Canadian Oil line to the USA, a must !

Godfather.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01 ... rk-energy/

Obama wants to review this idea more ?...what dipshit ! JUST GET IT GOING ! this will be our ticket to a better economy .

Godfather.

catefrances

dont you got your own oil fields you can exploit??? or is the plan to suck everyones oilfields dry before its decided an alternative needs to be found.... and found quick dammit!!

Jeanwah

Several energy experts who represent the oil and gas industry say the controversial Keystone XL, a 1,700-mile pipeline that would run from Canada to Texas, poses less of a risk to the environment than the estimated 50,000 miles of crude oil pipelines already crisscrossing the U.S., a network they say is safe and efficient.

Really Godfather? You're going to rely on a FoxNews article to accurately represent what's best environmentally for oil lines? And you believe the quote above? You know that FOX is heavily biased against anything environmental don't you??

Godfather.

catefrances wrote:

dont you got your own oil fields you can exploit??? or is the plan to suck everyones oilfields dry before its decided an alternative needs to be found.... and found quick dammit!!

Canada wants to sell us this oil if we don't buy it someone else will, this project could bring jobs and money back into our economy and with as they said the new technology on pipe lines it would be safer than the current oil lines that criss cross the United States...but yes it would be nice if the bird watchers would not block any projects to drill in our own country.

Godfather.

Godfather.

Jeanwah wrote:

Several energy experts who represent the oil and gas industry say the controversial Keystone XL, a 1,700-mile pipeline that would run from Canada to Texas, poses less of a risk to the environment than the estimated 50,000 miles of crude oil pipelines already crisscrossing the U.S., a network they say is safe and efficient.

Really Godfather? You're going to rely on a FoxNews article to accurately represent what's best environmentally for oil lines? And you believe the quote above? You know that FOX is heavily biased against anything environmental don't you??

actually I have been learning about this for a little while now and I don't care if we read it on FOX or RUMPER Room,
we need alt energy for sure but with all the talk and little action we need energy now and this would give our economy a much needed shot in the arm, maybe our government needs to get off its ass and get serious about alturnitive energy sourses insted of stringing us along and playing second fiddle to the enviromentalist.

Godfather.

PermaLogic

I'm pretty sure that the majority of this oil will be sent to a port in texas and ship to other countries.....correct me if I'm wrong.

Break The Sky

I think we should consider stimulating our economy by selling Texas back to Mexico.

PermaLogic

Gulf Coast refiners plan to refine the cheap Canadian crude supplied by the pipeline into diesel and other products for export to Europe and Latin America. Proceeds from these exports are earned tax-free. Much of the fuel refined from the pipeline’s heavy crude oil will never reach U.S. drivers’ tanks.

the Energy Deptartment report on KeystoneXL found that decreasing demand through fuel efficiency is the only way to reduce mid-east oil imports with or without the pipeline.

In 2008, TransCanada’s Presidential Permit application for Keystone XL to the State Department indicated “a peak workforce of approximately 3,500 to 4,200 construction personnel” to build the pipeline. Jobs estimates above those listed in its application draw from a 2011 report commissioned by TransCanada that estimates 20,000 “person-years” of employment based on a non-public forecast model using undisclosed inputs provided by TransCanada. Most Jobs Created Will Be
Temporary and Non-Local

KXL will not be a major source of US jobs, nor will it play any substantial role at
all in putting Americans back to work. Even if the Perryman figures were accurate,
and all of the workers for the next phase of the project were hired immediately, the
US seasonally adjusted unemployment rate would remain at 9.1%—exactly where it
is now.

KXL will divert Tar Sands oil now supplying Midwest refineries, so it can be sold at
higher prices to the Gulf Coast and export markets. As a result, consumers in the
Midwest could be paying 10 to 20 cents more per gallon for gasoline and diesel
fuel. These additional costs (estimated to total $2–4 billion) will suppress other
spending and will therefore cost jobs.

These are just a few excerpts from various studies including one by Cornell University. I'm not claiming to be an expert, but I think you should look a bit further than Fox News, or any news channel for that matter, when taking up a cause. The claims that this is going to revitalize the economy and blah blah blah are all from groups who have direct interest in this project.

zarocat

I worked up in the oil fields of Northern Canada for three years in structural steel building extraction plants. The oil (bitumen) is buried in the sand.
This process of extracting bitumen from the sand takes two barrels of water for every barrel of oil produced. Also, the plants run on just as mush natural gas. The disturbance to the land is unexplainable. Scientists have found fish in rivers up there with extra eyes & other deformities. Believe me when I tell you that this oil sand project is humanities biggest eye sore of the present day. Biggest environmental disturbance going for the plant right now. Communities who are native to the area in Northern Canada and who have never experienced any diseases, sicknesses etc., are now living unhealthy lives due to the pollution generated by these oil plants. It's gross! But every single-fuckin'-thing has oil tied to it... :?

