Pj20 if you werent there, you just dont get it.

mookieb10

Whether or not you like the setlist doesnt matter. It was just different in a totally awesome way. The energy from the band and crowd, the venue, totd, etc...

It was a pleasure to expieience that with all of you who were there!!

washedinblack91

best Black i've heard in my life. best daughter, best jeremy, i don't care if they played "the hits", every "hit" came with an interesting story about what was going on when they were making the song and what it's about. not to mention the way they played the songs KICKED ASSSSS!!!!!!! my favorite versions of those songs by far. on paper the setlist my not have been spectacular, but the way they played those songs was phenomenal. even Ed said it was the happiest they've ever played in a long time and in reality, that's what counts, not whether they played rare songs or not.

heartdesire

mookieb10 wrote:

Whether or not you like the setlist doesnt matter. It was just different in a totally awesome way. The energy from the band and crowd, the venue, totd, etc...

It was a pleasure to expieience that with all of you who were there!!

AMEN! Loved it and was so THANKFUL to be there!

And there are some that weren't there that do get it and celebrated the vibe in spirit ... Thank You!

Twenty Years! What an incredible celebration!

boothead

Trust me, alot of people who could not go "get it" and im sure tons who did go dont get it. so na i think youe OP is BS

slightofjeff

boothead wrote:

Trust me, alot of people who could not go "get it" and im sure tons who did go dont get it. so na i think youe OP is BS

I usually think the same, when people say something like this ... but having been there, this was different. This time they're right. The boots are not going to do this thing justice. Just the communal vibe of being there with "each other," from the parking lot tailgates at 3 o'clock, to screaming and singing along with the rest of the Ten Club during the show, to the joyful clusterfuck to get out of the parking lot afterward -- that's what made this weekend.

Not the songs the band played, or how they played them, or the guests they brought along. A lot of what made these shows special, and irreplaceable, was being there with "family."

If you weren't there, you didn't get to feel that love, between the band and the fans and the music and back again. It really was an amazing couple of nights, and a feeling to behold. Trying to explain that to someone who was not there is like trying to explain the sensation of great sex to a virgin.

I know when you miss out on something cool, there's a tendency to try to poo-poo it. "Oh, it wasn't that great anyway." There's a whole Aesop fable written around the concept (The Fox and the Grapes). I suppose those of us who were there should just let those who weren't rationalize it however they want.

We know the truth. It was the experience of a lifetime.

Slap upside the head

slightofjeff wrote:

boothead wrote:

Trust me, alot of people who could not go "get it" and im sure tons who did go dont get it. so na i think youe OP is BS

Just the communal vibe of being there with "each other," from the parking lot tailgates at 3 o'clock, to screaming and singing along with the rest of the Ten Club during the show, to the joyful clusterfuck to get out of the parking lot afterward -- that's what made this weekend.

A lot of what made these shows special, and irreplaceable, was being there with "family."

If you weren't there, you didn't get to feel that love, between the band and the fans and the music and back again. It really was an amazing couple of nights, and a feeling to behold. Trying to explain that to someone who was not there is like trying to explain the sensation of great sex to a virgin.

I know when you miss out on something cool, there's a tendency to try to poo-poo it. "Oh, it wasn't that great anyway." There's a whole Aesop fable written around the concept (The Fox and the Grapes). I suppose those of us who were there should just let those who weren't rationalize it however they want.

We know the truth. It was the experience of a lifetime.

See,these comments are why people think some Pearl Jam fans are elitists.
I see nothing different with what you "experienced" at PJ20 to be any different than any other show.

You were there and that's terrific. You got to enjoy the magic and celebration and everything else that
went on with this event but don't be so condescending to other fans of the band who weren't there
but were still celebrating with you in spirit.
Just because your a virgin who may not understand what "great" sex feels like, doesn't mean
you don't know what it feels like, you feel me?

Get_Right

Slap upside the head wrote:

Just because your a virgin who may not understand what "great" sex feels like, doesn't mean
you don't know what it feels like, you feel me?

Gotta stop you there.......

Slap upside the head

Get_Right wrote:

Slap upside the head wrote:

Just because your a virgin who may not understand what "great" sex feels like, doesn't mean
you don't know what it feels like, you feel me?

Gotta stop you there.......

Yea, thought I might get called out on that one.
Then again, how would a virgin actually know what great sex feels like even when
the cherry's been popped?
Point is, you don't necessarily have to have experienced something great in person to know what
it feels like.

Get_Right

Slap upside the head wrote:

Get_Right wrote:

Slap upside the head wrote:

Just because your a virgin who may not understand what "great" sex feels like, doesn't mean
you don't know what it feels like, you feel me?

