Miss Representation

ShimmyMommy · January 2012

I just happened to see this documentary on on TV.

I thought it was very thought provoking and worth a post. I feel it would be an interesting discussion to have.

http://vimeo.com/18985647

DS1119 · January 2012

That interview may be edited but at 1:58!!

:shock:

ShimmyMommy · January 2012

DS1119 wrote:

That interview may be edited but at 1:58!! :shock:

After watching the whole film...I have to say I don't think so...but again...I can't be sure...

What caught my attention is what the young girls are saying about how they feel about themselves... :(

your move now · January 2012

I don't see how that 1.58 comment can be excused through any editing.

Generally speaking I think there are a lot of reasons outside of sexism that there are less women in positions of power. The other thing which is just me playing devils' advocate is that kids and teenagers are easily influenced by the media which is the point but for the past 10 or 15 years at least the media has also been full of this sort of 'what is it doing to self-image' type of thing so maybe that's why the kids say it as well... and feel it.

I know it's not necessarily a popular opinion especially among women my age but I wish femminism would just piss off and shut up - once upon a time it meant something but now the things that they claim to be fighting for are to me not a result of sexism but of many other issues

DS1119 · January 2012

ShimmyMommy wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

That interview may be edited but at 1:58!! :shock:

After watching the whole film...I have to say I don't think so...but again...I can't be sure...

What caught my attention is what the young girls are saying about how they feel about themselves... :(

I didn't finish my thought there as I was distracted by the foot ball game

but if it's not edited, for a man to come on television and bring up mood swings...PMS...all that stuff? Just excuses. I'm more moody than a woman could ever dream of being. It's not a gender thing, it's a personality thing. I have always said that I thought Hillary Clinton would be a wonderful Presidant of the US if only here politics and beliefs didn't suck.

She's a wonderful leader and wonderful public speaker! I need to stop before I turn this into the moving train...and that's why I stay out of theat forum.

DS1119 · January 2012

your move now wrote:

I don't see how that 1.58 comment can be excused through any editing.

Generally speaking I think there are a lot of reasons outside of sexism that there are less women in positions of power. The other thing which is just me playing devils' advocate is that kids and teenagers are easily influenced by the media which is the point but for the past 10 or 15 years at least the media has also been full of this sort of 'what is it doing to self-image' type of thing so maybe that's why the kids say it as well... and feel it.

I know it's not necessarily a popular opinion especially among women my age but I wish femminism would just piss off and shut up - once upon a time it meant something but now the things that they claim to be fighting for are to me not a result of sexism but of many other issues

What I meant with that was if he was remarking sarcastically in response to something else and it was edited together or cut short before he could explain his comments. Think of it this way...take a clip of a famous political figure just saying "no" and have someone keep asking questions and they keep editing that person saying no...follow what I trying to say?

your move now · January 2012

but you would have thought that they all have enough media training to know not to make that sort of flippant comment... unless he thought he was being amusing which would say even worse things for his character

ShimmyMommy · January 2012

your move now wrote:

I don't see how that 1.58 comment can be excused through any editing.

Generally speaking I think there are a lot of reasons outside of sexism that there are less women in positions of power. The other thing which is just me playing devils' advocate is that kids and teenagers are easily influenced by the media which is the point but for the past 10 or 15 years at least the media has also been full of this sort of 'what is it doing to self-image' type of thing so maybe that's why the kids say it as well... and feel it.

I know it's not necessarily a popular opinion especially among women my age but I wish femminism would just piss off and shut up - once upon a time it meant something but now the things that they claim to be fighting for are to me not a result of sexism but of many other issues

In the film they talk about many of the issues of why this is happening. It was also interesting to see how media has "defined" women through the years. To my knowledge, this film was not made by a feminist, but by a new mother of a baby girl, who, as any new parent, wonders what kind of world our children will be growing up in.

your move now · January 2012

ok maybe the trailer misrepresents the point of the film

DS1119 · January 2012

your move now wrote:

but you would have thought that they all have enough media training to know not to make that sort of flippant comment... unless he thought he was being amusing which would say even worse things for his character

I haven't watched the full interview so I can't comment...but you and I are both have sales experience and I know I can paint people into certain corners verbally at times if I want.

ShimmyMommy · January 2012

your move now wrote:

but you would have thought that they all have enough media training to know not to make that sort of flippant comment... unless he thought he was being amusing which would say even worse things for his character

They actually have other clips of other men (and some women :shock: ) also making those comments, and not in a flippant way. I don't watch a lot of the news and celebrity stuff...so I don't know if they actually censor themselves anymore.

your move now · January 2012

yeah ok,.. point taken DS1119

DS1119 · January 2012

ShimmyMommy wrote:

your move now wrote:

but you would have thought that they all have enough media training to know not to make that sort of flippant comment... unless he thought he was being amusing which would say even worse things for his character

They actually have other clips of other men (and some women :shock: ) also making those comments, and not in a flippant way. I don't watch a lot of the news and celebrity stuff...so I don't know if they actually censor themselves anymore.