Not sustainable at all.

'fox news'

chadwick

Big Drop wrote:

I think we should consider stimulating our economy by selling Texas back to Mexico.

thank you for this. and new mexico, arizona and nevada...utah?

Godfather.

chadwick wrote:

Big Drop wrote:

I think we should consider stimulating our economy by selling Texas back to Mexico.

thank you for this. and new mexico, arizona and nevada...utah?

what kind of hippie bullshit is that... :? but hay whay not they have the money......
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/18/opinion/s ... ?hpt=hp_c4

Godfather.

Godfather.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2012 ... ters-ease/

brianlux

All I can do is heave a big sigh. The term "world wide suicide" comes to mind. Maybe we humans have this innate belief that we should destroy ourselves so the planet can go back to doing what it does best- go through its natural cycles without any interference from a mammal who's brain got too big for its own good. If you believe this, which generation do you want to have to suffer through being the last? Your kid's? Your grand kid's? Probably won't be ours, right, so we may as well pump all the oil we can and put as much CO2 into the atmosphere a we can and party all we want to because it won't be our problem. I'm going away now. Time to do something constructive. Sorry for my little tantrum. It's just the normal noise in my head- don't be bothered, by it.... :(

Edit: p.s. Sorry, Godfather. I truly believe you do not want your kids or grand kids to suffer and I believe you are a good, caring person. I just don't get your stance on this pipeline.

chadwick

brianlux wrote:

All I can do is heave a big sigh. The term "world wide suicide" comes to mind. Maybe we humans have this innate belief that we should destroy ourselves so the planet can go back to doing what it does best- go through its natural cycles without any interference from a mammal who's brain got too big for its own good. If you believe this, which generation do you want to have to suffer through being the last? Your kid's? Your grand kid's? Probably won't be ours, right, so we may as well pump all the oil we can and put as much CO2 into the atmosphere a we can and party all we want to because it won't be our problem. I'm going away now. Time to do something constructive. Sorry for my little tantrum. It's just the normal noise in my head- don't be bothered, by it.... :(

Edit: p.s. Sorry, Godfather. I truly believe you do not want your kids or grand kids to suffer and I believe you are a good, caring person. I just don't get your stance on this pipeline.

im in the same boat you are, b.lux. oddly enough, godfather doesn't know what the hell he's going on about anyway. he does this quite a bit. the man's ill informed and obviously not an environmentalist.

EZ1221C

brianlux wrote:

All I can do is heave a big sigh. The term "world wide suicide" comes to mind. Maybe we humans have this innate belief that we should destroy ourselves so the planet can go back to doing what it does best- go through its natural cycles without any interference from a mammal who's brain got too big for its own good. If you believe this, which generation do you want to have to suffer through being the last? Your kid's? Your grand kid's? Probably won't be ours, right, so we may as well pump all the oil we can and put as much CO2 into the atmosphere a we can and party all we want to because it won't be our problem. I'm going away now. Time to do something constructive. Sorry for my little tantrum. It's just the normal noise in my head- don't be bothered, by it.... :(

Edit: p.s. Sorry, Godfather. I truly believe you do not want your kids or grand kids to suffer and I believe you are a good, caring person. I just don't get your stance on this pipeline.

seriously. take the money that would be spent on the pipeline and invest it in solar panels or wind turbines. but that won't happen because the oil lobbyists won't let it happen.

he still stands

Godfather. wrote:

Obama wants to review this idea more ?...what dipshit ! JUST GET IT GOING ! this will be our ticket to a better economy .

Godfather.

how so? ... jobs? cheaper fuel?

honest question...

SweetChildofMine

EZ1221C wrote:

brianlux wrote:

All I can do is heave a big sigh. The term "world wide suicide" comes to mind. Maybe we humans have this innate belief that we should destroy ourselves so the planet can go back to doing what it does best- go through its natural cycles without any interference from a mammal who's brain got too big for its own good. If you believe this, which generation do you want to have to suffer through being the last? Your kid's? Your grand kid's? Probably won't be ours, right, so we may as well pump all the oil we can and put as much CO2 into the atmosphere a we can and party all we want to because it won't be our problem. I'm going away now. Time to do something constructive. Sorry for my little tantrum. It's just the normal noise in my head- don't be bothered, by it.... :(

Edit: p.s. Sorry, Godfather. I truly believe you do not want your kids or grand kids to suffer and I believe you are a good, caring person. I just don't get your stance on this pipeline.

seriously. take the money that would be spent on the pipeline and invest it in solar panels or wind turbines. but that won't happen because the oil lobbyists won't let it happen.