Gotta stop you there.......

Yea, thought I might get called out on that one.
Then again, how would a virgin actually know what great sex feels like even when
the cherry's been popped?
Point is, you don't necessarily have to have experienced something great in person to know what
it feels like.

I agree with what you are saying.........except for great nookie....its better than any virgin can imagine

slightofjeff

Slap upside the head wrote:

You got to enjoy the magic and celebration and everything else that
went on with this event but don't be so condescending to other fans of the band who weren't there
but were still celebrating with you in spirit.?

Don't misunderstand.

I'm not being condescending to fans that were "still celebrating with me in spirit." Cheers to those people.

I'm being condescending to the people who weren't here who are trying to tell me that my experience wasn't as real as it felt. Fuck those people. They're pessimists. Fuck 'em.

Slap upside the head

slightofjeff wrote:

Slap upside the head wrote:

You got to enjoy the magic and celebration and everything else that
went on with this event but don't be so condescending to other fans of the band who weren't there
but were still celebrating with you in spirit.?

Don't misunderstand.

I'm not being condescending to fans that were "still celebrating with me in spirit." Cheers to those people.

I'm being condescending to the people who weren't here who are trying to tell me that my experience wasn't as real as it felt. Fuck those people. They're pessimists. Fuck 'em.

Ah, ok then.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

You're right - fuck 'em if that's what they believe.

slightofjeff

Slap upside the head wrote:

slightofjeff wrote:

Slap upside the head wrote:

You got to enjoy the magic and celebration and everything else that
went on with this event but don't be so condescending to other fans of the band who weren't there
but were still celebrating with you in spirit.?

Don't misunderstand.

I'm not being condescending to fans that were "still celebrating with me in spirit." Cheers to those people.

I'm being condescending to the people who weren't here who are trying to tell me that my experience wasn't as real as it felt. Fuck those people. They're pessimists. Fuck 'em.

Ah, ok then.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

You're right - fuck 'em if that's what they believe.

No worries.

It's just weird. You go to a show, and have this transcendent, almost religious, experience, and you just want to shout it from the mountain tops about how great it was, and share it with other fans.

Then you have a couple of Debbie Downers who weren't even there trying to tell you, "It didn't look that good."

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, of course, but sometimes it's nicer to keep them to yourself. A lot of people on this board just shared an incredible weekend with the band. Just let them gush about it a bit, without crapping all over them, ya know?

(Obviously, I'm not talking about you, personally, here. Just the collective "you.")

SB62034

Let's just get this thing open and honest. Coming from a guy who sat in his living room in Colorado watching tv, wishing he was at this celebration, I think I speak for the thousands...millions...whatever it is ....those of us who couldn't make it to Wisconsin are jealous. Maybe we "get it" or maybe we don't. Who cares? We just wish we had been there too! I was at the Gorge in '06 for two nights and could say the same thing. "You weren't there? Oh then you don't "get it." Let's all just get over ourselves. Go vent or brag(depending on whether you were there or not there) on facebook or something. Let us just live vicariously thru the stories we read and pics posted by the FANS who truly appreciated this event and understand the privilege Pearl Jam has given us to celebrate great live music. For 20 years! And I look forward to the next show.somewhere on the road.

Ps. Woulda been awesome to see the set w/Cornell doing Temple...

Steve

slightofjeff

SB62034 wrote:

Let's just get this thing open and honest. Coming from a guy who sat in his living room in Colorado watching tv, wishing he was at this celebration, I think I speak for the thousands...millions...whatever it is ....those of us who couldn't make it to Wisconsin are jealous. Maybe we "get it" or maybe we don't. Who cares? We just wish we had been there too! I was at the Gorge in '06 for two nights and could say the same thing. "You weren't there? Oh then you don't "get it." Let's all just get over ourselves. Go vent or brag(depending on whether you were there or not there) on facebook or something. Let us just live vicariously thru the stories we read and pics posted by the FANS who truly appreciated this event and understand the privilege Pearl Jam has given us to celebrate great live music. For 20 years! And I look forward to the next show.somewhere on the road.

Ps. Woulda been awesome to see the set w/Cornell doing Temple...

Steve

In all fairness, if I hadn't been at the shows the weekend, I'd probably be taking a break from the board for a while. Because I know there would be a lot of people gushing about it.

I've got a friend who is a HUGE Cornell/Soundgarden fan. I've been sending him texts all weekend about all the incredible TOTD stuff. After about two texts, he just quit responding.

We know we're being annoying to the people who couldn't make it. We just can't help it. We're in love.

drummerboy_73

Thanks to THE MAN, Gary, a lot of us who couldn't make it physically were definitely there spiritually...and we got it.

