Obama: Iran Is Guilty, "we have direct evidence"
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President Obama speaking about the Iranian Plot, live right now.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Ron Paul, "we need to talk and trade with Iran".
Mainstream Media, "Ron Paul is an isolationist."
US urges global action against Iran
The United States urged the world to take collective action against Iran on Wednesday, with Hillary Clinton labelling an alleged plot to kill a Saudi ambassador on US soil a "dangerous escalation".
Iran said that the idea it schemed to kill Saudi Arabia's Washington envoy was deluded and accused the United States of fabricating the charge to distract from its domestic economic woes, amid growing anti-Wall Street protests.
http://m.yahoo.com/w/news_europe/us-bus ... lang=en-gb
Looking at the current details, and using history as our guide. This latest plot sounds like a false flag operation.
Some history between the US and Iran,
Pbs clip from 1987
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtgoxuVP ... ata_player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUQnVCZn ... ata_player
Noam chompsky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHbecRQL ... ata_player
pay no attention to the man behind the screen.
you know a country that is not strong within, is not strong on the outside and will never be until it addresses its internal woes and builds its strength.. and im talking about real strength. obfuscation is not strength and it is not truth.. it is weakness and always will be.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
really, why is THIS GUY a target? wouldn't it be easier for them to go next door and kill evoys or ambassadors that are over in saudi arabia?
this has all the makings of a tom clancy book...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
So, you're ok with Iran playing the Sharon Stone defense from Basic Instinct?
I'm not ready to believe 100% but I'm certainly not willing to discount it immediately either. Both would be really stupid to do.
Nevertheless, like we said, history really is a great guide, and history shows us that we should be very wary right now with regards to what the ones in power say.
I felt the need because of what I read on here tells me the obvious isn't usually that obvious.
what is past is prologue.
the way this looks to me, this is a modern gulf of tonken...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Whether or not Iran’s leadership knew about the alleged plot to assassinate a Saudi ambassador in Washington, they should be held accountable in any event, President Obama insisted on Thursday.
Skeptical backlash from Iran experts on the US government’s official narrative of the plot has led Obama to justify punishing Iran, even if the doubters are right and the Iranian government had no knowledge of it. ”Even if at the highest levels there was not detailed operational knowledge, there has to be accountability with respect to anybody in the Iranian government engaging in this kind of activity,” he said.
Obama said that, in terms of a response to the alleged plot, “we don’t take any options off the table,” which is a government euphemism for considerations of military attack.
The Obama administration has vowed to “unite the world” against Iran in the wake of the implausible assassination plot, sending a secret cable to all American embassies and consulates around the world ordering them to alert their host governments of the Iranian plot.
Vice President Joe Biden insisted it was “critically important” to convince the rest of the world of the importance of “dealing with the Iranians,” while several members of Congress and many in the media called the plot “an act of war,” which demands a response.
The goal is “making sure that they pay a price,” Obama said.
Meanwhile, evidence of the Iranian leadership’s complicity is lacking and many officials have admitted there are gaps in their understanding of the plot. There is no solid information about “exactly how high it goes,” as one official put it.
At best, all signs point to a rogue element in the Iranian Quds Force, given the information the government has so far made available. US officials admit it was very out of character for the Quds Force, known for their caution and finesse. “The Iranian modus operandi is only to trust sensitive plots to their own employees, or to trusted proxies,” wrote Kenneth Katzman of the Congressional Research Service on Gulf2000 on Wednesday.
The accused perpetrator, Manssor Arbabsiar, and a Mexican drug gang don’t fit that protocol. “Are we to believe that this Texas car seller was a Qods sleeper agent for many years resident in the US? Ridiculous,” said Mr. Katzman. “They never ever use such has-beens or loosely connected people for sensitive plots such as this.”
Former CIA agent Robert Baer said the culpability of the Iranian leadership is not believable. “I don’t think it’s credible, not the central government, there may be a rogue element behind it,” Baer said in an interview. “They wouldn’t be sending money through an American bank, they wouldn’t be going to the cartels in Mexico to do this. It’s just not the way they work.”....
(interesting article)
http://news.antiwar.com/2011/10/13/obam ... iran-plot/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_iBf7sB ... ata_player
Ron Paul in the 80's, speaking about the CIA, Iran, etc...
