Earn academic credit for picketing against abortion
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inlet13 wrote:cincybearcat wrote:You know, what would people think about a public school giving kids school credits for going door to door drumming up support for a school levy/property tax increase?
There is no way for this to be ok while receiving public funds.
Is it OK for this school to make their students to attend mass?
I think this is where we differ. I agree that they can make students attend mass since it's a Catholic school. Their purpose is to EDUCATE students, which is what mass does. But there's a difference between being educated in mass and officially sponsoring political activity for school credit. It's the politics I have a problem with, not the religious education.
For instance, I had a class on globalization in college. (Note that this was college, where we were all adults, not elementary school.) We learned about a certain way of viewing the world that some might consider partisan. We decided as a class that we were going to attend a protest, and we did. But we did not receive any actual class credit for it. It was not officially part of the course. We did not represent the school while expressing our political opnions.0 -
Loulou wrote:
Well said :thumbup:blueandwhite wrote:This is why nobody respects education anymore. Picketing doesn't teach students to think critically, nor does it prepare them for the workplace. I don't care what these students are picketing for; the fact that they are receiving credit for this is nonsense. If this was a project the students developed independently in a civics class in order to exercise their freedom of speech to implement a change in government I wouldn't have an issue, but it seems that this picketing is being driven by the administration. Using students to force a political agenda is just wrong.
If this school is going to throw away its academic integrity, why not simply give every student a high school diploma and a 97% average so they can buy their way into the sham colleges of their choice?
I think this is disgusting. What happens if an already distraught pregnant lady lashes out at them? Will they be prepared for such an occurence?? This is just wrong.
This is a good point that I hadn't thought of. While violence is in no way part of the pro-choice movement, random patients and their families (whether getting abortions or not) sometimes get really angry at protesters, who often antagonize them. Just like with the kids they have protesting for the Westboro Babtist Church, there's a chance that these activities could get a child hurt.0 -
***UPDATE****
Winnipeg Free Press - PRINT EDITION
Protest credit rebuked
Catholic school told it can't sanction 'vigil'
By: Nick Martin
Catholic education officials say that while abortion is an issue close to Christ the King School principal David Hood’s heart, he won’t be allowed to grant community-service credits to students who participate in anti-abortion prayer vigils.
Winnipeg's Catholic educational hierarchy has cancelled Christ the King School's plan to get elementary students and parents walking anti-abortion vigils outside the Health Sciences Centre.
"Catholic Schools in Winnipeg do not give community service or academic credit for participation in prayer vigils," said Robert Praznik, director of education for the Archdiocese of Winnipeg Catholic schools.
A divisive issue
The statement from the Christ the King School board of directors Wednesday:
"The board of directors of Christ the King School wishes to respond to the recent article in the Winnipeg Free Press on the pro-life prayer vigil outside the Women's Hospital.
1. This is not a school-sanctioned activity. Students are expected to be in class during regular school hours.
2. Students do not receive community service or academic credit for participation in a prayer vigil.
Christ the King is a Catholic school that follows the Manitoba curriculum and the teachings of the Catholic Church, which include respect for the sanctity of human life. We acknowledge that parents are the primary educators of their children and the participation in a pro-life vigil would be the decision of an individual family."
The statement Wednesday from an aide to Education Minister Nancy Allan:
"Department officials have a call into the principal in order to seek clarity on the issue. Currently it is our understanding that this is a voluntary activity by students with parental consent, outside school hours. Participation in this type of activity during school hours or as organized by a teacher would not fit under the Manitoba curriculum which all funded independent schools in Manitoba are required to follow."
Voices of those who took part in the 40 Days For Life anti-abortion rally in front of Women's Hospital on Notre Dame Avenue Wednesday:
"I feel this is a great way to reach out to the community and shows them that abortion is not good at all."
-- Mikayla Ruus, 14
"I brought my children to vigils when they were school-aged. If you are a Catholic, abortion is wrong. Children should receive community service credit for attending a prayer vigil."
-- John Cortens
"I've been attending pro-life conferences and demonstrations across Canada and the United States since I was 10 years of age. Abortion affects everyone and I think children should be brought to the prayer vigil."
-- Dympna Issigonis
"There are no Catholic schools in Winnipeg that give academic credit for political activity," Praznik said. "We're very careful, we're not a political organization.
"None of this is part of the curriculum, and none of this is done on school time," Praznik said.
The Free Press reported Wednesday in a story that quickly went national that Christ the King School principal David Hood is considering seeking the kindergarten to Grade 8 St. Vital school community's approval to make participation in anti-abortion vigils an official school activity next year.
Hood has asked parents through a recent school newsletter to consider volunteering in the vigils, and Hood also said in an interview Tuesday any student who voluntarily takes part in the vigils this year can count that participation towards his or her community services requirement.
But Christ the King's board of directors said in a news release released through Praznik's office none of that will happen.
"This is not a school-sanctioned activity. Students are expected to be in class during regular school hours. Students do not receive community service or academic credit for participation in a prayer vigil," said the board, comprised of parents, parish members, and the parish priest.
Praznik said he met with Hood early on Wednesday. "He was here all day," said Praznik.
"He's a new principal to Christ the King, and that particular issue is close to his heart," he said.
Praznik clarified that Christ the King students are only required to perform community service in grades 7 and 8.
Earlier Wednesday, the Selinger government declared a private Catholic school receiving public funding would not be allowed to organize such activities.
Bureaucrats were trying to reach Hood to "seek clarity on the issue," said an aide to Education Minister Nancy Allan.
But the government would not make Allan or senior bureaucrats available for interviews Wednesday, and would not say what the consequences would be should the school go ahead with Hood's plans. That would be a hypothetical question, said Allan's aide.
Lori Johnson, a former school trustee and executive director of both Klinic Community Health Centre and the Sexuality Education research Centre, said Tuesday that anti-abortion vigils are political lobbying, and any school organizing such activities should lose its funding.
In the 2007-2008 school year, the most recent year for which provincial data are available, Christ the King received $666,324 in provincial funding, which comprised 60.2 per cent of the school's operating budget.
The funding is based on receiving a provincial operating grant per student of 50 per cent of the per-student spending in Louis Riel School Division, the public school division in which the school is located.
A veteran educator with extensive experience in Catholic schools said Hood's plan might not be specifically covered in legislation, but urged participation be a parental decision.
"I don't know that there is any sort of language in the legislation from the political lobbying point of view," said University of Manitoba education Prof. Jerome Cranston, a former director of Catholic education in the city.
"It does seem that people are looking for ways to have young people involved in political activity," Cranston said. "There definitely have been students who have been politically engaged."
Cranston was unaware of any schools having organized anti-abortion activities. "That's the first time I've seen it formalized," he said.
Cranston recalled that St. Maurice School got involved in the vigils several years ago, but that was as an extracurricular activity.
A school should ensure that participation in such activities are voluntary, Cranston cautioned: "Parents still need to be able to make appropriate choices."
Provincial policy on any academic recognition for community service is aimed specifically at grades 9 to 12 students, who can propose student-initiated projects to earn a credit towards the 30 required for a high school diploma.
Provincial policy appears to give each school considerable leeway in determining how to define community service.
Local public school divisions said they encourage students to get involved in the political process, but that tends to be through studying campaigns or working for Elections Manitoba. Student involvement "should take a non-partisan and balanced approach," said Seven Oaks superintendent Brian O'Leary.Gimli 1993
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the above decision was the right one."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
yeah, I'm impressed that:
1)it was that decision
2) that it came down that quickly
but apparently this story became national news. so I think the board went into instant damage control mode.gimmesometruth27 wrote:the above decision was the right one.Gimli 1993
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cincybearcat wrote:You know, what would people think about a public school giving kids school credits for going door to door drumming up support for a school levy/property tax increase?
There is no way for this to be ok while receiving public funds.
also wrong. politics is politics, and children should not be involved.Gimli 1993
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the principal "has agreed to go on paid administrative leave" until the investigation can be completed.
this guy is toast.Gimli 1993
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