SB62034

I'm blasting my Gorge '06 nite 1 boot right now ...just diggin' it! Oh the irony...coincidence ...HAIL HAIL! The lucky ones! Are we goin' to the same place? If so can I come?!?!?!?!?

SB62034

I'm at the Gorge '06 nite 1 show right now! "All hail the lucky ones...!"

animus

slightofjeff wrote:

SB62034 wrote:

Let's just get this thing open and honest. Coming from a guy who sat in his living room in Colorado watching tv, wishing he was at this celebration, I think I speak for the thousands...millions...whatever it is ....those of us who couldn't make it to Wisconsin are jealous. Maybe we "get it" or maybe we don't. Who cares? We just wish we had been there too! I was at the Gorge in '06 for two nights and could say the same thing. "You weren't there? Oh then you don't "get it." Let's all just get over ourselves. Go vent or brag(depending on whether you were there or not there) on facebook or something. Let us just live vicariously thru the stories we read and pics posted by the FANS who truly appreciated this event and understand the privilege Pearl Jam has given us to celebrate great live music. For 20 years! And I look forward to the next show.somewhere on the road.

Ps. Woulda been awesome to see the set w/Cornell doing Temple...

Steve

In all fairness, if I hadn't been at the shows the weekend, I'd probably be taking a break from the board for a while. Because I know there would be a lot of people gushing about it.

I've got a friend who is a HUGE Cornell/Soundgarden fan. I've been sending him texts all weekend about all the incredible TOTD stuff. After about two texts, he just quit responding.

We know we're being annoying to the people who couldn't make it. We just can't help it. We're in love.

yeah I can't blame the kid. I'd be too jealous to text you with out being a dick haha

Mamasan80

slightofjeff wrote:

boothead wrote:

Trust me, alot of people who could not go "get it" and im sure tons who did go dont get it. so na i think youe OP is BS

I usually think the same, when people say something like this ... but having been there, this was different. This time they're right. The boots are not going to do this thing justice. Just the communal vibe of being there with "each other," from the parking lot tailgates at 3 o'clock, to screaming and singing along with the rest of the Ten Club during the show, to the joyful clusterfuck to get out of the parking lot afterward -- that's what made this weekend.

Not the songs the band played, or how they played them, or the guests they brought along. A lot of what made these shows special, and irreplaceable, was being there with "family."

If you weren't there, you didn't get to feel that love, between the band and the fans and the music and back again. It really was an amazing couple of nights, and a feeling to behold. Trying to explain that to someone who was not there is like trying to explain the sensation of great sex to a virgin.

I know when you miss out on something cool, there's a tendency to try to poo-poo it. "Oh, it wasn't that great anyway." There's a whole Aesop fable written around the concept (The Fox and the Grapes). I suppose those of us who were there should just let those who weren't rationalize it however they want.

We know the truth. It was the experience of a lifetime.

Everyone experiences things differently. Personally didn't feel that these shows held a candle to even Philly 2009, nevermind shows like Mansfield #3 in '03, Katowice '00, MSG II in '98, Randall's Island 2 in '96, Springfield '94... They were great, the setlists were cool (including the night 2 hit parade), and Cornell (despite butchering Hunger Strike and Reach Down the first night) was incredible to behold. The museum was pretty ridiculous, I would love to have spent more time there, and God knows I'd kill to spend a week straight in Kevin's archive. However, you had a super drunk singer forgetting some of the words to almost half the songs, guests that didn't always work (I swear to God if I ever see Julian Casablancas in person, I will kill him and save us all from him shitting all over another Pearl Jam song ever again.), and terrible sound in certain parts of the venue.

For the people complaining about the second night's setlist, let me just say this. During the more rare songs on the first night (Push Me Pull Me, Education, In The Moonlight and Help Help most specifically) the crowd was ABSOLUTELY DEAD. Not just on the lawn, but in the first 10 rows even - I had a great view of both sec 102 and the lawn from my spot in 203, and it the songs just fell flat on their faces. If the band's own fan club can't get into the songs, why should they bother playing them? The message was made clear on Friday.

DewieCox

dte421 wrote:

Everyone experiences things differently. Personally didn't feel that these shows held a candle to even Philly 2009, nevermind shows like Mansfield #3 in '03, Katowice '00, MSG II in '98, Randall's Island 2 in '96, Springfield '94... They were great, the setlists were cool (including the night 2 hit parade), and Cornell (despite butchering Hunger Strike and Reach Down the first night) was incredible to behold. The museum was pretty ridiculous, I would love to have spent more time there, and God knows I'd kill to spend a week straight in Kevin's archive. However, you had a super drunk singer forgetting some of the words to almost half the songs, guests that didn't always work (I swear to God if I ever see Julian Casablancas in person, I will kill him and save us all from him shitting all over another Pearl Jam song ever again.), and terrible sound in certain parts of the venue.

