Canadian Oil line to the USA, a must !

Godfather. · January 2012

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01 ... rk-energy/

Obama wants to review this idea more ?...what dipshit ! JUST GET IT GOING ! this will be our ticket to a better economy .

Godfather.

catefrances · January 2012

dont you got your own oil fields you can exploit??? or is the plan to suck everyones oilfields dry before its decided an alternative needs to be found.... and found quick dammit!!

Jeanwah · January 2012

Several energy experts who represent the oil and gas industry say the controversial Keystone XL, a 1,700-mile pipeline that would run from Canada to Texas, poses less of a risk to the environment than the estimated 50,000 miles of crude oil pipelines already crisscrossing the U.S., a network they say is safe and efficient.

Really Godfather? You're going to rely on a FoxNews article to accurately represent what's best environmentally for oil lines? And you believe the quote above? You know that FOX is heavily biased against anything environmental don't you??

Godfather. · January 2012

catefrances wrote:

dont you got your own oil fields you can exploit??? or is the plan to suck everyones oilfields dry before its decided an alternative needs to be found.... and found quick dammit!!

Canada wants to sell us this oil if we don't buy it someone else will, this project could bring jobs and money back into our economy and with as they said the new technology on pipe lines it would be safer than the current oil lines that criss cross the United States...but yes it would be nice if the bird watchers would not block any projects to drill in our own country.

Godfather.

Godfather. · January 2012

Jeanwah wrote:

Several energy experts who represent the oil and gas industry say the controversial Keystone XL, a 1,700-mile pipeline that would run from Canada to Texas, poses less of a risk to the environment than the estimated 50,000 miles of crude oil pipelines already crisscrossing the U.S., a network they say is safe and efficient.

Really Godfather? You're going to rely on a FoxNews article to accurately represent what's best environmentally for oil lines? And you believe the quote above? You know that FOX is heavily biased against anything environmental don't you??

actually I have been learning about this for a little while now and I don't care if we read it on FOX or RUMPER Room,
we need alt energy for sure but with all the talk and little action we need energy now and this would give our economy a much needed shot in the arm, maybe our government needs to get off its ass and get serious about alturnitive energy sourses insted of stringing us along and playing second fiddle to the enviromentalist.

Godfather.

PermaLogic · January 2012

I'm pretty sure that the majority of this oil will be sent to a port in texas and ship to other countries.....correct me if I'm wrong.

Break The Sky · January 2012

I think we should consider stimulating our economy by selling Texas back to Mexico.

PermaLogic · January 2012

Gulf Coast refiners plan to refine the cheap Canadian crude supplied by the pipeline into diesel and other products for export to Europe and Latin America. Proceeds from these exports are earned tax-free. Much of the fuel refined from the pipeline’s heavy crude oil will never reach U.S. drivers’ tanks.

the Energy Deptartment report on KeystoneXL found that decreasing demand through fuel efficiency is the only way to reduce mid-east oil imports with or without the pipeline.

In 2008, TransCanada’s Presidential Permit application for Keystone XL to the State Department indicated “a peak workforce of approximately 3,500 to 4,200 construction personnel” to build the pipeline. Jobs estimates above those listed in its application draw from a 2011 report commissioned by TransCanada that estimates 20,000 “person-years” of employment based on a non-public forecast model using undisclosed inputs provided by TransCanada. Most Jobs Created Will Be
Temporary and Non-Local

KXL will not be a major source of US jobs, nor will it play any substantial role at
all in putting Americans back to work. Even if the Perryman figures were accurate,
and all of the workers for the next phase of the project were hired immediately, the
US seasonally adjusted unemployment rate would remain at 9.1%—exactly where it
is now.

KXL will divert Tar Sands oil now supplying Midwest refineries, so it can be sold at
higher prices to the Gulf Coast and export markets. As a result, consumers in the
Midwest could be paying 10 to 20 cents more per gallon for gasoline and diesel
fuel. These additional costs (estimated to total $2–4 billion) will suppress other
spending and will therefore cost jobs.

