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vedderman72vedderman72 Posts: 387
edited January 2012 in The Porch
I was sitting down today listining to my Live at Soldier Feild 95 import and it got me thinking I was at the last Greatful Dead concerts at Soldier Field as well and it was awsome so I pulled out that import and starting listning to it. Pearl Jam and the Greatful Dead are a like in a lot of ways love to play live there shows rock and they both have and had a GREAT front man but the biggest thing I think is the FANS...no matter what we will follow them to the end. Sorry to ramble it just got me thinking and I wanted to write it...thanks for reading!!
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  • patrickredeyespatrickredeyes Posts: 8,834
    Thanks for sharing. :)
  • tremorstremors Posts: 8,051
    I don't know much about the Grateful Dead, or their music :oops: :oops:

    But I know a number of forum members (stillhere, NHiding (The Rob), and others) have been big Deadheads who say that they find in Pearl Jam's music, and community something they have never encountered outside of the Grateful Dead.

    So I think we must be a safe haven for ex-deadheads! :D

    I think there are people out there that would strongly agree with you!
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  • oona leftoona left Posts: 1,677
    And, a big thank you for referring to it as "Soldier Field."

    Were you there? It was an awesome show.
  • AK170650AK170650 Posts: 2
    Agree!
  • TheGhostTheGhost Posts: 536
    I was a teenage Deadhead AND a PJ fan, but I never would have guessed they would end up so similar. Unlike the 90's Jam Band scene that sort of inherited the Dead's crowd, PJ fans created their own authentic culture, making them, I think, more on level with the pioneering spirit the Grateful Dead. On the other hand, the differences between them are about as big as the differences between the Baby Boomers and Generation X.
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  • stickmanstickman Posts: 1,009
    PJ used the Grateful Dead's stage at the Soldier Filed '95 show. Eddie thanks them during the show. Pretty cool.
  • SawyerSawyer Posts: 2,411
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  • vedderman72vedderman72 Posts: 387
    edited October 2011
    Yeah I was there for the Grateful Dead shows, and for the Pearl Jam show... That was the first time I got to be right down front for a PJ concert I loved it when Eddie said "there were still joints on the stage from the night before"

    Yeah Sawyer I hit send before I could fix it, thanks for pointing out my mistake!!
    oona left wrote:
    And, a big thank you for referring to it as "Soldier Field."

    Were you there? It was an awesome show.
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  • BubbaDogBubbaDog Posts: 21
    What a good thread. The 3 bands I have seen most are the Grateful Dead (about 15 shows), Pearl Jam and Phish (about 20) shows. They all share the variety of the setlists, the excitement of song selections at shows and the touring passion of the fans and camraderie of sharing a great show.
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  • EvieVedderEvieVedder NW Indiana Posts: 461
    I took my brother, who is a HUGE Grateful Dead fan, to PJ20 with me. The part in the movie where they talk about how the setlist changes every show really impressed him. He said, "I thought only Grateful Dead did that." Something very cool to have in common, if you ask me.
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  • tremorstremors Posts: 8,051
    vedderman72 wrote:

    Yeah Sawyer I hit send before I could fix it, thanks for pointing out my mistake!!

    You know you can edit the thread title? Might be an idea, because if this thread has legs (and I have a feeling it might) - you may get a few angry deadheads shouting at you tomorrow morning ;)
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  • McNairnMcNairn Posts: 284
    I went to Grateful Dead shows long ago - they were great but i always thought the band missed a great opportunity to be more political.
    now of course I am a Pearl Jam fanatic and for me it is way better - all the great elements of Grateful Dead but with an attitude -
    Hippies are nice people but dont get enough accomplished.
  • URthekeyURthekey Posts: 1,908
    Grateful Dead let fans come to shows with high quality sound recording equipment, their fanclub sold 'tapers tickets' that gave seats right near the sound board.
    "Bootlegs" --- in the true sense of the word.
  • acutejamacutejam Posts: 1,433
    I'm always excited when I can see bands in Venues I've seen the Dead at.

    Sacto Cal Expo '95 was an awesome PJ show -- and the Dead totally rocked that place.

    I wish PJ would pick up on the Dead's touring pattern, the 3-night Fri-Sun aspect -- 3 Summer Solstice Shows at the Greek Theater in Berkeley! New Year's Eve at the HJK! Frost Amphitheater for a weekend.... Oh my the 80s were fun!
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  • dislocateddislocated Posts: 599
    Cool thread. I just listened to the Soldier Field boot this weekend too. First time in a while. What I was thinking about was, how are Eddies vocals chords not completelt shredded by now? He was so intense that show. My throat hurt after listening.
    I saw the Dead there in '92. I recently found my Dead ticket stub from that show too. I hadn't seen it for 15 years. Great nostalgia score.
  • reedrothchildreedrothchild Posts: 628
    i don't really have much to add, but I love tGD and Pearl Jam. And like a previous poster mentioned, for all the similarities there are just as many differences. I would love it if PJ had a real taping policy that allowed mic stands so we could get some crispy auds. I'm sure some taping pros would get pulls much better than the subpar soundboards. That Bonnaroo aud is terrific!
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  • ladydocNYCladydocNYC Posts: 635
    When they played in DC in 2008 the (highly praising) review in the Washington Post was called "More Grateful Every Year".

