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  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    g under p wrote:

    No I do think his home was immune to his offensive acts or anywhere else. That's one thing but it's another to assume that his wife and others in the home knew. I say this because I once taught pre-school and on our soccer and softball fields were used we had a child molester who molested children while parents, coaches, officials and myself were right there on the field. We didn't suspect anything at the time till sometime later he revealed he did such acts in another school and on that field. He's now searving 25-life sentence.

    These people who do these horrendous crimes are slick/sly in what they do so I question how we can just assume his wife and sons must automatically know he did these things at home. I do certainly think he did them there.

    Peace

    On a football/soccer field, parents don’t think twice about a coach patting their kid on the butt. Kids don’t think anything is wrong and parents don’t get alarmed when a coach squeezes their child’s thighs to make sure there’s no bruising. This can go on and on, but as you and the parents discovered a pedophile needs more, and, his actions eventually get him caught.

    I read the grand jury report http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011 ... ument.html
    everything seems to be about Sandusky’s actions on the grounds of Penn State and we have seen the fallout of how many people knew [by word of mouth] and didn’t notify the police, Yet, they are bigger news then Sandusky.

    Sandusky brought this activity into his home. Now you may have convinced me, had this been a onetime thing or when the family was away; however, Sandusky was bringing these kids home to sleep in the basement on multiple occasions, along with overnight family outings, and overnight trips and this had been ongoing for years. I am sorry, a person can feel when something is wrong in their home because their demeanor changes, the atmosphere in the home changes [just like when your friend calls and you automatically sense something is wrong by the tone of their voice even though they claim everything is alright].

    She knew
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,389
    This is what boggles my mind .... Penn State and everyone involved has been aware of the grand jury investigation for over two years .... yet seemed caught off-guard when the charges were released. They had two years to prep some spin for a worst-case scenario and fumbled it worse then Phillip Rivers trying to ice a game.

    And if Paterno had retired last year, I don't think we would have seen 1/10th of the fallout that we are currently witnessing. The leadership at Penn State truly is responsible for the damage being inflicted to the school's reputation.
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  • shadowcast
    shadowcast Posts: 2,355
    If this is true this story just is about to blow up. If that is even possible.

    http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandu ... adden.html
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    polaris_x wrote:
    there are two things really ... sandusky and the culture of entitlement at penn state ... someone posted a link in the AET thread that there have been like over 150 sexual assault charges against athletes and students and none of them have stuck ... this is an organization that enabled this kind of behaviour across the board ... and now they are going down in utter disgrace ..

    Priorities are so fucked up. Seeing that we worship athletes in this country so much, this was bound to happen. And will continue to happen. This is just one instance where they actually got caught.
    I don't know what's more disturbing; the actual details of the case or the students rallying that the coach should keep his job!
  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,840
    I don't understand how people can stage a protest in support of Jo Pa. Smashing car windows, etc?

    Blind faith/unconditional devotion can be very dangerous!
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,389
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    Blind faith/unconditional devotion can be very dangerous!
    I think you just defined the underlying theory behind most of the debates on AMT.

    :shh: .... :mrgreen:
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  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,840
    Jason P wrote:
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    Blind faith/unconditional devotion can be very dangerous!
    I think you just defined the underlying theory behind most of the debates on AMT.

    :shh: .... :mrgreen:


    I agree!

    Imagine how different the debates would be if no one knew the identity of the people/countries/religions being discussed.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,659
    shadowcast wrote:
    I really think this is just the tip of the iceberg. I think there are a lot more people involved in the cover up and mre kids which is just awful.

    How about the young & dumb Penn State students last night. If I would see my son in that crowd I would have been pist.

    It sends a horrible message to kids who have been sexually abused. If any of you Penn State people are reading this, please stop!
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,844
    i don't normally read or post editorials, but this is a pretty good one that sums up how i feel. this is from phil taylor of sports illustrated...