These are just a few excerpts from various studies including one by Cornell University. I'm not claiming to be an expert, but I think you should look a bit further than Fox News, or any news channel for that matter, when taking up a cause. The claims that this is going to revitalize the economy and blah blah blah are all from groups who have direct interest in this project.

zarocat · January 2012

I worked up in the oil fields of Northern Canada for three years in structural steel building extraction plants. The oil (bitumen) is buried in the sand.
This process of extracting bitumen from the sand takes two barrels of water for every barrel of oil produced. Also, the plants run on just as mush natural gas. The disturbance to the land is unexplainable. Scientists have found fish in rivers up there with extra eyes & other deformities. Believe me when I tell you that this oil sand project is humanities biggest eye sore of the present day. Biggest environmental disturbance going for the plant right now. Communities who are native to the area in Northern Canada and who have never experienced any diseases, sicknesses etc., are now living unhealthy lives due to the pollution generated by these oil plants. It's gross! But every single-fuckin'-thing has oil tied to it... :?

Not sustainable at all.

'fox news'

chadwick · January 2012

Big Drop wrote:

I think we should consider stimulating our economy by selling Texas back to Mexico.

thank you for this. and new mexico, arizona and nevada...utah?

Godfather. · January 2012

chadwick wrote:

Big Drop wrote:

I think we should consider stimulating our economy by selling Texas back to Mexico.

thank you for this. and new mexico, arizona and nevada...utah?

what kind of hippie bullshit is that... :? but hay whay not they have the money......
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/18/opinion/s ... ?hpt=hp_c4

Godfather.

Godfather. · January 2012

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2012 ... ters-ease/

brianlux · January 2012

All I can do is heave a big sigh. The term "world wide suicide" comes to mind. Maybe we humans have this innate belief that we should destroy ourselves so the planet can go back to doing what it does best- go through its natural cycles without any interference from a mammal who's brain got too big for its own good. If you believe this, which generation do you want to have to suffer through being the last? Your kid's? Your grand kid's? Probably won't be ours, right, so we may as well pump all the oil we can and put as much CO2 into the atmosphere a we can and party all we want to because it won't be our problem. I'm going away now. Time to do something constructive. Sorry for my little tantrum. It's just the normal noise in my head- don't be bothered, by it....

Edit: p.s. Sorry, Godfather. I truly believe you do not want your kids or grand kids to suffer and I believe you are a good, caring person. I just don't get your stance on this pipeline.

chadwick · January 2012

brianlux wrote:

All I can do is heave a big sigh. The term "world wide suicide" comes to mind. Maybe we humans have this innate belief that we should destroy ourselves so the planet can go back to doing what it does best- go through its natural cycles without any interference from a mammal who's brain got too big for its own good. If you believe this, which generation do you want to have to suffer through being the last? Your kid's? Your grand kid's? Probably won't be ours, right, so we may as well pump all the oil we can and put as much CO2 into the atmosphere a we can and party all we want to because it won't be our problem. I'm going away now. Time to do something constructive. Sorry for my little tantrum. It's just the normal noise in my head- don't be bothered, by it....

Edit: p.s. Sorry, Godfather. I truly believe you do not want your kids or grand kids to suffer and I believe you are a good, caring person. I just don't get your stance on this pipeline.

im in the same boat you are, b.lux. oddly enough, godfather doesn't know what the hell he's going on about anyway. he does this quite a bit. the man's ill informed and obviously not an environmentalist.

EZ1221C · January 2012

brianlux wrote:

All I can do is heave a big sigh. The term "world wide suicide" comes to mind. Maybe we humans have this innate belief that we should destroy ourselves so the planet can go back to doing what it does best- go through its natural cycles without any interference from a mammal who's brain got too big for its own good. If you believe this, which generation do you want to have to suffer through being the last? Your kid's? Your grand kid's? Probably won't be ours, right, so we may as well pump all the oil we can and put as much CO2 into the atmosphere a we can and party all we want to because it won't be our problem. I'm going away now. Time to do something constructive. Sorry for my little tantrum. It's just the normal noise in my head- don't be bothered, by it....

Edit: p.s. Sorry, Godfather. I truly believe you do not want your kids or grand kids to suffer and I believe you are a good, caring person. I just don't get your stance on this pipeline.

seriously. take the money that would be spent on the pipeline and invest it in solar panels or wind turbines. but that won't happen because the oil lobbyists won't let it happen.

he still stands · January 2012

Godfather. wrote:

Obama wants to review this idea more ?...what dipshit ! JUST GET IT GOING ! this will be our ticket to a better economy .

