Obama: Iran Is Guilty, "we have direct evidence"

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  • Thorns2010
    Thorns2010 Posts: 2,201
    Counting bodies like sheep
    To the rhythm of the war drums
  • Good thing Obama has brought change. He's nothing like W.
    I knew it all along, see?
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,759
    WAR PIGS by The Mighty SABBATH!!!!!


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  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    Accused Iran plotter in US lacks cunning, friends say (some background info on him)

    CORPUS CHRISTI, Texas (Reuters) - An Iranian-born Texas man accused of an elaborate plot to kill the Saudi ambassador in Washington was a heavy drinker and flighty businessman who did not fit the profile of a cunning agent, according to people who knew him well.

    They say they are stunned by the charges against him."Everybody was like, 'What, Jack?'" said Mitchel Hamauei, a friend who runs a Corpus Christi Mediterranean market and deli that Manssor "Jack" Arbabsiar frequented.

    Friends describe Arbabsiar as irresponsible yet well meaning, as prone to give cash to anyone who needs it as he is to hide in an apartment when creditors knock.

    They say he is chatty, not secretive. People who know him say he has a habit of starting projects that do not last, from flunking out of a Texas college to launching used-car dealerships, a Greek restaurant and other ventures that either failed or were sold.

    He got his nickname from his penchant for swigging Jack Daniels whiskey, friends said."No way was this guy the master of this plot," said former roommate Tom Hosseini, who has known Arbabsiar for 30 years. "Iran has 75 million people, and they cannot find a better guy to make a plot like this?"...cont

    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUST ... 4?irpc=932
  • In times like these, when the sanity of the world seems to hang by mere threads, it would be prudent for all people -- of all creeds, colors, faiths, cultures, and nationalities -- to allow themselves the basic right of introspection. How can we further justify destroying one another? Each other's wives and husbands, children, parents? Each other's friends?

    If bullets and bombs become the only currency we know that may bring us peace, then I fear that we, the members of the human race, truly have no idea what peace is.
    I knew it all along, see?
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,401
    In times like these, when the sanity of the world seems to hang by mere threads, it would be prudent for all people -- of all creeds, colors, faiths, cultures, and nationalities -- to allow themselves the basic right of introspection. How can we further justify destroying one another? Each other's wives and husbands, children, parents? Each other's friends?

    If bullets and bombs become the only currency we know that may bring us peace, then I fear that we, the members of the human race, truly have no idea what peace is.
    well stated!

    :clap:
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oc ... NTCMP=SRCH

    Unanswered questions over the alleged Iranian assassination plot

    The alleged plot to kill the Saudi ambassador to the US does not fit with what is known about the supposed perpetrators

    Julian Borger
    The Guardian, Thursday 13 October 2011



    It has the ring of a far-fetched Hollywood thriller and even the senior law enforcement official involved in the investigation admitted to journalists that the alleged plot to kill the Saudi ambassador to the US did not fit with what was known about the methods and practices of the supposed perpetrators, the Quds force of the Revolutionary Guards. But $100,000 was clearly transferred by someone as a downpayment on the assassination. Washington is taking the case seriously enough to make unprecedented allegations against Tehran and threaten further isolation. The affair leaves several questions unanswered:

    1

    It appears very unlikely that Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, would approve such a brazen plot with such unpredictable consequences, in effect going to war with Iran's three greatest enemies – Saudi Arabia, the US and Israel – at the same time. The watchwords of Khamenei's 23-year tenure have been caution and regime stability. He has attempted, not always successfully, to calibrate the nuclear programme to avoid uniting the UN security council against Iran, while pushing on steadily. Iran, under his guidance, has worked very hard to mitigate the international impact of sanctions and is sensitive to its standing in the Islamic world. Things are generally going well for Tehran in the triangular relationship with the US and Saudi, as Washington and Riyadh had fallen out badly over the Arab spring and Palestinian recognition. Why would Khamenei and his regime risk all this on such a bizarre plot?