Tehran would have to be terminally foolish to try to snuff out an ambassador on US soil, author says.
No one ever lost money betting on the dull predictability of the US government. Just as Occupy Wall Street is firing imaginations all across the spectrum - piercing the noxious revolving door between government and casino capitalism - Washington brought us all down to earth, sensationally advertising an Iranian cum Mexican cartel terror plot straight out of The Fast and the Furious movie franchise. The potential victim: Adel al-Jubeir, the ambassador in the US of that lovely counter-revolutionary Mecca, Saudi Arabia.
FBI Director Robert Mueller insisted the Iran-masterminded terror plot "reads like the pages of a Hollywood script". It does. And quite a sloppy script at that. Fast and Furious duo Paul Walker/Vin Diesel wouldn't be caught dead near it.
The good guys in this Washington production are the FBI and the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA). In the words of Attorney General Eric Holder, they uncovered "a deadly plot directed by factions of the Iranian government to assassinate a foreign Ambassador on US soil with explosives".
Holder added that the bombing of the Saudi embassy in Washington was also part of the plan. Subsequent spinning amplified that to planned bombings of the Israeli embassy in Washington, as well as the Saudi and Israeli embassies in Buenos Aires.
The Justice Department has peddled quite a murky story - Operation Red Coalition (no, you can’t make that stuff up) - centred on one Manssor Arbabsiar, a 56-year-old holding both Iranian and US passports and an Iran-based co-conspirator, Gholam Shakuri, an alleged member of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps's (IRGC) Quds Force.
Arbabsiar allegedly had a series of encounters in Mexico with a DEA mole posing as a Mexican drug cartel heavy weight. The Iranian-American seems to have been convinced that the mole was a member of the hardcore Zetas Mexican cartel, and reportedly bragged he was being "directed by high-ranking members of the Iranian government", including a cousin who was "a member of the Iranian army but did not wear a uniform".
On top of it, he told the DEA mole that his Iranian government buddies could come up with "tons of opium" for the Mexican cartel (an Afghan connection, perhaps). Then they discussed a "number of violent missions" complete with Arbabsiar bragging about bombing a packed Washington restaurant used by the Saudi ambassador.
Holder characterised the whole thing as a $1.5m "murder-for-hire" plan. Arbabsiar was arrested only a few days ago, on September 29, at JFK airport in New York. He allegedly confessed, according to the Justice Department. Shakuri for his part is still at large.
Holder was adamant: "The United States is committed to hold Iran accountable for its actions." Yet he stopped short of stating the plot was approved by the highest levels of the Iranian government. So what next? War? Hold your horses; Washington should first think about asking the Chinese if they’re willing to foot the bill (the answer will be no).
Predictably, the proverbial torrent of US "officials" came out with guns blazing, spinning everything in sight. An alarmed Pentagon will be increasing surveillance over the Quds Force and "Iran’s actions" in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Persian Gulf. Former US ambassadors stated that, "it's an attack on the United States to attack this ambassador". Washington is about to impose even more sanctions against Iran; and Washington is urgently taking the matter to the UN Security Council.
What next? An R2P ("responsibility to protect") resolution ordering NATO to protect every House of Saud minion across the world by bombing Iran into regime change?
Ali Akbar Javanfekr, a spokesman for Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, at least introduced a little bit of common sense. "I think the US government is busy fabricating a new scenario and history has shown both the US government and the CIA have a lot of experience in fabricating these scenarios ... I think their goal is to reach the American public. They want to take the public's mind off the serious domestic problems they're facing these days and scare them with fabricated problems outside the country." Iran has not even established yet that these two characters are actually Iranian citizens.
The Iranian government - which prides itself on a logical approach to diplomacy - would have to have been inoculated with a terminal Stuxnet-style foolishness virus to behave in such a counterproductive manner, by targeting a high-profile foreign policy adviser to King Abdullah on American soil. The official Iranian news agency IRNA described the plot as "America's new propaganda scenario" against Iran.