    It sounds to me from listening to live recordings of the Dead that they did a lot more improv and certainly more long jams. But I've always thought the crowd and the love and devotion must be similar. And actually I do think PJ are sounding a little more "psychedelic" as the years go by. Hard to say what I mean exactly. But there's a layeredness to their sound live and something more meditative and trippy I've been feeling especially on the Canada tour. (Maybe just my own mindset...)
  • reedrothchildreedrothchild Posts: 628
    ladydocNYC wrote:
    When they played in DC in 2008 the (highly praising) review in the Washington Post was called "More Grateful Every Year".

    It sounds to me from listening to live recordings of the Dead that they did a lot more improv and certainly more long jams. But I've always thought the crowd and the love and devotion must be similar. And actually I do think PJ are sounding a little more "psychedelic" as the years go by. Hard to say what I mean exactly. But there's a layeredness to their sound live and something more meditative and trippy I've been feeling especially on the Canada tour. (Maybe just my own mindset...)

    Very well said. It you want to get specific some solid psychedelic or noodly jams off the top of my head:

    Den Haag '92 IGAF
    Budokan '95 improv/jeremy
    Riverport '00 RVM
    Osaka '03 Porch
    Nagoya '03 improv/Immortality
    "What can you expect when you're on top? You know? It's like Napoleon. When he was the king, you know, people were just constantly trying to conquer him, you know, in the Roman Empire. So, it's history repeating itself all over again."
  • GratefulJamGratefulJam Posts: 1,803
    Exactly.. throw in some camping and maybe a bit of Koolaid.....
    acutejam wrote:
    I'm always excited when I can see bands in Venues I've seen the Dead at.

    Sacto Cal Expo '95 was an awesome PJ show -- and the Dead totally rocked that place.

    I wish PJ would pick up on the Dead's touring pattern, the 3-night Fri-Sun aspect -- 3 Summer Solstice Shows at the Greek Theater in Berkeley! New Year's Eve at the HJK! Frost Amphitheater for a weekend.... Oh my the 80s were fun!
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  • URthekeyURthekey Posts: 1,908
    A nice thing the GD fan club did for their fans was make the club tickets real keepsakes in the sense that they were always beautifully designed & foil embossed and a different graphic for each night.
    Unlike the TM stock tix face we get for all shows now - a - days they had real charm.
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,097
    yeah i remember the 95/96 tour had some really cool tickets very much like the dead. I can totally see a lot of similiarities between the dead and pearl jam. in '98 i started bringing in mic's to pj shows and my dad said he did the same thing at dead shows. a big difference is that the grateful dead toured so much more than pj. and man were their set lists different! people would get mad if the same song ended the 1st encore in a 5 show period. imagine pj covering something like st. stephen?! whoa.
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  • reedrothchildreedrothchild Posts: 628
    URthekey wrote:
    A nice thing the GD fan club did for their fans was make the club tickets real keepsakes in the sense that they were always beautifully designed & foil embossed and a different graphic for each night.
    Unlike the TM stock tix face we get for all shows now - a - days they had real charm.

    yeah mailorder tickets are much cooler. Phish still does them and it's always fun to get your tickets in the mail and admire the great designs...
    "What can you expect when you're on top? You know? It's like Napoleon. When he was the king, you know, people were just constantly trying to conquer him, you know, in the Roman Empire. So, it's history repeating itself all over again."
  • SP96445SP96445 Posts: 215
    I saw approx 150 GD and Jerry Band shows over a 15 year period but "only" 20 PJ and EV shows in a 11 year time frame. No doubt that the live concert experience of both bands scratches the same itch for me. The crowds at GD shows are what I imagine a crowd at Burning Man is like. Proudly flying their freak flags and prompting the casual concert goer to participate. Also the venue choices the Dead made where often different and conducive to camping. The Dead scene unfortunately collapsed under its own weight in the last years when more people tried to take what they could from the scene and not contribute to it. Plus Jerry's unfortunate smack addiction lead to some extremely disappointing shows.
    These are the only bands I have traveled around the country to watch but even if the crowds are less interesting at PJ shows the quality PJ's music is always consistently higher and thus more satisfying.
  • jlynchjlynch Posts: 32
    Also a Deadhead and PJ fan. My wife and I went to NYC to see an exhibition of the Grateful Dead archive (kinda like the PJ museum at PJ20) two years ago. Some people also decorated their envelopes when they sent in their mail order ticket paments. They were showing tons of these hand decorated envelopes at the exhibition - that was one of the highlights. One of the display areas said that the Dead had kept every envelope that was decorated and that they are all stored in the band's archive at U of C Santa Cruz.

