best guess... Yup.
True. So, who is the real owner of that winning ticket? Good point.
Not really. If someone gives you a dollar, it's yours and so is anything you buy with it. If her dollar came from social assistance, she is the real owner of the ticket. Otherwise, anything anyone bought with social assistance would belong to the state - food, clothing, toilet paper... it doesn't work that way. Both law and logic clarify this fact. I think suggesting that because someone spent a buck of their welfare cheque on a lottery ticket perhaps the lottery winnings aren't theirs is kind of creepy (no offense)... It's just that it's this kind of thinking that continues to place an unfair negative stigma on all welfare recipients (the great majority of whom are in real need). It adds to the degradation of the sense of community and charity and empathy for our fellow citizens.
(to clarify, I'm not, never have been and, the way things are going (fingers crossed!), never will be on welfare, in case anyone was thinking I'm biased in any way!).
Yeah, I know, I get it. I shoulda added a smiley. It was a joking comment.
But dude, seriously, your response goes a bit far. Creepy? Really? How so?
True. So, who is the real owner of that winning ticket? Good point.
Not really. If someone gives you a dollar, it's yours and so is anything you buy with it. If her dollar came from social assistance, she is the real owner of the ticket. Otherwise, anything anyone bought with social assistance would belong to the state - food, clothing, toilet paper... it doesn't work that way. Both law and logic clarify this fact. I think suggesting that because someone spent a buck of their welfare cheque on a lottery ticket perhaps the lottery winnings aren't theirs is kind of creepy (no offense)... It's just that it's this kind of thinking that continues to place an unfair negative stigma on all welfare recipients (the great majority of whom are in real need). It adds to the degradation of the sense of community and charity and empathy for our fellow citizens.
(to clarify, I'm not, never have been and, the way things are going (fingers crossed!), never will be on welfare, in case anyone was thinking I'm biased in any way!).
Yeah, I know, I get it. I shoulda added a smiley. It was a joking comment.
Oh, well never mind then. You never know around here sometimes! And by creepy I don't mean, like, guy lurking in an alley creepy, lol. I mean creepy like mean and heartless, as in "what a creep that bully is".
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Anyone have recent statistics showing % of people on welfare for different lengths of time?
I found 1996 data that shows 46.5% are on welfare > 2 years, with about 20% of those being on welfare > 5 years.
That 20% is the group that we should be focusing on, finding out why, and changing the system to move them up the chart.
Maybe we can use the lottery winnings to fund the research?
I think everyone here can agree that what this lady did was ridiculous and her reasoning behind it appalling, no?
Of course... for some reason when I saw what she did for some reason the first thing that popped into my head was Octomom, so that kind of tells me how I feel about it!
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I think everyone here can agree that what this lady did was ridiculous and her reasoning behind it appalling, no?
what do you mean? a second house and new car are expensive...she isn't working...you cannot expect her to spend her own money on food now that she owns two houses...
but as the mom said...it is no one's business if she didn't do anything illegal :shock:
I am rushing to judgement here...but it seems to me this young lottery winner may have never had a chance
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This is just an example of all of those taking advantage of food stamps. And judging from how dumb and ignorant the young lady is, I bet she's somewhat of an accurate portrayal of those ripping off the govt for food stamps and/or other services.
It's easy to play ignorant when your back is against the wall..."Oh I didn't know"
this mindset is not ignorance though it is one of entitlement
I agree. Her argument that she thought it was OK because nobody told her it wasn't doesn't do anything to help make her look any better. She basically is saying that she doesn't have any way of making any types of moral choices on her own so it's not her fault. She's entitled to things but responsible for nothing. It must be a nice way to live.
She basically is saying that she doesn't have any way of making any types of moral choices on her own so it's not her fault. She's entitled to things but responsible for nothing. It must be a nice way to live.
I so agree with this - and not just as it applies to this particular idiot in this situation, but to others who have that same mindset.
Like pandora said - "take, take, take" (I too am a JW fan)
I just can't imagine a life like that - no independence, common sense, or accountability.
What I feel for the most here are the young struggling working kids who do not qualify for
aid or even if they did wouldn't try for it.
I received a pic yesterday ironic as this subject we are speaking on...
it was from a young person who works hard, through school, both full time.
these folks paid with their welfare card ....