    2

    Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, right, is also a problematic suspect. The president has little influence on the Quds force and is currently on what passes in Tehran for a charm offensive, releasing two US hikers after two years in custody and proposing a new uranium deal last month. Ahmadinejad is in a tense standoff with Khamenei and in the past has backed a limited accommodation with the west. Would he risk his own precarious position to back a plot and would he have the power to orchestrate such a venture without the supreme leader's knowledge and approval?

    3

    The Quds force has previously gone to great lengths to ensure its fingerprints are not found on attacks abroad. It almost always operates through trusted proxies such as Hezbollah and Iraqi Shia militias which the Revolutionary Guards have trained in most cases. Despite years of investigations, there is suspicion but no proof of Iranian involvement in the 1983 bombing of the US embassy in Beirut and the 1996 attack on the Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia. In this latest alleged plot, the Quds force was purported to be working with a Mexican drugs cartel, the Zetas, with an Iranian-American used-car salesman as middleman (the plot was said to be codenamed Chevrolet). The link was made because the car salesman, Mansour Arbabsiar, was allegedly a cousin of a "big general" in the Quds force and a friend of the aunt of a Texas "associate" of the Zetas. Arbabsiar revealed the Iranian nature of the plot to this man, who turned out to be a US government informant. Why would the Quds force now throw its professionalism and caution to the wind?

    4

    The key evidence that the alleged plot was serious was the $100,000 wire transfer. It came from a foreign bank account, but that cannot be an Iranian account because such transfers are impossible under US law. The money must have come from a third country, but which? And how can the US authorities be so sure the foreign accounts were under the control of the Quds force?

    5

    Arbabsiar boasted that his cousin, who is said to have instigated the plot, "worked for [the] government [of Iran] but he's working outside. He's working like … like [a named non-Iranian intelligence agency]". Arbabsiar's absent co-defendant, Golam Shakuri, was allegedly a Quds colonel working for the cousin. Who is this cousin and how sure are the US authorities that he is a senior member of the Quds force?
    6

    Arbabsiar was told by his cousin and another high- ranking member of the Quds force that the head of the force, presumably Qassem Suleimani, approved of the plot and would eventually meet Arbabsiar. But is there any proof that he was involved?

    7

    Could the alleged conspiracy be the work of an extremist cell within the Quds force? In that case, the unit is far more fragmented than previously thought and we should shortly see top people in the organisation disappearing from view. There is a precedent for such a cell: in 1999 the deputy minister of intelligence, Saeed Emami, was arrested and accused of carrying out a series of murders of intellectuals, known as the chain murders, without official authority. He was also reported to have tried smuggling missiles to Brussels to attack Nato. Emami was reported to have killed himself in prison.

    8

    Could the alleged plot be provocation by an outside agency seeking to start a conflict between Iran and its enemies? In that case, Arbabsiar is consciously misleading his interrogators or is being used by his cousin and his associates, who are working for this third party. If that was the case, how did Arbabsiar correctly identify a senior Quds officer whose identity is not widely known?
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    All the more reason Dems must switch to vote GOP in the primary and cast that vote for the ONLY anti-war candidate, Dr. Ron Paul.
  • unsung wrote:
    All the more reason Dems must switch to vote GOP in the primary and cast that vote for the ONLY anti-war candidate, Dr. Ron Paul.
    :thumbup:
    If you are a progressive whose main issue is ending our imperial wars, then you now finally have a candidate you can get behind and support. Paul is the only logical choice for anti war voters.
  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    This if from a declassified false-flag proposal from 1962. The CIA wanted to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington."

    It was called 'Operation Northwoods'...It's proposals also included hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. The plan was shelved by JFK, but manifested itself in other way's.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
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  • so its obama or Mitt Romney...

    No offence to people on this forum. But I kind start to not care anymore.. hopeless americans voting for Romney.. then you put urself in this situation?

    let me ask, do any youngsters also vote for Romney? or just old people? if you are young and do follow other media then the main stream but still voting for Romney or Obama then there is no hope.
    ~ Enjoy The Struggle
  • http://www.progressive.org/israel-and-t ... ca-for-war

    http://www.progressive.org/bombing_iran_not_answer.html


    “It will kill many innocent Iranians, who, for the most part, are against Iran’s political ambitions in the Middle East.” I totally agree with this and this is what Im getting from its people Ive heard from.