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  • bigdvs
    bigdvs Posts: 235
    Spain: A Precursor of Our Future Under Obama

    I recently had a chance to interview Gabriel Calzada, an economics professor from Spain, whose pioneering work on the interplay between green energy subsides and job creation has been widely cited. His conclusion, backed up by data and facts not blind hope, is that 2.2 jobs are lost for each one "created" by government promotion of green energy jobs. Money is taken from productive parts of the economy and channeled for political purposes into wasteful green energy projects. The damage is compounded by the very high energy prices that come from the "free" energy of the sun and wind. His work is especially relevant because Obama has praised Spain no fewer than eight times as a role model for a green economy.

    So how sunny are the prospects for Spain?

    Gianluca Baratti of Bloomberg News writes in "Job Losses from Obama Green Stimulus Foreseen in Spanish Study":

    Subsidizing renewable energy in the U.S. may destroy two jobs for every one created if Spain's experience with windmills and solar farms is any guide.

    For every new position that depends on energy price supports, at least 2.2 jobs in other industries will disappear, according to a study from King Juan Carlos University in Madrid...

    The premiums paid for solar, biomass, wave and wind power - - which are charged to consumers in their bills -- translated into a $774,000 cost for each Spanish "green job" created since 2000, said Gabriel Calzada, an economics professor at the university and author of the report.

    "The loss of jobs could be greater if you account for the amount of lost industry that moves out of the country due to higher energy prices," he said in an interview.



    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/09/ ... z1kIepBedx
    "The really important thing is not to live, but to live well. And to live well meant, along with more enjoyable things in life, to live according to your principles."
    — Socrates

  • SweetChildofMine
    SweetChildofMine Posts: 842
    So proposing more nuclear power plant damage as well as damge from the oil industry is the answer?



    http://zeenews.india.com/news/technolog ... 54072.html

    A story of another nuclear reactor ready to go critical within the next year.

    Besides that how many more pipeline disasters do we need to have all over the planet?

    http://climateandcapitalism.com/?p=641

    So tell me, what is the critical answer? Ecocide or investing a better future? Id like to know about your skepticism that it cant be done. The technology is more than adaquate for us to begin using alternative energies. Reducing greed and red tape would be a bonus.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,844
    bigdvs wrote:



    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com
    Here's what I said in December about americanthinker.com:

    "...American Thinker, a conservative online magazine that would love for you to believe that global warming is not true. The corporations that support American Thinker would love that as well."

    I'm not surprised americanthinker wants you to believe that "renewable energy in the U.S. may destroy two jobs for every one created".

    I've also said this before- on a planet whose climate has changed such that it becomes inhospitable to human beings, there will not be such a things a "jobs". We are changing the climate toward that end.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • MayDay Malone
    MayDay Malone Posts: 641
    EZ1221C wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    All I can do is heave a big sigh. The term "world wide suicide" comes to mind. Maybe we humans have this innate belief that we should destroy ourselves so the planet can go back to doing what it does best- go through its natural cycles without any interference from a mammal who's brain got too big for its own good. If you believe this, which generation do you want to have to suffer through being the last? Your kid's? Your grand kid's? Probably won't be ours, right, so we may as well pump all the oil we can and put as much CO2 into the atmosphere a we can and party all we want to because it won't be our problem. I'm going away now. Time to do something constructive. Sorry for my little tantrum. It's just the normal noise in my head- don't be bothered, by it.... :(

    Edit: p.s. Sorry, Godfather. I truly believe you do not want your kids or grand kids to suffer and I believe you are a good, caring person. I just don't get your stance on this pipeline.
    seriously. take the money that would be spent on the pipeline and invest it in solar panels or wind turbines. but that won't happen because the oil lobbyists won't let it happen.


    Solyndra.