I agree. Scotland will be oil free by 2020. So will a lot of other countries if all goes well. We will not even see the $$ from this pipeline put back into our economy, if this is the lie you are sucummbing to. Its not about the money. Its about freeing energy, moving to the alternatives and making the world take a step closer to being sustainable place to live.
http://news.discovery.com/tech/wind-pow ... lades.html here is a story someone just sent.

brianlux

SweetChildofMine wrote:

I agree. Scotland will be oil free by 2020. So will a lot of other countries if all goes well. We will not even see the $$ from this pipeline put back into our economy, if this is the lie you are sucummbing to. Its not about the money. Its about freeing energy, moving to the alternatives and making the world take a step closer to being sustainable place to live.
http://news.discovery.com/tech/wind-pow ... lades.html here is a story someone just sent.

Thank you SweetChildofMine! Great article. Wind stalks look very promising!

Jeanwah

SweetChildofMine wrote:

I agree. Scotland will be oil free by 2020. So will a lot of other countries if all goes well. We will not even see the $$ from this pipeline put back into our economy, if this is the lie you are sucummbing to. Its not about the money. Its about freeing energy, moving to the alternatives and making the world take a step closer to being sustainable place to live.
http://news.discovery.com/tech/wind-pow ... lades.html here is a story someone just sent.

Wow, I haven't seen these 'new' wind stalks! Very cool.

lukin2006

SweetChildofMine wrote:

EZ1221C wrote:

brianlux wrote:

All I can do is heave a big sigh. The term "world wide suicide" comes to mind. Maybe we humans have this innate belief that we should destroy ourselves so the planet can go back to doing what it does best- go through its natural cycles without any interference from a mammal who's brain got too big for its own good. If you believe this, which generation do you want to have to suffer through being the last? Your kid's? Your grand kid's? Probably won't be ours, right, so we may as well pump all the oil we can and put as much CO2 into the atmosphere a we can and party all we want to because it won't be our problem. I'm going away now. Time to do something constructive. Sorry for my little tantrum. It's just the normal noise in my head- don't be bothered, by it.... :(

Edit: p.s. Sorry, Godfather. I truly believe you do not want your kids or grand kids to suffer and I believe you are a good, caring person. I just don't get your stance on this pipeline.

seriously. take the money that would be spent on the pipeline and invest it in solar panels or wind turbines. but that won't happen because the oil lobbyists won't let it happen.

I agree. Scotland will be oil free by 2020. So will a lot of other countries if all goes well. We will not even see the $$ from this pipeline put back into our economy, if this is the lie you are sucummbing to. Its not about the money. Its about freeing energy, moving to the alternatives and making the world take a step closer to being sustainable place to live.
http://news.discovery.com/tech/wind-pow ... lades.html here is a story someone just sent.

Really...oil free in 8 years? I'm quite skeptical. Unless your definition of oil free and mine are different.

SweetChildofMine

That is what they are projecting.

I cant find the original story I read. This is just one of them. Includes red tape, of course.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-1 ... um=twitter

bigdvs

Spain: A Precursor of Our Future Under Obama

I recently had a chance to interview Gabriel Calzada, an economics professor from Spain, whose pioneering work on the interplay between green energy subsides and job creation has been widely cited. His conclusion, backed up by data and facts not blind hope, is that 2.2 jobs are lost for each one "created" by government promotion of green energy jobs. Money is taken from productive parts of the economy and channeled for political purposes into wasteful green energy projects. The damage is compounded by the very high energy prices that come from the "free" energy of the sun and wind. His work is especially relevant because Obama has praised Spain no fewer than eight times as a role model for a green economy.

So how sunny are the prospects for Spain?

Gianluca Baratti of Bloomberg News writes in "Job Losses from Obama Green Stimulus Foreseen in Spanish Study":

Subsidizing renewable energy in the U.S. may destroy two jobs for every one created if Spain's experience with windmills and solar farms is any guide.

For every new position that depends on energy price supports, at least 2.2 jobs in other industries will disappear, according to a study from King Juan Carlos University in Madrid...

The premiums paid for solar, biomass, wave and wind power - - which are charged to consumers in their bills -- translated into a $774,000 cost for each Spanish "green job" created since 2000, said Gabriel Calzada, an economics professor at the university and author of the report.

"The loss of jobs could be greater if you account for the amount of lost industry that moves out of the country due to higher energy prices," he said in an interview.



Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/09/ ... z1kIepBedx

SweetChildofMine

So proposing more nuclear power plant damage as well as damge from the oil industry is the answer?



http://zeenews.india.com/news/technolog ... 54072.html

A story of another nuclear reactor ready to go critical within the next year.

Besides that how many more pipeline disasters do we need to have all over the planet?

http://climateandcapitalism.com/?p=641

So tell me, what is the critical answer? Ecocide or investing a better future? Id like to know about your skepticism that it cant be done. The technology is more than adaquate for us to begin using alternative energies. Reducing greed and red tape would be a bonus.

brianlux

bigdvs wrote:

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com

Here's what I said in December about americanthinker.com:

"...American Thinker, a conservative online magazine that would love for you to believe that global warming is not true. The corporations that support American Thinker would love that as well."