"I spent half of my money for the week on two bags of groceries... I'm so glad my tax money could help them get two buggies full! notice the big bucket of cheese puffs on the bottom of there cart lol WHAT A NECESSITY!"
I won't post the pic of course but the buggies were busting!
the point really is that hard working people young and old are feeling scammed
and taken advantage of.
They buy very carefully because they can not afford what they could one year ago.
They work and have nothing left.
There is not a time that I go to the store that someone is not paying with aid ...
this in a middle to upperclass area ...
what have we done to our country?
I best not mention about the lottery winner someone will blow a gasket :shock:
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That's what I was thinking... however, most CEO-type people have stock options/investments, where they do show income.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
And... I wonder if the dollar she used to buy the Lottery Ticket was from social services.
My best guess... Yup.
Hail, Hail!!!
True. So, who is the real owner of that winning ticket? Good point.
I don't mind her winning the lottery... but, once she won, her public assistance should cease and go to someone who is truely struggling in this tough economy.
Leastwise, til she spends all of her winnings and ends up on the streets... again.
Hail, Hail!!!
Not really. If someone gives you a dollar, it's yours and so is anything you buy with it. If her dollar came from social assistance, she is the real owner of the ticket. Otherwise, anything anyone bought with social assistance would belong to the state - food, clothing, toilet paper... it doesn't work that way. Both law and logic clarify this fact. I think suggesting that because someone spent a buck of their welfare cheque on a lottery ticket perhaps the lottery winnings aren't theirs is kind of creepy (no offense)... It's just that it's this kind of thinking that continues to place an unfair negative stigma on all welfare recipients (the great majority of whom are in real need). It adds to the degradation of the sense of community and charity and empathy for our fellow citizens.
(to clarify, I'm not, never have been and, the way things are going (fingers crossed!), never will be on welfare, in case anyone was thinking I'm biased in any way!).
Yeah, I know, I get it. I shoulda added a smiley.
But dude, seriously, your response goes a bit far. Creepy? Really? How so?
Oh, well never mind then.
I found 1996 data that shows 46.5% are on welfare > 2 years, with about 20% of those being on welfare > 5 years.
That 20% is the group that we should be focusing on, finding out why, and changing the system to move them up the chart.
Maybe we can use the lottery winnings to fund the research?
I think everyone here can agree that what this lady did was ridiculous and her reasoning behind it appalling, no?
Ah, ok, thanks for clarifying. It did make sense to me before.
Of course... for some reason when I saw what she did for some reason the first thing that popped into my head was Octomom, so that kind of tells me how I feel about it!
what do you mean? a second house and new car are expensive...she isn't working...you cannot expect her to spend her own money on food now that she owns two houses...
but as the mom said...it is no one's business if she didn't do anything illegal :shock:
I am rushing to judgement here...but it seems to me this young lottery winner may have never had a chance
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
this mindset is not ignorance though it is one of entitlement
An overblown sense of entitlement is, I think, the main identifying factor of this woman's generation.
I agree. Her argument that she thought it was OK because nobody told her it wasn't doesn't do anything to help make her look any better. She basically is saying that she doesn't have any way of making any types of moral choices on her own so it's not her fault. She's entitled to things but responsible for nothing. It must be a nice way to live.
Like pandora said - "take, take, take" (I too am a JW fan)
I just can't imagine a life like that - no independence, common sense, or accountability.
aid or even if they did wouldn't try for it.
I received a pic yesterday ironic as this subject we are speaking on...
it was from a young person who works hard, through school, both full time.
these folks paid with their welfare card ....
"I spent half of my money for the week on two bags of groceries... I'm so glad my tax money could help them get two buggies full! notice the big bucket of cheese puffs on the bottom of there cart lol WHAT A NECESSITY!"
I won't post the pic of course but the buggies were busting!
the point really is that hard working people young and old are feeling scammed
and taken advantage of.
They buy very carefully because they can not afford what they could one year ago.
They work and have nothing left.
There is not a time that I go to the store that someone is not paying with aid ...
this in a middle to upperclass area ...
what have we done to our country?
I best not mention about the lottery winner someone will blow a gasket :shock: