Miss Representation

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  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Yeah, this looks good. Thanks for posting Shimmy!
  • ShimmyMommy
    ShimmyMommy Posts: 7,505
    You are welcome. It really is worth the watch.

    Another thing that got me thinking about this documentary was how they talked about the effect of compartmentalizing women/girls is also having on young boys. So, I decided to follow "Miss Representation" FB to see if they had more interesting information, and they had just posted this article from the New York Times:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/30/opini ... .html?_r=2

    Should the World of Toys Be Gender-Free?
    By PEGGY ORENSTEIN Published: December 29, 2011

    NOW that the wrapping paper and the infernal clamshell packaging have been relegated to the curb and the paying off of holiday bills has begun, the toy industry is gearing up — for Christmas 2012. And its early offerings have ignited a new debate over nature, nurture, toys and sex.

    Hamleys, which is London’s 251-year-old version of F.A.O. Schwarz, recently dismantled its pink “girls” and blue “boys” sections in favor of a gender-neutral store with red-and-white signage. Rather than floors dedicated to Barbie dolls and action figures, merchandise is now organized by types (Soft Toys) and interests (Outdoor).

    That free-to-be gesture was offset by Lego, whose Friends collection, aimed at girls, will hit stores this month with the goal of becoming a holiday must-have by the fall. Set in fictive Heartlake City (and supported by a $40 million marketing campaign), the line features new, pastel-colored, blocks that allow a budding Kardashian, among other things, to build herself a cafe or a beauty salon. Its tasty-sounding “ladyfig” characters are also taller and curvier than the typical Legoland denizen.

    So who has it right? Should gender be systematically expunged from playthings? Or is Lego merely being realistic, earnestly meeting girls halfway in an attempt to stoke their interest in engineering?

    Among the “10 characteristics for Lego” described in 1963 by a son of the founder was that it was “for girls and for boys,” as Bloomberg Businessweek reported. But the new Friends collection, Lego says, was based on months of anthropological research revealing that — gasp! — the sexes play differently.

    While as toddlers they interact similarly with the company’s Duplo blocks, by preschool girls prefer playthings that are pretty, exude “harmony” and allow them to tell a story. They may enjoy building, but they favor role play. So it’s bye-bye Bionicles, hello princesses. In order to be gender-fair, today’s executives insist, they have to be gender-specific.

    As any developmental psychologist will tell you, those observations are, to a degree, correct. Toy choice among young children is the Big Kahuna of sex differences, one of the largest across the life span. It transcends not only culture but species: in two separate studies of primates, in 2002 and 2008, researchers found that males gravitated toward stereotypically masculine toys (like cars and balls) while females went ape for dolls. Both sexes, incidentally, appreciated stuffed animals and books.

    Human boys and girls not only tend to play differently from one another — with girls typically clustering in pairs or trios, chatting together more than boys and playing more cooperatively — but, when given a choice, usually prefer hanging with their own kind.

    Score one for Lego, right? Not so fast. Preschoolers may be the self-appointed chiefs of the gender police, eager to enforce and embrace the most rigid views. Yet, according Lise Eliot, a neuroscientist and the author of “Pink Brain, Blue Brain,” that’s also the age when their brains are most malleable, most open to influence on the abilities and roles that traditionally go with their sex.

    Every experience, every interaction, every activity — when they laugh, cry, learn, play — strengthens some neural circuits at the expense of others, and the younger the child the greater the effect. Consider: boys from more egalitarian homes are more nurturing toward babies. Meanwhile, in a study of more than 5,000 3-year-olds, girls with older brothers had stronger spatial skills than both girls and boys with older sisters.

    At issue, then, is not nature or nurture but how nurture becomes nature: the environment in which children play and grow can encourage a range of aptitudes or foreclose them. So blithely indulging — let alone exploiting — stereotypically gendered play patterns may have a more negative long-term impact on kids’ potential than parents imagine. And promoting, without forcing, cross-sex friendships as well as a breadth of play styles may be more beneficial. There is even evidence that children who have opposite-sex friendships during their early years have healthier romantic relationships as teenagers.