I'm not surprised americanthinker wants you to believe that "renewable energy in the U.S. may destroy two jobs for every one created".

I've also said this before- on a planet whose climate has changed such that it becomes inhospitable to human beings, there will not be such a things a "jobs". We are changing the climate toward that end.

MayDay Malone

EZ1221C wrote:

brianlux wrote:

All I can do is heave a big sigh. The term "world wide suicide" comes to mind. Maybe we humans have this innate belief that we should destroy ourselves so the planet can go back to doing what it does best- go through its natural cycles without any interference from a mammal who's brain got too big for its own good. If you believe this, which generation do you want to have to suffer through being the last? Your kid's? Your grand kid's? Probably won't be ours, right, so we may as well pump all the oil we can and put as much CO2 into the atmosphere a we can and party all we want to because it won't be our problem. I'm going away now. Time to do something constructive. Sorry for my little tantrum. It's just the normal noise in my head- don't be bothered, by it.... :(

Edit: p.s. Sorry, Godfather. I truly believe you do not want your kids or grand kids to suffer and I believe you are a good, caring person. I just don't get your stance on this pipeline.

seriously. take the money that would be spent on the pipeline and invest it in solar panels or wind turbines. but that won't happen because the oil lobbyists won't let it happen.

Solyndra.

I see sheeple...

brianlux

MayDay Malone wrote:

EZ1221C wrote:

brianlux wrote:

All I can do is heave a big sigh. The term "world wide suicide" comes to mind. Maybe we humans have this innate belief that we should destroy ourselves so the planet can go back to doing what it does best- go through its natural cycles without any interference from a mammal who's brain got too big for its own good. If you believe this, which generation do you want to have to suffer through being the last? Your kid's? Your grand kid's? Probably won't be ours, right, so we may as well pump all the oil we can and put as much CO2 into the atmosphere a we can and party all we want to because it won't be our problem. I'm going away now. Time to do something constructive. Sorry for my little tantrum. It's just the normal noise in my head- don't be bothered, by it.... :(

Edit: p.s. Sorry, Godfather. I truly believe you do not want your kids or grand kids to suffer and I believe you are a good, caring person. I just don't get your stance on this pipeline.

seriously. take the money that would be spent on the pipeline and invest it in solar panels or wind turbines. but that won't happen because the oil lobbyists won't let it happen.

Solyndra.

I see sheeple...

Solyndra is gone. Let's look at ways to make clean energy work. Learn form past failures rather than throw a good idea away because one company may have screwed up. That doesn't make green technology a bad idea. Pumping yet more CO2 into atmosphere- now that is a bad idea.

JonnyPistachio

Here's a good bit of $$$ being spent in some interesting places:

http://arpa-e.energy.gov/media/news/tab ... fault.aspx

Solyndra was bad, but there's a lot of good stuff happening. Slow, but steady.

MayDay Malone

Ur right. Solyndra is gone. So is $500 MILLION.

Solyndra failed because:

1. Demand for solar panels is DOWN. (nobody uses it beyond the minimum required to qualify for the big Obama-corporate tax holiday- see GE)

2. China makes them CHEAPER. (like everything else since the Clinton's opened free-trade with their communist bank-rollers- so green jobs WILL NEVER exist in th US in a marketedly measurable way- EVER.)

If green energy worked, it would be working.


waste of money, IMO. But as long as its not your money, why not throw it away?

JonnyPistachio

MayDay Malone wrote:

If green energy worked, it would be working.


waste of money, IMO. But as long as its not your money, why not throw it away?

Waste of Money? Are you talking about all of green energy, or just solar?

"The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) projects that renewable-generated electricity will account for 17% of total U.S. electricity generation in 2035, up from 9% in 2008.6 This growth is driven mainly by the extension of Federal tax credits and the new loan guarantee program in the February 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA).
From a global perspective, EIA projects that renewable energy will be the fastest-growing source of electricity generation through the forecast period to 2035.7 Much of the increase is expected to be from hydroelectric power and wind power."

Wind-generated electricity increased by 61% between 2007 and 2008 and by 28% between 2008 and 2009, more than any other renewable source of generation in both years. These increases were due primarily to newly-constructed wind power plants.

http://www.eia.gov/energy_in_brief/renewable_energy.cfm

Solar is one of the weakest in the US, but i've been hearing about interesting developments. ITs only a matter of time before it gets cheaper and more efficient.

Green Energy IS working. Its slow, but its working.

SweetChildofMine

Sorry, I hate being at the bottom of a page, where it usually doesnt get read.

even flow - question mark

Green won't take off in the US because WMD don't fly on solar power. Plain and simple.