Godfather.

how so? ... jobs? cheaper fuel?

honest question...

SweetChildofMine · January 2012

EZ1221C wrote:

brianlux wrote:

All I can do is heave a big sigh. The term "world wide suicide" comes to mind. Maybe we humans have this innate belief that we should destroy ourselves so the planet can go back to doing what it does best- go through its natural cycles without any interference from a mammal who's brain got too big for its own good. If you believe this, which generation do you want to have to suffer through being the last? Your kid's? Your grand kid's? Probably won't be ours, right, so we may as well pump all the oil we can and put as much CO2 into the atmosphere a we can and party all we want to because it won't be our problem. I'm going away now. Time to do something constructive. Sorry for my little tantrum. It's just the normal noise in my head- don't be bothered, by it....

Edit: p.s. Sorry, Godfather. I truly believe you do not want your kids or grand kids to suffer and I believe you are a good, caring person. I just don't get your stance on this pipeline.

seriously. take the money that would be spent on the pipeline and invest it in solar panels or wind turbines. but that won't happen because the oil lobbyists won't let it happen.

I agree. Scotland will be oil free by 2020. So will a lot of other countries if all goes well. We will not even see the $$ from this pipeline put back into our economy, if this is the lie you are sucummbing to. Its not about the money. Its about freeing energy, moving to the alternatives and making the world take a step closer to being sustainable place to live.
http://news.discovery.com/tech/wind-pow ... lades.html here is a story someone just sent.

brianlux · January 2012

SweetChildofMine wrote:

I agree. Scotland will be oil free by 2020. So will a lot of other countries if all goes well. We will not even see the $$ from this pipeline put back into our economy, if this is the lie you are sucummbing to. Its not about the money. Its about freeing energy, moving to the alternatives and making the world take a step closer to being sustainable place to live.
http://news.discovery.com/tech/wind-pow ... lades.html here is a story someone just sent.

Thank you SweetChildofMine! Great article. Wind stalks look very promising!

Jeanwah · January 2012

SweetChildofMine wrote:

I agree. Scotland will be oil free by 2020. So will a lot of other countries if all goes well. We will not even see the $$ from this pipeline put back into our economy, if this is the lie you are sucummbing to. Its not about the money. Its about freeing energy, moving to the alternatives and making the world take a step closer to being sustainable place to live.
http://news.discovery.com/tech/wind-pow ... lades.html here is a story someone just sent.

Wow, I haven't seen these 'new' wind stalks! Very cool.

lukin2006 · January 2012

SweetChildofMine wrote:

EZ1221C wrote:

brianlux wrote:

All I can do is heave a big sigh. The term "world wide suicide" comes to mind. Maybe we humans have this innate belief that we should destroy ourselves so the planet can go back to doing what it does best- go through its natural cycles without any interference from a mammal who's brain got too big for its own good. If you believe this, which generation do you want to have to suffer through being the last? Your kid's? Your grand kid's? Probably won't be ours, right, so we may as well pump all the oil we can and put as much CO2 into the atmosphere a we can and party all we want to because it won't be our problem. I'm going away now. Time to do something constructive. Sorry for my little tantrum. It's just the normal noise in my head- don't be bothered, by it....

Edit: p.s. Sorry, Godfather. I truly believe you do not want your kids or grand kids to suffer and I believe you are a good, caring person. I just don't get your stance on this pipeline.

seriously. take the money that would be spent on the pipeline and invest it in solar panels or wind turbines. but that won't happen because the oil lobbyists won't let it happen.

I agree. Scotland will be oil free by 2020. So will a lot of other countries if all goes well. We will not even see the $$ from this pipeline put back into our economy, if this is the lie you are sucummbing to. Its not about the money. Its about freeing energy, moving to the alternatives and making the world take a step closer to being sustainable place to live.
http://news.discovery.com/tech/wind-pow ... lades.html here is a story someone just sent.

Really...oil free in 8 years? I'm quite skeptical. Unless your definition of oil free and mine are different.

SweetChildofMine · January 2012

That is what they are projecting.

I cant find the original story I read. This is just one of them. Includes red tape, of course.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-1 ... um=twitter

Canadian Oil line to the USA, a must !

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