    Traditionally, toys were intended to communicate parental values and expectations, to train children for their future adult roles. Today’s boys and girls will eventually be one another’s professional peers, employers, employees, romantic partners, co-parents. How can they develop skills for such collaborations from toys that increasingly emphasize, reinforce, or even create, gender differences? What do girls learn about who they should be from Lego kits with beauty parlors or the flood of “girl friendly” science kits that run the gamut from “beauty spa lab” to “perfume factory”?

    The rebellion against such gender apartheid may have begun. Consider the latest cute-kid video to go viral on YouTube: "Riley on Marketing" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CU040Hqbas shows a little girl in front of a wall of pink packaging, asking, “Why do all the girls have to buy pink stuff and all the boys have to buy different-color stuff?” It has been viewed more than 2.4 million times.

    Perhaps, then, Hamleys is on to something, though it will doubtless meet with resistance — even rejection — from both its pint-size customers and multinational vendors. As for me, I’m trying to track down a poster of a 1981 ad for a Lego “universal” building set to give to my daughter. In it, a freckle-faced girl with copper-colored braids, baggy jeans, a T-shirt and sneakers proudly holds out a jumbly, multi-hued Lego creation. Beneath it, a tag line reads, “What it is is beautiful.”

    Peggy Orenstein is the author, most recently, of “Cinderella Ate My Daughter: Dispatches From the Front Lines of the New Girlie-Girl Culture.”
    A version of this op-ed appeared in print on December 30, 2011, on page A23 of the New York edition with the headline: Should the World of Toys Be Gender-Free?.
    Lots of love, light and hugs to you all!
  • bionicamy
    bionicamy Posts: 425
    Interesting trailer and article....

    One of the most difficult parts of being a parent if not the most is simply trying to keep your child from growing up too fast in today's media soaked world.

    Media and sales will continue to push the concept of gender specific if they feel it will increase profits.

    14 years ago more than a few where horrified that my youngest son's favorite toy was a kitchen set. Today it's pretty normal to see a little boy playing with a kitchen set. ;)

    If they are healthy, happy, reaching normal growth stages let kids explore and play with whatever age appropriate toys inspired their little souls.
    “This is a ah another request fulfillment. If none of the other of you like it at least one guy does. Actually it’s a girl, she’s right back there.”
    SMILE Eddie Vedder Cleveland 06.....
  • ShimmyMommy
    ShimmyMommy Posts: 7,505
    bionicamy wrote:
    Interesting trailer and article....

    One of the most difficult parts of being a parent if not the most is simply trying to keep your child from growing up too fast in today's media soaked world.

    Media and sales will continue to push the concept of gender specific if they feel it will increase profits.

    14 years ago more than a few where horrified that my youngest son's favorite toy was a kitchen set. Today it's pretty normal to see a little boy playing with a kitchen set. ;)

    If they are healthy, happy, reaching normal growth stages let kids explore and play with whatever age appropriate toys inspired their little souls.

    I completely agree with you. It wasn't until I became a parent that I really took notice of how prevalent media is in our world, and the messages it's sending to all of us. That's why I found the documentary & article interesting.

    Thank you for all for commenting.
    Lots of love, light and hugs to you all!
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    Very interesting. Discrimination in the workplace was a large unit in my Sociology class. I'll have to view this tomorrow.

    Edit - Err discrimination of women in general. Regardless, I think this will be very informative.
  • voidofman
    voidofman Posts: 4,009
    I realized something as I watched this, I think subconsciously I avoid buying products that use women as objects in marketing. When I see a woman in a bikini I don't think, "I need to buy that," I think, "that's sad."

    Never really thought about it until now, for me, sex doesn't sell. Then again I'm not materialistic too much and prefer more mindful products. (there's an oxymoron for you, lol)
  • ShimmyMommy
    ShimmyMommy Posts: 7,505
    voidofman wrote:
    I realized something as I watched this, I think subconsciously I avoid buying products that use women as objects in marketing. When I see a woman in a bikini I don't think, "I need to buy that," I think, "that's sad."

