JoePa
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What a joke here's a quote from him yesterday “They don’t deserve it...we owe it to them to say a prayer for them and to make sure that they understand that their life is one that can be enriched.”
Really? Less praying and more calling the cops you ass hat. Fire him!!! I'm sure these poor kids are really happy your praying for them now.
This reminds me of the Catholic Church cover up.
Really? Less praying and more calling the cops you ass hat. Fire him!!! I'm sure these poor kids are really happy your praying for them now.
This reminds me of the Catholic Church cover up.
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Cuz everytime some pervert rapes a kid- "It reminds me of the Catholic Church."
anyways....
Penn St is now Ped St., and yes, they should all be fired. Even Joe Pa.
My question is this: the janitor or whoever (I haven't read enough details) that saw this occurring in the showers and went to someone who went to Joe Pa.... why the hell did he not do anything right then and there? I don't care who you are, a janitor, or higher up... you do something when you see that happening. Right then. Right there. Maybe dial 9-11 first... maybe dial after. But, do something. I mean, to walk away... then tell a supervisor. Is this really what happened? If so, that's crazy. I would have immediately ran over, broke it up... and told the dude to get the F out of there. Even if he was bigger than me. I would have then called the police. I would not have gone to my "supervisor" until after all the above happened.
This whole thing sickens me from the details I've heard. Our society is so warped.
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Asshole should be fired in disgrace, and should NOT be allowed to coach the final home game.
I agree that the janitor and his buddies should have called the police. The police should have been on the campus even before JoePa knew of the incident.
Along with all the people being charged in the case, someone needs to tell me, WHY the wife hasn’t been put in handcuffs. This f—k was molesting children in her HOME. SHE KNEW. This f—k was taking these kids on family trips, SHE KNEW. SHE KNEW, and DID NOTHING, SAID NOTHING. This f—k was adopting kid and housing foster kids and SHE KNEW he had a PROBLEM. SHE KNEW he ‘loved’ CHILDEN. SHE KNEW he ‘loved’ being with young BOYS. SHE KNEW her marriage was a fake and SHE DID NOTHING.
SHE could have stopped HIM. SHE should have reported HIM to the authorities. HELL, his sons had to be suspicious, instead they all protected their dirty little family secrets.
I've yet to read anything about the wife.... but good point(s). I say fire them all. I don't care how long the coach has been at the school. Some mistakes/oversights/transgressions are unforgivable. Coach should be gone, athletic director, any university higher-up/representative that was aware of the cover-up should be fired.
Quasi-forcing the coach to retire at the end of the season isn't a severe enough punishment. They should all be fired by the weekend or yesterday
Actually, I think the public response shows an improved society. Younger people have a dialogue about abuse and trauma and appropriate responses. Grampy Joe probably couldn't get his head around it at the time and operated in a fog of denial about it, i.e. thinking that someone needs to tell that guy to knock whatever the hell he's doing off and then he'll stop and then we can carry on like nothing happened. They all have to go, but I feel bad for the rest of the Penn State community that didn't have anything to do with it. I'd be floored if it was my school.
I'm just curious but how do you know Sandusky's wife knew what he apparently was doing with boys in his house and elsewhere? Its one thing to be suspicious but you or I don't know the living conditions in their home....he might of been THE dominant household figure and no one in that home dared question what he did...some homes are just like that.
[url=Http://deadspin.com/5856777/a-guide-to-the-sexual-child-abuse-charges-against-jerry-sandusky-and-to-penn-states-alleged-willful-ignorance]Http://deadspin.com/5856777/a-guide-to- ... -ignorance[/url]
This tells some of the sequence of events on how no one from McQueary on up did nothing to stop the continuation of abuse of children. There was a serious cover up that started with Mike McQueary-J McQueary-Joe Pa-Shultz-Curly-Spainer THEY ALL knew about the 2002 incident.....this will not go away anytime soon.
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paterno is out. fired by the board tonight.