You need to post in this thread BTW...you're right up there!!

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=180276&hilit=posts

DS1119 · January 2012

your move now wrote:

yeah ok,.. point taken DS1119

It's either that or me being a lesbian trapped in a man's body...but we don't need to start that discussion again.

your move now · January 2012

as much fun as that was I don't think we need to go there again yet

_ · January 2012

your move now wrote:

I don't see how that 1.58 comment can be excused through any editing.

Generally speaking I think there are a lot of reasons outside of sexism that there are less women in positions of power. The other thing which is just me playing devils' advocate is that kids and teenagers are easily influenced by the media which is the point but for the past 10 or 15 years at least the media has also been full of this sort of 'what is it doing to self-image' type of thing so maybe that's why the kids say it as well... and feel it.

I know it's not necessarily a popular opinion especially among women my age but I wish femminism would just piss off and shut up - once upon a time it meant something but now the things that they claim to be fighting for are to me not a result of sexism but of many other issues

There are many forms of feminism fighting from various perspectives, so I'm having trouble understanding what you're saying here - and how it relates to your opinion about the film.

your move now · January 2012

_ wrote:

your move now wrote:

I don't see how that 1.58 comment can be excused through any editing.

Generally speaking I think there are a lot of reasons outside of sexism that there are less women in positions of power. The other thing which is just me playing devils' advocate is that kids and teenagers are easily influenced by the media which is the point but for the past 10 or 15 years at least the media has also been full of this sort of 'what is it doing to self-image' type of thing so maybe that's why the kids say it as well... and feel it.

I know it's not necessarily a popular opinion especially among women my age but I wish femminism would just piss off and shut up - once upon a time it meant something but now the things that they claim to be fighting for are to me not a result of sexism but of many other issues

There are many forms of feminism fighting from various perspectives, so I'm having trouble understanding what you're saying here - and how it relates to your opinion about the film.

the trailer mentions the idea of women in congress/positions of power and the divide in male/female desire to get there based on age. I took this as femminist agenda. My point was that in my experience feminism in Australia - obviously different in countries where there is a more extreme gender divide - is unnecessary and to me doing more harm than good. The feminist agenda in modern Australia and I would assume the US is similar but can't speak from experience so much there is that their demands are unreasonable and not based in common sense and its not something I can respect and it disappoints me but i'll stop at that because this isn't the forum for it

_ · January 2012

your move now wrote:

_ wrote:

your move now wrote:

I don't see how that 1.58 comment can be excused through any editing.

Generally speaking I think there are a lot of reasons outside of sexism that there are less women in positions of power. The other thing which is just me playing devils' advocate is that kids and teenagers are easily influenced by the media which is the point but for the past 10 or 15 years at least the media has also been full of this sort of 'what is it doing to self-image' type of thing so maybe that's why the kids say it as well... and feel it.

I know it's not necessarily a popular opinion especially among women my age but I wish femminism would just piss off and shut up - once upon a time it meant something but now the things that they claim to be fighting for are to me not a result of sexism but of many other issues

There are many forms of feminism fighting from various perspectives, so I'm having trouble understanding what you're saying here - and how it relates to your opinion about the film.

the trailer mentions the idea of women in congress/positions of power and the divide in male/female desire to get there based on age. I took this as femminist agenda. My point was that in my experience feminism in Australia - obviously different in countries where there is a more extreme gender divide - is unnecessary and to me doing more harm than good. The feminist agenda in modern Australia and I would assume the US is similar but can't speak from experience so much there is that their demands are unreasonable and not based in common sense and its not something I can respect and it disappoints me but i'll stop at that because this isn't the forum for it

I'm still confused about what exactly you're identifying as the feminist agenda of this film. To point out the imbalance of women & men in positions of power and the difference in male/female desire to get there based on age? To point out these differences & attribute them to sexism? To point out these differences & attribute them to the media? To criticize the media and/or sexism?

By equating this film with a feminist agenda, are you saying the film itself is unnecessary & makes unreasonable demands that are not based in common sense, that you can't respect it, and that it's doing more harm than good?

I'm just trying to understand your criticism here.

your move now · January 2012

ok misunderstood your question, I think based on what has been said the trailer doesn't represent the film as well as it should because having watched only the trailer I came away with the understanding that it was blaming the media for sexism and that that is the reason for female inequality. but it has been said that with the whole film that is not the agenda, which mooted my point

Pap · January 2012

Very interesting. Thanks for posting it.

stargirl69 · January 2012

I am going to look out for this ... very interesting

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