    November 14, 2011
    Pity The Children
    PHIL TAYLOR

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... AG1191967/

    The Second Mile, the charitable organization founded by then Penn State assistant coach Jerry Sandusky in 1977 to provide a sanctuary for children in need, takes its name from the Bible, Matthew 5:41, a quotation from the Sermon on the Mount. "And whoever compels you to go one mile," it reads, "go with him two." The passage is about doing more than just the minimum, especially in aid of others. One of the saddest ironies of the sexual abuse charges against Sandusky that stunned and sickened the nation last weekend is that if the allegations that he assaulted eight boys over a 15-year period are true, he may have been allowed to prey on those children in large part because no one at Penn State would go that second mile for his victims.

    We can dismiss the perversions of an accused sexual predator as forever beyond our understanding, but not the charges against Penn State athletic director Tim Curley and senior vice president for finance and business Gary Schultz (who both professed their innocence but submitted their resignations on Sunday night). The two stand accused of failing to report possible evidence of Sandusky's crimes to authorities, as required by law, then perjuring themselves when they denied to a grand jury that they had ever been told that Sandusky had engaged in sexual misconduct. We imagine ourselves in their place and think, Wouldn't we have done more? How could an adult with even an ounce of humanity do so little to protect children?

    The behavior of which Curley and Schultz are accused sounds like the actions of administrators trying to hide an NCAA violation instead of a reprehensible crime, and maybe that's not a coincidence. A cover-up culture pervades big-time college sports. Your quarterback traded memorabilia for tattoos? Keep it to yourself. Agents paid the rent for your tailback's parents? Pretend you didn't know about it. The goal is to protect the program at all costs, and maybe it shouldn't be surprising if, even in the face of such horrors, the first instinct was to place the institution ahead of the innocents.

    Penn State officials seem to have been more concerned with protecting the school's reputation for ethical behavior than with actually displaying some. How else to explain their not following up a University Police investigation of a shower incident involving Sandusky and a boy in 1998, and then reacting to a second incident in 2002 by merely telling him not to bring any more children on campus? We don't want to know what you're doing with those boys, but whatever it is, don't do it here.

    If the authorities are correct, what happened at Penn State is the worst scandal in college sports history, and any university employee who had knowledge of the accusations against Sandusky and chose to protect the school's reputation rather than protect innocent children is culpable—including Joe Paterno, the Nittany Lions' iconic coach. The grand jury report absolved him of legal blame, but not the moral kind. According to the report, a graduate assistant found Sandusky engaged in a sexual act with a boy who appeared to be 10 years old in the shower area of the football practice facility in 2002 and informed Paterno of what he had seen. Paterno reported the incident to Curley, but there is no indication that the coach ever followed up on the information or alerted the authorities himself.

    That is not the way a pillar of the community behaves. Paterno is not some middle manager who came upon a problem beyond his pay grade and reported it to his boss. Joe Paterno has no boss. He is the face of the university, the most powerful and, until now perhaps, the most respected man in Happy Valley. He should have used that power to make sure the assistant's claim was investigated fully. How many boys might have been spared if Paterno had arranged for the grad student to meet with police? What if he had gone the second mile?

    In his statement Paterno acknowledged speaking with the assistant. "It was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the Grand Jury report," his statement said. "Regardless, it was clear that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky. As Coach Sandusky was retired from our coaching staff at that time, I referred the matter to university administrators."

    So, the distraught young coach went to Paterno's home and described an inappropriate incident involving Sandusky and a boy. How graphic did his description need to be for Paterno to get more involved? And what earthly difference did it make that Sandusky was retired? Did that somehow make his behavior more acceptable, or was it simply a matter of, Not our employee, not our problem?

    It boggles the mind, as does the thought of what twisted calculations might have convinced Penn State officials that essentially ignoring such a red flag was a prudent course of action. The embarrassment of admitting that they had a predator among them could not have been nearly as damning as what they face today. If there is some explanation for why they should not be considered both fools and cowards, let them offer it now. Otherwise, any Penn State employee who was complicit in a cover-up of Sandusky's alleged crimes should follow Curley and Schultz out the door. Box up their belongings and drive them a mile from campus. From there, let them walk a second one.

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  • shadowcast
    shadowcast Posts: 2,355
    DA went missing after investigating Sandusky.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky- ... d=14905668
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  • shadowcast
    shadowcast Posts: 2,355
    What a fucking animal.