    I see sheeple...
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,844
    MayDay Malone wrote:
    EZ1221C wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    All I can do is heave a big sigh. The term "world wide suicide" comes to mind. Maybe we humans have this innate belief that we should destroy ourselves so the planet can go back to doing what it does best- go through its natural cycles without any interference from a mammal who's brain got too big for its own good. If you believe this, which generation do you want to have to suffer through being the last? Your kid's? Your grand kid's? Probably won't be ours, right, so we may as well pump all the oil we can and put as much CO2 into the atmosphere a we can and party all we want to because it won't be our problem. I'm going away now. Time to do something constructive. Sorry for my little tantrum. It's just the normal noise in my head- don't be bothered, by it.... :(

    Edit: p.s. Sorry, Godfather. I truly believe you do not want your kids or grand kids to suffer and I believe you are a good, caring person. I just don't get your stance on this pipeline.
    seriously. take the money that would be spent on the pipeline and invest it in solar panels or wind turbines. but that won't happen because the oil lobbyists won't let it happen.


    Solyndra.

    I see sheeple...
    Solyndra is gone. Let's look at ways to make clean energy work. Learn form past failures rather than throw a good idea away because one company may have screwed up. That doesn't make green technology a bad idea. Pumping yet more CO2 into atmosphere- now that is a bad idea.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    Here's a good bit of $$$ being spent in some interesting places:

    http://arpa-e.energy.gov/media/news/tab ... fault.aspx

    Solyndra was bad, but there's a lot of good stuff happening. Slow, but steady.
    Pick up my debut novel here on amazon: Jonny Bails Floatin (in paperback) (also available on Kindle for $2.99)
  • MayDay Malone
    MayDay Malone Posts: 641
    Ur right. Solyndra is gone. So is $500 MILLION.

    Solyndra failed because:

    1. Demand for solar panels is DOWN. (nobody uses it beyond the minimum required to qualify for the big Obama-corporate tax holiday- see GE)

    2. China makes them CHEAPER. (like everything else since the Clinton's opened free-trade with their communist bank-rollers- so green jobs WILL NEVER exist in th US in a marketedly measurable way- EVER.)

    If green energy worked, it would be working.


    waste of money, IMO. But as long as its not your money, why not throw it away?
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    MayDay Malone wrote:
    If green energy worked, it would be working.


    waste of money, IMO. But as long as its not your money, why not throw it away?

    Waste of Money? Are you talking about all of green energy, or just solar?

    "The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) projects that renewable-generated electricity will account for 17% of total U.S. electricity generation in 2035, up from 9% in 2008.6 This growth is driven mainly by the extension of Federal tax credits and the new loan guarantee program in the February 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA).
    From a global perspective, EIA projects that renewable energy will be the fastest-growing source of electricity generation through the forecast period to 2035.7 Much of the increase is expected to be from hydroelectric power and wind power."

    Wind-generated electricity increased by 61% between 2007 and 2008 and by 28% between 2008 and 2009, more than any other renewable source of generation in both years. These increases were due primarily to newly-constructed wind power plants.

    http://www.eia.gov/energy_in_brief/renewable_energy.cfm

    Solar is one of the weakest in the US, but i've been hearing about interesting developments. ITs only a matter of time before it gets cheaper and more efficient.

    Green Energy IS working. Its slow, but its working.
    Pick up my debut novel here on amazon: Jonny Bails Floatin (in paperback) (also available on Kindle for $2.99)
  • SweetChildofMine
    SweetChildofMine Posts: 842
    edited January 2012
    Sorry, I hate being at the bottom of a page, where it usually doesnt get read.
    Post edited by SweetChildofMine on
  • even flow - question mark
    even flow - question mark Posts: 1,568
    Green won't take off in the US because WMD don't fly on solar power. Plain and simple.

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

  • SweetChildofMine
    SweetChildofMine Posts: 842
    :lol:

    I dont know what else to say. Its a matter of pushing a wanted public policy majority of people are interested in. Hell its okay, we can sit in this septic tank called Earth then for many generations & my future generations will look like the Oblongs, no big deal.

    Wait, as long as we dont blow ourselves up first.

    http://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiec ... gsub=98184
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,844
    MayDay Malone wrote:
    Ur right. Solyndra is gone. So is $500 MILLION.