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/45233483/ ... _football/
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
this has been my problem with the coverage as well. We have a man who molested/raped children and all the focus is on whether or not the grad assistant should have done more. Morally, I suppose he should have. I like to think I would have...but to sit here and crucify everyone else involved while ignoring the real problem is sad...Sandusky is a piece of garbage and should never see the light of day as a free man again...Paterno should have been fired, he made a poor choice and choices should have consequences... Too bad really, as far as football goes, the guy ran a clean program...too bad he didn't run a clean coaching staff.
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Really, that’s like asking how does a person know when they are being cheating on! The signs were there, she knew and chose to ignore and dismiss them, just like the rest of them. So what if he was a dominant and controlling ‘man of the house’ type person, bottomline Sandusky is a pedophile, his actions were those of a pedophile. Sandusky preyed on children, he was obsessed, and he used his power and influence as part of Penn State and Second Mile to garden children in order to satisfy his pedophile needs, even at the risk of ruining the reputation of Penn State and Second Mile. So do you really think his HOME was immune to satisfying his pedophile needs, NO? He repeatedly brought those kids into his home and sexually assaulted them. He repeatedly took them on overnight family trips and outings and sexually assaulted them; and you think She was clueless? Just because She may have been afraid to speak up, She knew, and just like those who turned on blind eye on campus, She turned a blind eye to what was going on in her own home, and She should be lumped into that group being investigated for criminal negligence.
No I do think his home was immune to his offensive acts or anywhere else. That's one thing but it's another to assume that his wife and others in the home knew. I say this because I once taught pre-school and on our soccer and softball fields were used we had a child molester who molested children while parents, coaches, officials and myself were right there on the field. We didn't suspect anything at the time till sometime later he revealed he did such acts in another school and on that field. He's now searving 25-life sentence.
These people who do these horrendous crimes are slick/sly in what they do so I question how we can just assume his wife and sons must automatically know he did these things at home. I do certainly think he did them there.
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How about the young & dumb Penn State students last night. If I would see my son in that crowd I would have been pist.
'Just wait 'til the lawsuits start flying. This university is going to get absolutely ripped.
On a football/soccer field, parents don’t think twice about a coach patting their kid on the butt. Kids don’t think anything is wrong and parents don’t get alarmed when a coach squeezes their child’s thighs to make sure there’s no bruising. This can go on and on, but as you and the parents discovered a pedophile needs more, and, his actions eventually get him caught.
I read the grand jury report http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011 ... ument.html
everything seems to be about Sandusky’s actions on the grounds of Penn State and we have seen the fallout of how many people knew [by word of mouth] and didn’t notify the police, Yet, they are bigger news then Sandusky.
Sandusky brought this activity into his home. Now you may have convinced me, had this been a onetime thing or when the family was away; however, Sandusky was bringing these kids home to sleep in the basement on multiple occasions, along with overnight family outings, and overnight trips and this had been ongoing for years. I am sorry, a person can feel when something is wrong in their home because their demeanor changes, the atmosphere in the home changes [just like when your friend calls and you automatically sense something is wrong by the tone of their voice even though they claim everything is alright].
She knew
And if Paterno had retired last year, I don't think we would have seen 1/10th of the fallout that we are currently witnessing. The leadership at Penn State truly is responsible for the damage being inflicted to the school's reputation.
http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandu ... adden.html
Priorities are so fucked up. Seeing that we worship athletes in this country so much, this was bound to happen. And will continue to happen. This is just one instance where they actually got caught.
I don't know what's more disturbing; the actual details of the case or the students rallying that the coach should keep his job!
Blind faith/unconditional devotion can be very dangerous!
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I agree!
Imagine how different the debates would be if no one knew the identity of the people/countries/religions being discussed.
It sends a horrible message to kids who have been sexually abused. If any of you Penn State people are reading this, please stop!
