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Pearl Jam Bootlegs : Post 2006
CrookedTom
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It may be just me..
I have found every bootleg I've heard since the Euro Shows 2006 almost unlistenable. Even shows that I went to and loved (02 London, Hyde Park).
The issues are the 'trashy slashy' sound of the guitars and the ridicoulous levels they put Vedder's voice at.
I downloaded Hamilton the other week after the rave reviews on here, and it was the same ol' situation.
Am I alone in thinking this way? The 2000, 2003 and 2006 Boots at their best were almost a perfect live document in my eyes.
I have found every bootleg I've heard since the Euro Shows 2006 almost unlistenable. Even shows that I went to and loved (02 London, Hyde Park).
The issues are the 'trashy slashy' sound of the guitars and the ridicoulous levels they put Vedder's voice at.
I downloaded Hamilton the other week after the rave reviews on here, and it was the same ol' situation.
Am I alone in thinking this way? The 2000, 2003 and 2006 Boots at their best were almost a perfect live document in my eyes.
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All i think about is the horrible sound quality of boots i spent thousands of hours listening to of pj in the 90's...
So,...some may feel ya...but, i'm more happy that the crowd isn't so over barringly loud to where you cant hear the music...
I totally agree. I not only spent a lot of hours listening to those old (actual) bootlegs, but $30 or more each. I love that I can buy reasonably priced official "bootleg" CDs of the shows I go to that sound as good as they do.
I don't think you are alone in this one. I'm not with you because I don't really judge sound that much. THere have been numerous threads from folks on hear who do not like the post 2003 bootleg sound.
Ottawa 9/14/2011
Amsterdam 6/26/2012!
Dublin 02 Arena - 22/6/10. Belfast Odyssey Arena - 23/6/10. London Hyde Park - 25/6/10. Berlin Wuhlheide - 30/6/10.
Manchester MEN - 20/06/12. Manchester MEN - 21/06/12
Is it possibly the 2000 bootleg quality was so good because they recorded all of the shows for the touring band movie?
Ottawa 9/14/2011
Amsterdam 6/26/2012!
The 2011 bootlegs are the best sounding since 2006, Brett Eliason's return has made a huge difference, but they're not playing with the same intensity they were back then - that's not something a good mix will change.
I don't know for sure but I think Live On Two Legs was a tester for the 2000 shows which were planned as a standalone project and the DVD was just a natural companion to the recordings.
Dublin 02 Arena - 22/6/10. Belfast Odyssey Arena - 23/6/10. London Hyde Park - 25/6/10. Berlin Wuhlheide - 30/6/10.
Manchester MEN - 20/06/12. Manchester MEN - 21/06/12
Ah what speakers did you play this one on? Or headphones are you hearing these under? The CDN '11 bootlegs are a huge improvement from the '08, '09 & '10 bootlegs, IMO. '00 bootlegs were great but the drums were much louder the the other year bootleg releases, especially the Euro ones. '03's, imo, were amazing!!
In complete agreement. Compare release from 11/6/2000 to any version post 2006. It's like no sound *around* the instruments was recorded, minimal crowd noise, virtually none of that natural reverb in Eddie's vocals you get in arena's (anyone who's been to a pj show knows) I think they captured the whole *event* more faithfully in 2000 and 2003 as you said.
Love the 2003 tour boots, think they are great and the same goes for 2006.
2008, maybe I'm alone on this but I have no issues with the quality. I prefer these to the 2010 ones I've heard.
All in all though, these are all great compared to 99% of audience recordings.
2006: Dublin; Leeds; Arnhem
2007: London
2009: Manchester
2012: Manchester I & II : EV Manchester : Soundgarden Shepherds Bush
2013: Brad Manchester : Soundgarden Manchester
2014: Amsterdam I & II; Berlin; Leeds; Milton Keynes
2018: Berlin; London II; Boston II
Bootleg Reviews: http://pjbootlegreviews.blogspot.com/
I agree with all of this. Everything after 2006 is pretty much turds IMO. The 2011 shows have sounded better, which I attribute to Eliason coming back. The 2010 shows were awful. As far as the pre-2000 audience recordings, there is something to be said about those. Yeah, they were expensive and the sound quality was spotty sometimes, but they captured the true vibe of the show. The US 2000 shows were great and intense. Eddie didn't sport that damned warbly voice thing he does now and the band had a true maturity in how they played and performed.
Alpine Valley 10-8-00 (The Icebowl)
Chicago 05-16-06, 05-17-06
Lollapalooza 08-05-07
Chicago 08-22-08 [EV Solo]
Chicago 08-23-09, 08-24-09
Chicago 06-28-11, 06-29-11 [EV Solo]
PJ20 Alpine Valley 09-03-11, 09-04-11
Wrigley Field 07-19-13
Wrigley Field 08-20-16, 08-22-16
I'd say their mid forties to be fair - Ed is 47 and is older than Stone & Mike by a couple of years.
I think in 2000/2003/2006 they played huge extensive tours - So as a band they were razor-tight after a dozen shows or so..Nowadays they do a cluster of shows over a course of 6 weeks or something. Add the fact that they are throwning out loads of obscurities, it can sometimes sound like a mess when you're listening back to it on a CD at home, I know being there is entirely different.
& bass depth i so deeply love. i was pretty bummed out by this because the last couple of tours they've been on fire. now i don't have to worry & can enjoy the philly box, 5 other backspacer shows & all 4 of my 08 shows. i'm glad brett is back, though. who did the mixing in his absence, john burton? still not a bad job, but i'm used to brett's sound.