Pj20 if you werent there, you just dont get it.
mookieb10
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Whether or not you like the setlist doesnt matter. It was just different in a totally awesome way. The energy from the band and crowd, the venue, totd, etc...
It was a pleasure to expieience that with all of you who were there!!
It was a pleasure to expieience that with all of you who were there!!
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eV: 8/4/08, 8/5/08, 6/21/11
SG: 10/4/08<-- MET STONE!!!
AMEN! Loved it and was so THANKFUL to be there!
And there are some that weren't there that do get it and celebrated the vibe in spirit ... Thank You!
Twenty Years! What an incredible celebration!
I usually think the same, when people say something like this ... but having been there, this was different. This time they're right. The boots are not going to do this thing justice. Just the communal vibe of being there with "each other," from the parking lot tailgates at 3 o'clock, to screaming and singing along with the rest of the Ten Club during the show, to the joyful clusterfuck to get out of the parking lot afterward -- that's what made this weekend.
Not the songs the band played, or how they played them, or the guests they brought along. A lot of what made these shows special, and irreplaceable, was being there with "family."
If you weren't there, you didn't get to feel that love, between the band and the fans and the music and back again. It really was an amazing couple of nights, and a feeling to behold. Trying to explain that to someone who was not there is like trying to explain the sensation of great sex to a virgin.
I know when you miss out on something cool, there's a tendency to try to poo-poo it. "Oh, it wasn't that great anyway." There's a whole Aesop fable written around the concept (The Fox and the Grapes). I suppose those of us who were there should just let those who weren't rationalize it however they want.
We know the truth. It was the experience of a lifetime.
for the least they could possibly do
See,these comments are why people think some Pearl Jam fans are elitists.
I see nothing different with what you "experienced" at PJ20 to be any different than any other show.
You were there and that's terrific. You got to enjoy the magic and celebration and everything else that
went on with this event but don't be so condescending to other fans of the band who weren't there
but were still celebrating with you in spirit.
Just because your a virgin who may not understand what "great" sex feels like, doesn't mean
you don't know what it feels like, you feel me?
Yea, thought I might get called out on that one.
Then again, how would a virgin actually know what great sex feels like even when
the cherry's been popped?
Point is, you don't necessarily have to have experienced something great in person to know what
it feels like.
Don't misunderstand.
I'm not being condescending to fans that were "still celebrating with me in spirit." Cheers to those people.
I'm being condescending to the people who weren't here who are trying to tell me that my experience wasn't as real as it felt. Fuck those people. They're pessimists. Fuck 'em.
for the least they could possibly do
Ah, ok then.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
You're right - fuck 'em if that's what they believe.
No worries.
It's just weird. You go to a show, and have this transcendent, almost religious, experience, and you just want to shout it from the mountain tops about how great it was, and share it with other fans.
Then you have a couple of Debbie Downers who weren't even there trying to tell you, "It didn't look that good."
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, of course, but sometimes it's nicer to keep them to yourself. A lot of people on this board just shared an incredible weekend with the band. Just let them gush about it a bit, without crapping all over them, ya know?
(Obviously, I'm not talking about you, personally, here. Just the collective "you.")
for the least they could possibly do
Ps. Woulda been awesome to see the set w/Cornell doing Temple...
Steve
2000: Cincinnati, Columbus, Pittsburgh, Detroit
Cleveland '03
2006: Denver 7/2,7/3, Gorge 7/22, 7/23
Charlotte '13
2016: Jacksonville, Greeneville, Columbia
In all fairness, if I hadn't been at the shows the weekend, I'd probably be taking a break from the board for a while. Because I know there would be a lot of people gushing about it.
I've got a friend who is a HUGE Cornell/Soundgarden fan. I've been sending him texts all weekend about all the incredible TOTD stuff. After about two texts, he just quit responding.
We know we're being annoying to the people who couldn't make it. We just can't help it. We're in love.
for the least they could possibly do
2000: Cincinnati, Columbus, Pittsburgh, Detroit
Cleveland '03
2006: Denver 7/2,7/3, Gorge 7/22, 7/23
Charlotte '13
2016: Jacksonville, Greeneville, Columbia
2000: Cincinnati, Columbus, Pittsburgh, Detroit
Cleveland '03
2006: Denver 7/2,7/3, Gorge 7/22, 7/23
Charlotte '13
2016: Jacksonville, Greeneville, Columbia
yeah I can't blame the kid. I'd be too jealous to text you with out being a dick haha
Everyone experiences things differently. Personally didn't feel that these shows held a candle to even Philly 2009, nevermind shows like Mansfield #3 in '03, Katowice '00, MSG II in '98, Randall's Island 2 in '96, Springfield '94... They were great, the setlists were cool (including the night 2 hit parade), and Cornell (despite butchering Hunger Strike and Reach Down the first night) was incredible to behold. The museum was pretty ridiculous, I would love to have spent more time there, and God knows I'd kill to spend a week straight in Kevin's archive. However, you had a super drunk singer forgetting some of the words to almost half the songs, guests that didn't always work (I swear to God if I ever see Julian Casablancas in person, I will kill him and save us all from him shitting all over another Pearl Jam song ever again.), and terrible sound in certain parts of the venue.