As for the Washington mantra that "Iran has been insinuating itself into many of the struggles in the Middle East", that's undiluted Saudi propaganda. In fact it's the House of Saud who's been conducting the fierce counter-revolution that has smashed any possibility of an Arab Spring in the Persian Gulf - from the invasion and repression of Bahrain to the rash pre-emption of protests inside Saudi Arabia's Shia-dominated eastern provinces.
The whole thing smells like a flimsy pretext for a casus belli. The timing of the announcement couldn't be more suspicious. White House national security advisor Thomas E. Donilon briefed King Abdullah of the plot no less than two weeks ago, in a three-hour meeting in Riyadh. Meanwhile the US government has been carrying not plots, but targeted assassinations of US citizens, as in the Anwar al-Awlaki case.
So why now? Holder is caught in yet another scandal - on whether he told lies regarding Operation Fast and Furious (no, you can't make this stuff up), a federal gun sting through which scores of US weapons ended up in the hands of - here they come again - Mexican drug cartels.
So how to bury Fast and Furious, the economic abyss, the 10 years of war in Afghanistan, the increasing allure of Occupy Wall Street - not to mention the Saudi role in smashing the spirit of the Arab Spring? By uncovering a good ol' al-Qaeda style plot on US soil, on top of it conducted by "evil" Iran. Al-Qaeda and Tehran sharing top billing; not even Cheney and Rumsfeld in their heyday could come up with something like this. Long live GWOT (the global war on terror). And long live the neo-con spirit; remember, real men go to Tehran - and the road starts now.
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/op ... 73693.html
'Former head of the CIA’s bin Laden Unit, Michael Scheue' (interview)
http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2011/10/14/ ... it-israel/
Obfuscated code with humans, turning us into machines.
Yea I agree, Of course its not real strength, but the perception, the illusion of the power is very real, like our money, its just paper. If it all crumbles tomorrow,the banks, the system, it won't matter how much money we have, it will do us no good, rather the tools we have aquired, what we can build, not destroy, what we can teach etc...
Let's look at this, America has secret bases, torture, supports the most corrupt of goverments and leaders. Preaches the rule of law then practices the violations of these same laws.
Even if Iran is behind this plot, this joke of a script that not even hollywood would touch..Then what, the US screams "more sanctions!" "war", what will the US do, go to the same UN it ignores when the tables are turned.
Iran is the "most significant" threat to world peace and security, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Friday after the US accused Tehran of plotting to kill the Saudi ambassador to Washington.
"We have no quarrel with the Iranian people, but the regime in Tehran represents probably the most significant threat in the world to global peace and security," Harper said.This week, Canada's Foreign Minister John Baird said Ottawa and its partners were considering "consequences" for Iran over the alleged plot.
http://m.yahoo.com/w/news_america/iran- ... lang=en-ca
WAR DRUMS anymone??
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7YpCzJYaiU
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
To the rhythm of the war drums
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
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memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
CORPUS CHRISTI, Texas (Reuters) - An Iranian-born Texas man accused of an elaborate plot to kill the Saudi ambassador in Washington was a heavy drinker and flighty businessman who did not fit the profile of a cunning agent, according to people who knew him well.
They say they are stunned by the charges against him."Everybody was like, 'What, Jack?'" said Mitchel Hamauei, a friend who runs a Corpus Christi Mediterranean market and deli that Manssor "Jack" Arbabsiar frequented.
Friends describe Arbabsiar as irresponsible yet well meaning, as prone to give cash to anyone who needs it as he is to hide in an apartment when creditors knock.
They say he is chatty, not secretive. People who know him say he has a habit of starting projects that do not last, from flunking out of a Texas college to launching used-car dealerships, a Greek restaurant and other ventures that either failed or were sold.
