Pj20 if you werent there, you just dont get it.
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slightofjeff wrote:boothead wrote:Trust me, alot of people who could not go "get it" and im sure tons who did go dont get it. so na i think youe OP is BS
I usually think the same, when people say something like this ... but having been there, this was different. This time they're right. The boots are not going to do this thing justice. Just the communal vibe of being there with "each other," from the parking lot tailgates at 3 o'clock, to screaming and singing along with the rest of the Ten Club during the show, to the joyful clusterfuck to get out of the parking lot afterward -- that's what made this weekend.
Not the songs the band played, or how they played them, or the guests they brought along. A lot of what made these shows special, and irreplaceable, was being there with "family."
If you weren't there, you didn't get to feel that love, between the band and the fans and the music and back again. It really was an amazing couple of nights, and a feeling to behold. Trying to explain that to someone who was not there is like trying to explain the sensation of great sex to a virgin.
I know when you miss out on something cool, there's a tendency to try to poo-poo it. "Oh, it wasn't that great anyway." There's a whole Aesop fable written around the concept (The Fox and the Grapes). I suppose those of us who were there should just let those who weren't rationalize it however they want.
We know the truth. It was the experience of a lifetime.
I say this respectuflly: give me a f*cking break.
I am glad you had an incredible time. But posting in dozens of threads about how "no one can understand" is so over-the-top and nauseating. It is like you are trying to publicly justify why you went. Tell us you had an amzing time. Don't tell the hundreds of thousands of other 10C members that they can "never understand". Again, no disrespect - but you come off as a douche.Camden - 5/28/06; Camden - 6/20/08; MSG - 6/25/08; Newark - (Ed Solo) 8/7/08; Philly - (Ed Solo) 6/12/09; Philly - 10/30/09; Philly - 10/31/09; Newark - 5/18/10; MSG - 5/20/10; MSG - 5/21/100 -
is this a joke????
oh so, since say I've never been to Janis Joplin concert means I cannot get it?
I think you're all joking! Or this forum is like being trapped in an absurd play
Maybe this will take some of the bad energy away:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCGLQhKxasgLiving is no laughing matter: you must live with great seriousness like a squirrel for example - I mean without looking for something beyond and above living, I mean living must be your whole occupation.
Nazım Hikmet0 -
WeBelongTogether wrote:Again, no disrespect - but you come off as a douche.
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This wasny meant in a negetive manor, im just saying this was way more than a set list. If ya got the live feed you felt this too.0
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All I can say is I couldn't be there, but in spirit I was, thanks to Gary's live feed. The hardest thing for me was not seeing TOTD. Can't begin to fathom the complaints about that.R.i.p. Rigoberto Alpizar.
R.i.p. My Dad - May 28, 2007
R.i.p. Black Tail (cat) - Sept. 20, 20080 -
it seems that once you pass about 40 PJ shows you are pretty much toast in terms of having any sort of valid opinion.
Yes I am generalizing but like Cervantes said in the great book Don Quixote "...for abundance, even of things that are good, makes people esteem them less"
(he added "and scarcity, even of bad things, lends a certain value")
It's called nit picking
Good thing I am only at 11 shows. (soon to be 14). I still love everything they do.
I wasnt at PJ20 but I would have been if the band was not touring Canada-
We will feel the love in Toronto - you can be sure of that.0 -
WeBelongTogether wrote:slightofjeff wrote:
I usually think the same, when people say something like this ... but having been there, this was different. This time they're right. The boots are not going to do this thing justice. Just the communal vibe of being there with "each other," from the parking lot tailgates at 3 o'clock, to screaming and singing along with the rest of the Ten Club during the show, to the joyful clusterfuck to get out of the parking lot afterward -- that's what made this weekend.
Not the songs the band played, or how they played them, or the guests they brought along. A lot of what made these shows special, and irreplaceable, was being there with "family."
If you weren't there, you didn't get to feel that love, between the band and the fans and the music and back again. It really was an amazing couple of nights, and a feeling to behold. Trying to explain that to someone who was not there is like trying to explain the sensation of great sex to a virgin.
I know when you miss out on something cool, there's a tendency to try to poo-poo it. "Oh, it wasn't that great anyway." There's a whole Aesop fable written around the concept (The Fox and the Grapes). I suppose those of us who were there should just let those who weren't rationalize it however they want.
We know the truth. It was the experience of a lifetime.
I say this respectuflly: give me a f*cking break.
I am glad you had an incredible time. But posting in dozens of threads about how "no one can understand" is so over-the-top and nauseating. It is like you are trying to publicly justify why you went. Tell us you had an amzing time. Don't tell the hundreds of thousands of other 10C members that they can "never understand". Again, no disrespect - but you come off as a douche.
Dude, he's been to 19 shows... a self described "veteran" who probably didn't see a single show pre-2003 and is here to tell me how little I know about Pearl Jam because I didn't think it was the greatest weekend ever.0 -
dte421 wrote:
For the people complaining about the second night's setlist, let me just say this. During the more rare songs on the first night (Push Me Pull Me, Education, In The Moonlight and Help Help most specifically) the crowd was ABSOLUTELY DEAD. Not just on the lawn, but in the first 10 rows even - I had a great view of both sec 102 and the lawn from my spot in 203, and it the songs just fell flat on their faces. If the band's own fan club can't get into the songs, why should they bother playing them? The message was made clear on Friday.