    Solyndra failed because:

    1. Demand for solar panels is DOWN. (nobody uses it beyond the minimum required to qualify for the big Obama-corporate tax holiday- see GE)

    2. China makes them CHEAPER. (like everything else since the Clinton's opened free-trade with their communist bank-rollers- so green jobs WILL NEVER exist in th US in a marketedly measurable way- EVER.)

    If green energy worked, it would be working.


    waste of money, IMO. But as long as its not your money, why not throw it away?
    I'm not into wasting anyone's time or money and actually, some of the money and time that goes into developing positive solutions to a better future is my time and money because I physically and financially support green efforts when ever I can with my time and money. 10% of a little is not a lot, but it's what I give.

    Speaking of solar, here is something that seems to be working:

    posting.php?mode=quote&f=13&p=4205607
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • SweetChildofMine
    SweetChildofMine Posts: 842
    5 Myths About the Solyndra Collapse

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezr ... _blog.html

    Great Article from Ezra Klein.

    "Solyndra’s loan process was initiated by the Bush administration and that many key investors were Republicans."

    So who ran off with $$$ and screwed us yet again? hmmmmmmmm.... read it and weep.


    "the United States still exported $1.9 billion of solar products last year and actually has a trade surplus in solar with China."

    OMFG we have a trade surplus with China!!!!!!!! thats awful to our economy....


    pfft.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,844
    SweetChildofMine wrote:
    5 Myths About the Solyndra Collapse

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezr ... _blog.html

    Great Article from Ezra Klein.
    I get "We're unable to locate the page you requested." Do you have another link? Sounds like an interesting article worth reading!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • MayDay Malone
    MayDay Malone Posts: 641
    SweetChildofMine wrote:
    5 Myths About the Solyndra Collapse

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezr ... _blog.html

    Great Article from Ezra Klein.

    "Solyndra’s loan process was initiated by the Bush administration and that many key investors were Republicans."

    So who ran off with $$$ and screwed us yet again? hmmmmmmmm.... read it and weep.


    "the United States still exported $1.9 billion of solar products last year and actually has a trade surplus in solar with China."

    OMFG we have a trade surplus with China!!!!!!!! thats awful to our economy....


    pfft.


    Not sure what you are "hmmmmmmmmmmmm"in' about... haha.

    If you read deeper than Ezra Klein (not hard to do) you would probably not be braggin' on what you think is a fact... I'm not trying to embarrass you, just sayin... ah.. nevermind.

    Bush did it. :lol:
  • SweetChildofMine
    SweetChildofMine Posts: 842
    Not convinced the board can read deeper than Ezra Klein. :lol:


    It basic. I guess maybe I shouldn't in a Fox News initiated thread.

    C'mon this isnt the first time that a government loan and program funds misappropriated and a business dissolved. It just happens to be the biggest loan at 500 million suprisingly. Think I was born yesterday?


    (dont answer that)
  • EZ1221C
    EZ1221C Posts: 2,645
    MayDay Malone wrote:
    EZ1221C wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    All I can do is heave a big sigh. The term "world wide suicide" comes to mind. Maybe we humans have this innate belief that we should destroy ourselves so the planet can go back to doing what it does best- go through its natural cycles without any interference from a mammal who's brain got too big for its own good. If you believe this, which generation do you want to have to suffer through being the last? Your kid's? Your grand kid's? Probably won't be ours, right, so we may as well pump all the oil we can and put as much CO2 into the atmosphere a we can and party all we want to because it won't be our problem. I'm going away now. Time to do something constructive. Sorry for my little tantrum. It's just the normal noise in my head- don't be bothered, by it.... :(

    Edit: p.s. Sorry, Godfather. I truly believe you do not want your kids or grand kids to suffer and I believe you are a good, caring person. I just don't get your stance on this pipeline.
    seriously. take the money that would be spent on the pipeline and invest it in solar panels or wind turbines. but that won't happen because the oil lobbyists won't let it happen.


    Solyndra.

    I see sheeple...
    seriously? grow up. Solyndra was mishandled. I get that, don't call me a sheep because I support something like solar energy that has potential to pay for itself within 5 years.
    PLAY THE SOUTH

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