He got his nickname from his penchant for swigging Jack Daniels whiskey, friends said."No way was this guy the master of this plot," said former roommate Tom Hosseini, who has known Arbabsiar for 30 years. "Iran has 75 million people, and they cannot find a better guy to make a plot like this?"...cont
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUST ... 4?irpc=932
If bullets and bombs become the only currency we know that may bring us peace, then I fear that we, the members of the human race, truly have no idea what peace is.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Unanswered questions over the alleged Iranian assassination plot
The alleged plot to kill the Saudi ambassador to the US does not fit with what is known about the supposed perpetrators
Julian Borger
The Guardian, Thursday 13 October 2011
It has the ring of a far-fetched Hollywood thriller and even the senior law enforcement official involved in the investigation admitted to journalists that the alleged plot to kill the Saudi ambassador to the US did not fit with what was known about the methods and practices of the supposed perpetrators, the Quds force of the Revolutionary Guards. But $100,000 was clearly transferred by someone as a downpayment on the assassination. Washington is taking the case seriously enough to make unprecedented allegations against Tehran and threaten further isolation. The affair leaves several questions unanswered:
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It appears very unlikely that Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, would approve such a brazen plot with such unpredictable consequences, in effect going to war with Iran's three greatest enemies – Saudi Arabia, the US and Israel – at the same time. The watchwords of Khamenei's 23-year tenure have been caution and regime stability. He has attempted, not always successfully, to calibrate the nuclear programme to avoid uniting the UN security council against Iran, while pushing on steadily. Iran, under his guidance, has worked very hard to mitigate the international impact of sanctions and is sensitive to its standing in the Islamic world. Things are generally going well for Tehran in the triangular relationship with the US and Saudi, as Washington and Riyadh had fallen out badly over the Arab spring and Palestinian recognition. Why would Khamenei and his regime risk all this on such a bizarre plot?
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, right, is also a problematic suspect. The president has little influence on the Quds force and is currently on what passes in Tehran for a charm offensive, releasing two US hikers after two years in custody and proposing a new uranium deal last month. Ahmadinejad is in a tense standoff with Khamenei and in the past has backed a limited accommodation with the west. Would he risk his own precarious position to back a plot and would he have the power to orchestrate such a venture without the supreme leader's knowledge and approval?
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The Quds force has previously gone to great lengths to ensure its fingerprints are not found on attacks abroad. It almost always operates through trusted proxies such as Hezbollah and Iraqi Shia militias which the Revolutionary Guards have trained in most cases. Despite years of investigations, there is suspicion but no proof of Iranian involvement in the 1983 bombing of the US embassy in Beirut and the 1996 attack on the Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia. In this latest alleged plot, the Quds force was purported to be working with a Mexican drugs cartel, the Zetas, with an Iranian-American used-car salesman as middleman (the plot was said to be codenamed Chevrolet). The link was made because the car salesman, Mansour Arbabsiar, was allegedly a cousin of a "big general" in the Quds force and a friend of the aunt of a Texas "associate" of the Zetas. Arbabsiar revealed the Iranian nature of the plot to this man, who turned out to be a US government informant. Why would the Quds force now throw its professionalism and caution to the wind?
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The key evidence that the alleged plot was serious was the $100,000 wire transfer. It came from a foreign bank account, but that cannot be an Iranian account because such transfers are impossible under US law. The money must have come from a third country, but which? And how can the US authorities be so sure the foreign accounts were under the control of the Quds force?
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Arbabsiar boasted that his cousin, who is said to have instigated the plot, "worked for [the] government [of Iran] but he's working outside. He's working like … like [a named non-Iranian intelligence agency]". Arbabsiar's absent co-defendant, Golam Shakuri, was allegedly a Quds colonel working for the cousin. Who is this cousin and how sure are the US authorities that he is a senior member of the Quds force?
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Arbabsiar was told by his cousin and another high- ranking member of the Quds force that the head of the force, presumably Qassem Suleimani, approved of the plot and would eventually meet Arbabsiar. But is there any proof that he was involved?
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Could the alleged conspiracy be the work of an extremist cell within the Quds force? In that case, the unit is far more fragmented than previously thought and we should shortly see top people in the organisation disappearing from view. There is a precedent for such a cell: in 1999 the deputy minister of intelligence, Saeed Emami, was arrested and accused of carrying out a series of murders of intellectuals, known as the chain murders, without official authority. He was also reported to have tried smuggling missiles to Brussels to attack Nato. Emami was reported to have killed himself in prison.
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Could the alleged plot be provocation by an outside agency seeking to start a conflict between Iran and its enemies? In that case, Arbabsiar is consciously misleading his interrogators or is being used by his cousin and his associates, who are working for this third party. If that was the case, how did Arbabsiar correctly identify a senior Quds officer whose identity is not widely known?
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