    Never really thought about it until now, for me, sex doesn't sell. Then again I'm not materialistic too much and prefer more mindful products. (there's an oxymoron for you, lol)

    Yes, that's how I shop too. I have a very difficult time purchasing anything that has no practicality to me. There is a point in the doc too where there talk about how they purposefully gear most ads to men between the ages of 18 to 34, even thought they make up a very small portion of the American viewers. Didn't surprise me, but don't really understand why, as the female population makes up more than half of the nation.
    Lots of love, light and hugs to you all!
  • voidofman
    voidofman Posts: 4,009
    Yes, that's how I shop too. I have a very difficult time purchasing anything that has no practicality to me. There is a point in the doc too where there talk about how they purposefully gear most ads to men between the ages of 18 to 34, even thought they make up a very small portion of the American viewers. Didn't surprise me, but don't really understand why, as the female population makes up more than half of the nation.

    And not to be sexist but women shop more than men. I think they just use men as an excuse to do these things saying, "this is what guys want," and why our society and relationships are deteriorating.
  • ShimmyMommy
    ShimmyMommy Posts: 7,505
    voidofman wrote:
    Yes, that's how I shop too. I have a very difficult time purchasing anything that has no practicality to me. There is a point in the doc too where there talk about how they purposefully gear most ads to men between the ages of 18 to 34, even thought they make up a very small portion of the American viewers. Didn't surprise me, but don't really understand why, as the female population makes up more than half of the nation.

    And not to be sexist but women shop more than men. I think they just use men as an excuse to do these things saying, "this is what guys want," and why our society and relationships are deteriorating.


    I, myself, am not a huge shopper. I have to justify what I spend my money on. I want good quality long-term products, not short-term novelty items.

    Yes, that is one of the issues brought up in the doc, how media is negatively changing the relationships between male and female. I need to see if I can get the movie and watch it again.
    Lots of love, light and hugs to you all!
  • see this is what I meant before - i don't understand why using women wearing very little, or sex in general, in marketing is deemed offensive
    I don't mean to offend anyone, a lot of what I say should be taken with a grain of salt... that said for most of you I'm a stranger on a computer on the other side of the world, don't give me that sort of power!
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    see this is what I meant before - i don't understand why using women wearing very little, or sex in general, in marketing is deemed offensive

    I think it's problematic in part because it reduces women to objects rather than subjects and teaches girls that they are more valued for their big boobs than for their big brains. The message is that women/girls are useful insomuch as they fulfill the sexual desires of men. It's not about a specific subset of the population supposedly being offended; it's about the very real effect it has on society as a whole, especially young girls.
  • I think it shouldn't redult in self esteem issues it's all a matter of conditioning, and where does it end is the real question? people will attack sexual marketing and strippers, porn and the adult industry as a whole they attack models and I just see it as an evergrowing thing
    I don't mean to offend anyone, a lot of what I say should be taken with a grain of salt... that said for most of you I'm a stranger on a computer on the other side of the world, don't give me that sort of power!
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    I think it shouldn't redult in self esteem issues it's all a matter of conditioning, and where does it end is the real question? people will attack sexual marketing and strippers, porn and the adult industry as a whole they attack models and I just see it as an evergrowing thing