For the people complaining about the second night's setlist, let me just say this. During the more rare songs on the first night (Push Me Pull Me, Education, In The Moonlight and Help Help most specifically) the crowd was ABSOLUTELY DEAD. Not just on the lawn, but in the first 10 rows even - I had a great view of both sec 102 and the lawn from my spot in 203, and it the songs just fell flat on their faces. If the band's own fan club can't get into the songs, why should they bother playing them? The message was made clear on Friday.

If you're gonna rag on Ed for forgetting lyrics plz take any of the Philly shows out of your best shows ever list. Those are a mess.

I thought Casablancas had some cool ideas and loved the mood he was in, but his voice was a little overbearing during Red Mosquito. Not a big Strokes fan, but I'll definitely check into them further.

I think the Temple songs aside from Hunger Strike just have the wrong vibe for such an important part of the setlist. Maybe they shoulda stuck to the few bigger tunes of theirs. Not a complaint, but nobody can deny that a fair portion of the crowd started twiddling their thumbs about half way through Call Me A Dog.

Mamasan80

DewieCox wrote:

dte421 wrote:

Everyone experiences things differently. Personally didn't feel that these shows held a candle to even Philly 2009, nevermind shows like Mansfield #3 in '03, Katowice '00, MSG II in '98, Randall's Island 2 in '96, Springfield '94... They were great, the setlists were cool (including the night 2 hit parade), and Cornell (despite butchering Hunger Strike and Reach Down the first night) was incredible to behold. The museum was pretty ridiculous, I would love to have spent more time there, and God knows I'd kill to spend a week straight in Kevin's archive. However, you had a super drunk singer forgetting some of the words to almost half the songs, guests that didn't always work (I swear to God if I ever see Julian Casablancas in person, I will kill him and save us all from him shitting all over another Pearl Jam song ever again.), and terrible sound in certain parts of the venue.

For the people complaining about the second night's setlist, let me just say this. During the more rare songs on the first night (Push Me Pull Me, Education, In The Moonlight and Help Help most specifically) the crowd was ABSOLUTELY DEAD. Not just on the lawn, but in the first 10 rows even - I had a great view of both sec 102 and the lawn from my spot in 203, and it the songs just fell flat on their faces. If the band's own fan club can't get into the songs, why should they bother playing them? The message was made clear on Friday.

If you're gonna rag on Ed for forgetting lyrics plz take any of the Philly shows out of your best shows ever list. Those are a mess.

I thought Casablancas had some cool ideas and loved the mood he was in, but his voice was a little overbearing during Red Mosquito. Not a big Strokes fan, but I'll definitely check into them further.

I think the Temple songs aside from Hunger Strike just have the wrong vibe for such an important part of the setlist. Maybe they shoulda stuck to the few bigger tunes of theirs. Not a complaint, but nobody can deny that a fair portion of the crowd started twiddling their thumbs about half way through Call Me A Dog.

We can just agree to disagree. Forgetting lyrics is magnified when you have a backup chorus singing the right words to Who You Are, and the singer clusterfucking it, or mangling Sonic Reducer by singing "Don't Need No Mom and Dad" over and over til Mark Arm saves the day and upstages you.

I've seen 90 Pearl Jam shows (and fwiw listened to every single recorded show) and not a single one started out as sloppy as night 1 did after a perfect Release. First sucking the energy out with a boring Arms Aloft cover in the 2 slot, then lyrical fuckups during Got Some and DTE (seriously, they've played it almost every show for 13 years, come on), butchering the inro to In My Tree (and instead of starting again, just playing over it), the aforementioned Who You Are debacle, a Setting Forth that had people bored out of their minds, and then Casablancas scatting all over the stage with that terrible N4U improv... just the worst start to a PJ show I've ever seen. Philly was NOWHERE near that messy at any point. But then again, neither has an PJ "flagpole" show in their history, save for maybe MSG 1 in 98. It certainly rebounded, but I'm not going to pretend that 2 shows that basically started with a 45 minute rehearsal is a "once in a lifetime experience." I had a great time this weekend, 100 percent. And night 2 they came out much more focused and played into the crowds hands with a setlist that was not only heavy on hits but also found the more popular "rarities" and a much more focused band. Doesn't mean that the first half of the first night's main set didn't happen.