Must respectfully disagree. Maybe I am a selfish prick, but I don't give two hoots if someone doesn't start gyrating on the lawn to In The Moonlight. Their boredom is their own loss. I don't see the problem here. They play all the "hits", every single tune from Ten and Versus and Vitalogy that the casual rock fan knows still shows up in setlists on a regular basis. They can also play some obscure tunes. Some of us love this stuff. PJ keeps both camps happy, assuming you collapse across both nights: Night 2 was full of the classics. This is the sort of comment people mean when they say the negativity is getting crazy. You're unimpressed that they played some rare songs?0 -
rebornFixer wrote:dte421 wrote:
For the people complaining about the second night's setlist, let me just say this. During the more rare songs on the first night (Push Me Pull Me, Education, In The Moonlight and Help Help most specifically) the crowd was ABSOLUTELY DEAD. Not just on the lawn, but in the first 10 rows even - I had a great view of both sec 102 and the lawn from my spot in 203, and it the songs just fell flat on their faces. If the band's own fan club can't get into the songs, why should they bother playing them? The message was made clear on Friday.
Must respectfully disagree. Maybe I am a selfish prick, but I don't give two hoots if someone doesn't start gyrating on the lawn to In The Moonlight. Their boredom is their own loss. I don't see the problem here. They play all the "hits", every single tune from Ten and Versus and Vitalogy that the casual rock fan knows still shows up in setlists on a regular basis. They can also play some obscure tunes. Some of us love this stuff. PJ keeps both camps happy, assuming you collapse across both nights: Night 2 was full of the classics. This is the sort of comment people mean when they say the negativity is getting crazy. You're unimpressed that they played some rare songs?
My Fan Club section 202 Row JJ was sick for night 1. Everyone of those rarities were being sung by everyone around me. It was amazing. As far as my eye could see everyone was into "In the Moonlight", "Help Help", "Push Me Pull Me", etc. Was blown away by those songs and the fan participation.
I really think you get out of these shows what you put into them. If you had a sick time it's because you were in the right mind set.
I thought it was the best two nights of Pearl Jam I've experienced.
Magical would describe it for me. Loved, loved, loved all the rarities and thought they mixed it up great.
Night two was better as the a fore mentioned flubs at the beginning after Release, but I forgive those issues as overall even night one was amazing.
Can't wait for the next time!
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rebornFixer wrote:dte421 wrote:
For the people complaining about the second night's setlist, let me just say this. During the more rare songs on the first night (Push Me Pull Me, Education, In The Moonlight and Help Help most specifically) the crowd was ABSOLUTELY DEAD. Not just on the lawn, but in the first 10 rows even - I had a great view of both sec 102 and the lawn from my spot in 203, and it the songs just fell flat on their faces. If the band's own fan club can't get into the songs, why should they bother playing them? The message was made clear on Friday.
Must respectfully disagree. Maybe I am a selfish prick, but I don't give two hoots if someone doesn't start gyrating on the lawn to In The Moonlight. Their boredom is their own loss. I don't see the problem here. They play all the "hits", every single tune from Ten and Versus and Vitalogy that the casual rock fan knows still shows up in setlists on a regular basis. They can also play some obscure tunes. Some of us love this stuff. PJ keeps both camps happy, assuming you collapse across both nights: Night 2 was full of the classics. This is the sort of comment people mean when they say the negativity is getting crazy. You're unimpressed that they played some rare songs?
Yeah, see I didn't see this before when we were talking in the other thread. I am the same dude who wrote a 2000 word article last week explaining what the rarest songs in the PJ catalog are - I LOVE that shit. What I'm saying is that when there's 37,000 people at a show, and 35,000 of them aren't into the song, it sends the message to the band that the song is TOO obscure, especially when I'm looking at the fan club sections and there's just not a lot of rockin going on. That's what I meant by that. I'm still pissed they didn't play Girl personally. :evil:0 -
dte421 wrote:
Yeah, see I didn't see this before when we were talking in the other thread. I am the same dude who wrote a 2000 word article last week explaining what the rarest songs in the PJ catalog are - I LOVE that shit. What I'm saying is that when there's 37,000 people at a show, and 35,000 of them aren't into the song, it sends the message to the band that the song is TOO obscure, especially when I'm looking at the fan club sections and there's just not a lot of rockin going on. That's what I meant by that. I'm still pissed they didn't play Girl personally. :evil:
Yeah, I posted this before reading your response in the other thread, had I read that first I probably would have given you the benefit of the doubt. Its all good. Hey, if Sweet Lew can happen, anything can.0 -
rebornFixer wrote:dte421 wrote:
Yeah, see I didn't see this before when we were talking in the other thread. I am the same dude who wrote a 2000 word article last week explaining what the rarest songs in the PJ catalog are - I LOVE that shit. What I'm saying is that when there's 37,000 people at a show, and 35,000 of them aren't into the song, it sends the message to the band that the song is TOO obscure, especially when I'm looking at the fan club sections and there's just not a lot of rockin going on. That's what I meant by that. I'm still pissed they didn't play Girl personally. :evil:
Yeah, I posted this before reading your response in the other thread, had I read that first I probably would have given you the benefit of the doubt. Its all good. Hey, if Sweet Lew can happen, anything can.
Ha I've now seen Sweet Lew twice. And I think I'm good on it0
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