    I don't understand why you say it shouldn't result in self esteem issues because it's a matter of conditioning. That's exactly why it DOES result in esteem (and other) issues. Strippers, porn, and the adult industry are not under attack here at all because they are restricted to & marketed to adults. I agree that it's an ever growing thing and the real question is where does it end - but my concern is more for where it ends for the children than for the adults. I don't believe subjecting children to the harms of sexual marketing, etc is a fair trade off for somehow protecting the adults in the porn industry (from what?).
  • the adult industry was an example of what is already under attacked for allegedly objectifying women, the wuestion was how far overboard we might go, I wasn't actually talking about protecting people in it. I also wonder if were we to restrict this sort of advertising is it a free speech issue.
    As far as what I meant by conditioning, it is my experience that children who are insecure in terms of appearance often come from households with parents that are insecure or who go overboard with their appearance; I think that has a bigger impact on kids at a formative age.
    adults are not immune from the same insecurites as children anyway
    I don't mean to offend anyone, a lot of what I say should be taken with a grain of salt... that said for most of you I'm a stranger on a computer on the other side of the world, don't give me that sort of power!
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    the adult industry was an example of what is already under attacked for allegedly objectifying women, the wuestion was how far overboard we might go, I wasn't actually talking about protecting people in it. I also wonder if were we to restrict this sort of advertising is it a free speech issue.
    As far as what I meant by conditioning, it is my experience that children who are insecure in terms of appearance often come from households with parents that are insecure or who go overboard with their appearance; I think that has a bigger impact on kids at a formative age.
    adults are not immune from the same insecurites as children anyway

    I agree that adults aren't immune - but then it's no wonder children are coming from households with insecure parents & then having problems themselves. I believe I've read studies, though, that indicate pretty clearly that media has an impact on children that it's hard for even the best parents to mitigate.

    I think most people would like to see self-censorship of the media out of their own sense of personal responsibility rather than legislative restrictions that may or may not be a free speech issue. But since you brought up the adult industry & free speech - do you think it's a violation of free speech for it to be illegal to subject children to "adult" entertainment? If not, and if sexual marketing to children is found to have similar "harm", then why not restrict sexual marketing to children as well?
  • I think that it's right that they aren't allowed in certain events or places due to the sexual content etc but i see that as no different from not allowing a child in a bar. In terms of just regular access to porn, I think older children will find it anyway and are aware of its existance, I understand the fear of sexualising children to young but at the same time I feel that placing restrictions on anything makes it all the more desirable and taboo which attracts children. for example I was brought up being allowed a little wine with my dinner or a sip of whiskey if I asked and hence when i was a teenager and started going out and drinking properly i never felt the need to lie to my parents about it like the majority of my friends. i don't know if I think porn should be banned to under 18s, although with the internet it can't be anyway. i don't think many burlesque type entertainments where participants wear more than most women on the beach should be
    I don't mean to offend anyone, a lot of what I say should be taken with a grain of salt... that said for most of you I'm a stranger on a computer on the other side of the world, don't give me that sort of power!
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    I have an associates degree in media marketing and this whole topic is a big reason it has made me sick to my stomach and I've gotten away from it. Sellers and marketers have no souls. Their primary reason to work/live is to manipulate the public into buying whatever garbage they have to sell. And that means exploitation of women and children. Also, children in general is a huge target of the media and studies show that the media has more influence over kids than parents do. Think of all the symbols, logos and media messages we see every day. Double that for kids, because they are more attentive to the media than adults are.

    A huge issue I have right now in the media is the dumbing down of society. Watch how many ads/messages you see where it portrays an adult being dumb. It's everywhere, and it's dumbing society down because society can't help but relate to the media. It's all a part of the agenda. It's funny because men and women both are usually the one's made to look stupid in these ads. But that's how marketers and sellers enslave the public.
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,164
    Legos for girls? Woo hoo!
    Now my kids will stops fighting over them!


    Blame the internet. The proliferation of pornography has tainted the world and hurt the feminist agenda in many many ways.
  • does that mean you are generally against porn... or just the saturation of it?
    As I've said I think the feminist agenda in the Western world has very little left to reasonably fight for anyway... but you don't think you can be employed in porn and still be a feminist?
    I don't mean to offend anyone, a lot of what I say should be taken with a grain of salt... that said for most of you I'm a stranger on a computer on the other side of the world, don't give me that sort of power!
  • ShimmyMommy
    ShimmyMommy Posts: 7,505
    I thought this was very interesting...it was also posted on the FB page for the movie.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hibyAJOS ... re=related
    Lots of love, light and hugs to you all!