    I remember that the turnaround between the Dead's last show and the PJ shows was really short so the papers were reporting that PJ's management asked the Dead to leave the stage so they could use it - so PJ actually played on the Dead's stage.
  • TheGhostTheGhost Posts: 536
    jlynch wrote:
    Also a Deadhead and PJ fan. My wife and I went to NYC to see an exhibition of the Grateful Dead archive (kinda like the PJ museum at PJ20) two years ago. Some people also decorated their envelopes when they sent in their mail order ticket paments. They were showing tons of these hand decorated envelopes at the exhibition - that was one of the highlights. One of the display areas said that the Dead had kept every envelope that was decorated and that they are all stored in the band's archive at U of C Santa Cruz.

    I remember that the turnaround between the Dead's last show and the PJ shows was really short so the papers were reporting that PJ's management asked the Dead to leave the stage so they could use it - so PJ actually played on the Dead's stage.


    Yeah! I remember hearing that about the stage. Pretty cool that PJ literally played on the last stage the Dead ever played..... This thread is making me miss Jerry :cry:
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  • helplessdancerhelplessdancer Posts: 5,293
    may 13th PJ setlist 1993
    slims san fransisco
    Animal
    Go
    Even Flow
    Blood
    Daughter
    W.M.A.
    Dissident
    Why Go
    Alive
    Hard To Imagine
    Rearviewmirror
    Better Man
    Dirty Frank
    Rats
    Baba O'Riley
    Once
    Jeremy (Tearing) / Porch (Girls Just Want To Have Fun)
    Release
    Alone / Whipping (Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap)
    Leash

    Jeff and his brother drive to Vegas right after the show and catch at least 1 of the 3 shows
    here's the setlist to that 1st show. sting was the opener that year
    makes me wonder if jeff actually saw all 3 shows in vegas that summer
    and what other ones he might have seen 8-)

    thanks for sharing that with us jeff


    grateful dead
    Sam Boyd Silver Bowl, Las Vegas, NV (Friday, 5/14/93)
    Cold Rain and Snow
    Wang Dang Doodle
    Lazy River Road
    Queen Jane
    Ramble On Rose
    Black Throated Wind
    Liberty

    Scarlet Begonias ->
    Fire on the Mountain
    Long Way to go Home
    Corina
    Uncle John's Band ->
    Drums ->
    Space ->
    I Need a Miracle ->
    Standing on the Moon ->
    Sugar Magnolia

    I Fought the Law
  • DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    Grateful Dead - Baba O'Riley

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  • NHidingNHiding Posts: 1,908
    Good god...please don't watch the Dead doing Baba...you'll get the totally wrong impression! The final years were not kind to Jerry and the music suffered greatly.
    by McNairn » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:58 am
    I went to Grateful Dead shows long ago - they were great but i always thought the band missed a great opportunity to be more political.
    now of course I am a Pearl Jam fanatic and for me it is way better - all the great elements of Grateful Dead but with an attitude -
    Hippies are nice people but dont get enough accomplished.

    Garcia was not into being publicly political at all. But the band and the organization were often well versed and outspoken in many political areas through their REX Foundation and other areas, and had fans in congress, the senate and the white house. And for a bunch of hippies who hung around for 30 years, they sure changed a lot of lives and left quite the imprint. Would sure love to see PJ at the Great Pyramids!
  • StillHereStillHere Posts: 7,795
    NHiding wrote:
    Good god...please don't watch the Dead doing Baba...you'll get the totally wrong impression! The final years were not kind to Jerry and the music suffered greatly.
    by McNairn » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:58 am
    I went to Grateful Dead shows long ago - they were great but i always thought the band missed a great opportunity to be more political.
    now of course I am a Pearl Jam fanatic and for me it is way better - all the great elements of Grateful Dead but with an attitude -
    Hippies are nice people but dont get enough accomplished.

    Garcia was not into being publicly political at all. But the band and the organization were often well versed and outspoken in many political areas through their REX Foundation and other areas, and had fans in congress, the senate and the white house. And for a bunch of hippies who hung around for 30 years, they sure changed a lot of lives and left quite the imprint. Would sure love to see PJ at the Great Pyramids!

    they certainly influenced a lot of things and a lot of changes in my life
    and i like to think that maybe in turn, my life has affected a person or two along the way
    we were having too good a time to fret over the overtly political at the time
    but very aware
    and quite vocal when the need arose and the time was right for an ear to hear
    i've always felt that a well thought out targeted approach works much better than screaming at deaf people

    i miss the dead

    i adore PJ and although they compare in many ways, mostly the community of it all

    we're talking oranges and tangerines here friends

    i wouldn't give up either...ever

    :D

    nice thread...although i'm a little late to the party
    imagine that?
    heheheeee
    peace,
    jo

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