* Kelly Curtis Q&A Redux *

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  • Phish and DMB are nowhere near as popular in Europe as Pearl Jam, fact!

    You conveniently left out the Foo Fighters who could be classed as a similar act in stature to PJ with fans of a similar age. Their tours are probably bigger these days, I think that's a huge factor here, PJ just don't play enough shows to satisfy demand.

    Phish and DMB's popularity in Europe has nothing to do with it. The point is that in the US they are immensely popular and have ticket systems that are smooth and successful. The demand for Phish's NYE shows are greater than any PJ does, and yet they are able to do a smooth onsale for it. Obviously the lottery system would kill PJ fans that are used to getting everything they want, but it's a better way of handling demand than having people spend three days TRYING for tickets, and some still getting shut out.

    I didn't conveniently leave out the Foo Fighters. The Foo Fighters have an smooth ticketing system as well, so I don't really see how that would do anything to bolster anything Kelly said.
  • LisaJoelleLisaJoelle Calgary Posts: 1
    Thank you so much for putting the answers all in one place. Great fans being great, to other fans. xo
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  • Mamasan80 wrote:

    Phish and DMB's popularity in Europe has nothing to do with it. The point is that in the US they are immensely popular and have ticket systems that are smooth and successful. The demand for Phish's NYE shows are greater than any PJ does, and yet they are able to do a smooth onsale for it. Obviously the lottery system would kill PJ fans that are used to getting everything they want, but it's a better way of handling demand than having people spend three days TRYING for tickets, and some still getting shut out.

    I didn't conveniently leave out the Foo Fighters. The Foo Fighters have an smooth ticketing system as well, so I don't really see how that would do anything to bolster anything Kelly said.

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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,970
    phish fans are more exreme than pearl jam fans, they will line up 3 days in advance at the msg ticket office for the hopes of a cancellation for the new years eve show. however, the other 3 shows did sell out but you can easily purchase a ticket on sites we can't talk about here for a very low price. the one show you metnion on new years eve is the show to go (as i've been to 2 nye phish shows at msg) but any msg show for pj is comparable.
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  • mcgruff10 wrote:
    phish fans are more exreme than pearl jam fans, they will line up 3 days in advance at the msg ticket office for the hopes of a cancellation for the new years eve show. however, the other 3 shows did sell out but you can easily purchase a ticket on sites we can't talk about here for a very low price. the one show you metnion on new years eve is the show to go (as i've been to 2 nye phish shows at msg) but any msg show for pj is comparable.

    Really dude? Cause I know myself and about 400 others slept outside of Tower Records in 2006 for an Irving Plaza ticket... and then we slept at Irving Plaza to get on the rail.
  • AzWicker wrote:
    I wonder if the promoters are launching denial of service attacks so they can get the 10club tickets back to sell at retai prices?
    This is absolutely not out of the question. After all, during the online sale the "servers were humming along".

    The Conspricy Theorist in me would say :arrow: The faceless corporate juggernaut of power and greed aka The Machine prevented Pearl Jam from selling their own tickets to their own fans. There is smoke rising from the grassy knoll folks. Those David Lynchian old dudes that Stone was describing in the PJ20 movie during their ticketmaster court appearance sequence - THOSE guys are smirking in the smoke-filled back rooms. Down in the dark cavernous corridors - the mechanized depths of The Machine.

    But the fact is that this possibility is just too real to ignore. As The Dude's logic would ask, look to those who have benefitted here...




    Disclaimer: Absolutely no disrepect is meant in this post towards those that missed out on getting tickets. I feel your pain and hope that some how some way you get to at least 1 of your shows
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  • Why didn't any ask about the link between CrowdSurge and the 10C membership database server? I seem to remember during the PJ20 presale issues there was talk FROM 10C about issues with the programming of the membership database. That it was hanging when they were verifying 10C membership. Seems to me the quickest way for CrowdSource to verify 10C membership would be to talk to the 10C membership database, which may in fact be where the problem lies. Either there is a bug in the way the database is set up, or there is an issue with the link between the membership database and the ticket sales system.