November 14, 2011
Pity The Children
PHIL TAYLOR
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... AG1191967/
The Second Mile, the charitable organization founded by then Penn State assistant coach Jerry Sandusky in 1977 to provide a sanctuary for children in need, takes its name from the Bible, Matthew 5:41, a quotation from the Sermon on the Mount. "And whoever compels you to go one mile," it reads, "go with him two." The passage is about doing more than just the minimum, especially in aid of others. One of the saddest ironies of the sexual abuse charges against Sandusky that stunned and sickened the nation last weekend is that if the allegations that he assaulted eight boys over a 15-year period are true, he may have been allowed to prey on those children in large part because no one at Penn State would go that second mile for his victims.
We can dismiss the perversions of an accused sexual predator as forever beyond our understanding, but not the charges against Penn State athletic director Tim Curley and senior vice president for finance and business Gary Schultz (who both professed their innocence but submitted their resignations on Sunday night). The two stand accused of failing to report possible evidence of Sandusky's crimes to authorities, as required by law, then perjuring themselves when they denied to a grand jury that they had ever been told that Sandusky had engaged in sexual misconduct. We imagine ourselves in their place and think, Wouldn't we have done more? How could an adult with even an ounce of humanity do so little to protect children?
The behavior of which Curley and Schultz are accused sounds like the actions of administrators trying to hide an NCAA violation instead of a reprehensible crime, and maybe that's not a coincidence. A cover-up culture pervades big-time college sports. Your quarterback traded memorabilia for tattoos? Keep it to yourself. Agents paid the rent for your tailback's parents? Pretend you didn't know about it. The goal is to protect the program at all costs, and maybe it shouldn't be surprising if, even in the face of such horrors, the first instinct was to place the institution ahead of the innocents.
Penn State officials seem to have been more concerned with protecting the school's reputation for ethical behavior than with actually displaying some. How else to explain their not following up a University Police investigation of a shower incident involving Sandusky and a boy in 1998, and then reacting to a second incident in 2002 by merely telling him not to bring any more children on campus? We don't want to know what you're doing with those boys, but whatever it is, don't do it here.
If the authorities are correct, what happened at Penn State is the worst scandal in college sports history, and any university employee who had knowledge of the accusations against Sandusky and chose to protect the school's reputation rather than protect innocent children is culpable—including Joe Paterno, the Nittany Lions' iconic coach. The grand jury report absolved him of legal blame, but not the moral kind. According to the report, a graduate assistant found Sandusky engaged in a sexual act with a boy who appeared to be 10 years old in the shower area of the football practice facility in 2002 and informed Paterno of what he had seen. Paterno reported the incident to Curley, but there is no indication that the coach ever followed up on the information or alerted the authorities himself.
That is not the way a pillar of the community behaves. Paterno is not some middle manager who came upon a problem beyond his pay grade and reported it to his boss. Joe Paterno has no boss. He is the face of the university, the most powerful and, until now perhaps, the most respected man in Happy Valley. He should have used that power to make sure the assistant's claim was investigated fully. How many boys might have been spared if Paterno had arranged for the grad student to meet with police? What if he had gone the second mile?
In his statement Paterno acknowledged speaking with the assistant. "It was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the Grand Jury report," his statement said. "Regardless, it was clear that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky. As Coach Sandusky was retired from our coaching staff at that time, I referred the matter to university administrators."
So, the distraught young coach went to Paterno's home and described an inappropriate incident involving Sandusky and a boy. How graphic did his description need to be for Paterno to get more involved? And what earthly difference did it make that Sandusky was retired? Did that somehow make his behavior more acceptable, or was it simply a matter of, Not our employee, not our problem?
It boggles the mind, as does the thought of what twisted calculations might have convinced Penn State officials that essentially ignoring such a red flag was a prudent course of action. The embarrassment of admitting that they had a predator among them could not have been nearly as damning as what they face today. If there is some explanation for why they should not be considered both fools and cowards, let them offer it now. Otherwise, any Penn State employee who was complicit in a cover-up of Sandusky's alleged crimes should follow Curley and Schultz out the door. Box up their belongings and drive them a mile from campus. From there, let them walk a second one.
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