    I've seen mid-level companies spend tens of thousands of dollars on servers and video conferencing codecs, and then try to pass everything out of the office on a residential ADSL line. 1.5Mbps download, 384kbps upload. Doesn't work so well. The probably isn't the servers, it's the pipeline.
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,970
    mamasan80, i definintely stand corrected. I forgot aobut that one.
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  • This is absolutely not out of the question. After all, during the online sale the "servers were humming along".

    The Conspricy Theorist in me would say :arrow: The faceless corporate juggernaut of power and greed aka The Machine prevented Pearl Jam from selling their own tickets to their own fans. There is smoke rising from the grassy knoll folks. Those David Lynchian old dudes that Stone was describing in the PJ20 movie during their ticketmaster court appearance sequence - THOSE guys are smirking in the smoke-filled back rooms. Down in the dark cavernous corridors - the mechanized depths of The Machine.

    But the fact is that this possibility is just too real to ignore. As The Dude's logic would ask, look to those who have benefitted here...{quote]

    This theory is pretty silly, no? "The Machine" waited until Pearl Jam was the least popular they'd ever been, and THEN decided to throw a wrench into their ability to sell tickets? It also doesn't make much sense. The tickets DO SELL at retail prices, and the service charges just wouldn't make this worthwhile. Say PJ has 5000 tickets to one of these shows (and that would be on the VERY high side), that's maybe $20K in service fees that TM would be making (though that number would of course be considerably less once you add in the expense of taking down the system as you suggest.) On a 10 show tour, we're talking about a max of $200K that TM would be losing out on. So, the idea is that a company that makes ~$750M a year in gross profit is taking the time and effort to sabotage PJ's onsale for $200K? I really can't buy into that one.
  • I would bet... that they were humming along cuz it's a software issue or something... 200 people on here and the forum crashes. Can't be their servers not being able to handle it, but something else in their construction that fucks it up. Or?

    But, my questuion is still how they (Kellys and ppl) came to the conclusion of Sabotage. He himself admits "they don't know", how did "we don't know" turn into Sabotage? The conclusion of "there must be someone else" feels like me to be denial, when they "don't have a clue" what it could be.
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  • Abe_Froman wrote:
    Why didn't any ask about the link between CrowdSurge and the 10C membership database server? I seem to remember during the PJ20 presale issues there was talk FROM 10C about issues with the programming of the membership database. That it was hanging when they were verifying 10C membership. Seems to me the quickest way for CrowdSource to verify 10C membership would be to talk to the 10C membership database, which may in fact be where the problem lies. Either there is a bug in the way the database is set up, or there is an issue with the link between the membership database and the ticket sales system.

    I've seen mid-level companies spend tens of thousands of dollars on servers and video conferencing codecs, and then try to pass everything out of the office on a residential ADSL line. 1.5Mbps download, 384kbps upload. Doesn't work so well. The probably isn't the servers, it's the pipeline.

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  • I did... No answer...
    I would bet... that they were humming along cuz it's a software issue or something... 200 people on here and the forum crashes. Can't be their servers not being able to handle it, but something else in their construction that fucks it up. Or?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Thank you for the summary! It's all a bit clearer now...
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  • jmkjmk Posts: 425
    Thanks for this! I a curious about the Ten Club wristband thing for the seating tickets. I have a seating ticket to Stockholm. Maybe early entry for the soundcheck :D
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  • iamicaiamica Chicago Posts: 2,628
    Thanks to KK for answering questions. At least they're trying to communicate.
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  • Thanks for cleaning this up and making it easier to read
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,454
    Big thanks for doing this. I give him a lot of credit for coming on, but I do think it is strange the way he just suddenly logged off like he did.
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  • JimmyV wrote:
    Big thanks for doing this. I give him a lot of credit for coming on, but I do think it is strange the way he just suddenly logged off like he did.
    nice question btw jimmy, and i agree very strange
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