For the people complaining about the second night's setlist, let me just say this. During the more rare songs on the first night (Push Me Pull Me, Education, In The Moonlight and Help Help most specifically) the crowd was ABSOLUTELY DEAD. Not just on the lawn, but in the first 10 rows even - I had a great view of both sec 102 and the lawn from my spot in 203, and it the songs just fell flat on their faces. If the band's own fan club can't get into the songs, why should they bother playing them? The message was made clear on Friday.
If you're gonna rag on Ed for forgetting lyrics plz take any of the Philly shows out of your best shows ever list. Those are a mess.
I thought Casablancas had some cool ideas and loved the mood he was in, but his voice was a little overbearing during Red Mosquito. Not a big Strokes fan, but I'll definitely check into them further.
I think the Temple songs aside from Hunger Strike just have the wrong vibe for such an important part of the setlist. Maybe they shoulda stuck to the few bigger tunes of theirs. Not a complaint, but nobody can deny that a fair portion of the crowd started twiddling their thumbs about half way through Call Me A Dog.
We can just agree to disagree. Forgetting lyrics is magnified when you have a backup chorus singing the right words to Who You Are, and the singer clusterfucking it, or mangling Sonic Reducer by singing "Don't Need No Mom and Dad" over and over til Mark Arm saves the day and upstages you.
I've seen 90 Pearl Jam shows (and fwiw listened to every single recorded show) and not a single one started out as sloppy as night 1 did after a perfect Release. First sucking the energy out with a boring Arms Aloft cover in the 2 slot, then lyrical fuckups during Got Some and DTE (seriously, they've played it almost every show for 13 years, come on), butchering the inro to In My Tree (and instead of starting again, just playing over it), the aforementioned Who You Are debacle, a Setting Forth that had people bored out of their minds, and then Casablancas scatting all over the stage with that terrible N4U improv... just the worst start to a PJ show I've ever seen. Philly was NOWHERE near that messy at any point. But then again, neither has an PJ "flagpole" show in their history, save for maybe MSG 1 in 98. It certainly rebounded, but I'm not going to pretend that 2 shows that basically started with a 45 minute rehearsal is a "once in a lifetime experience." I had a great time this weekend, 100 percent. And night 2 they came out much more focused and played into the crowds hands with a setlist that was not only heavy on hits but also found the more popular "rarities" and a much more focused band. Doesn't mean that the first half of the first night's main set didn't happen.
I say this respectuflly: give me a f*cking break.
I am glad you had an incredible time. But posting in dozens of threads about how "no one can understand" is so over-the-top and nauseating. It is like you are trying to publicly justify why you went. Tell us you had an amzing time. Don't tell the hundreds of thousands of other 10C members that they can "never understand". Again, no disrespect - but you come off as a douche.
oh so, since say I've never been to Janis Joplin concert means I cannot get it?
I think you're all joking! Or this forum is like being trapped in an absurd play
Maybe this will take some of the bad energy away:
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Yes I am generalizing but like Cervantes said in the great book Don Quixote "...for abundance, even of things that are good, makes people esteem them less"
(he added "and scarcity, even of bad things, lends a certain value")
It's called nit picking
Good thing I am only at 11 shows. (soon to be 14). I still love everything they do.
I wasnt at PJ20 but I would have been if the band was not touring Canada-
We will feel the love in Toronto - you can be sure of that.
Dude, he's been to 19 shows... a self described "veteran" who probably didn't see a single show pre-2003 and is here to tell me how little I know about Pearl Jam because I didn't think it was the greatest weekend ever.
Must respectfully disagree. Maybe I am a selfish prick, but I don't give two hoots if someone doesn't start gyrating on the lawn to In The Moonlight. Their boredom is their own loss. I don't see the problem here. They play all the "hits", every single tune from Ten and Versus and Vitalogy that the casual rock fan knows still shows up in setlists on a regular basis. They can also play some obscure tunes. Some of us love this stuff. PJ keeps both camps happy, assuming you collapse across both nights: Night 2 was full of the classics. This is the sort of comment people mean when they say the negativity is getting crazy. You're unimpressed that they played some rare songs?
My Fan Club section 202 Row JJ was sick for night 1. Everyone of those rarities were being sung by everyone around me. It was amazing. As far as my eye could see everyone was into "In the Moonlight", "Help Help", "Push Me Pull Me", etc. Was blown away by those songs and the fan participation.
I really think you get out of these shows what you put into them. If you had a sick time it's because you were in the right mind set.
I thought it was the best two nights of Pearl Jam I've experienced.
Magical would describe it for me. Loved, loved, loved all the rarities and thought they mixed it up great.
Night two was better as the a fore mentioned flubs at the beginning after Release, but I forgive those issues as overall even night one was amazing.
Can't wait for the next time!
-Wilds
Yeah, see I didn't see this before when we were talking in the other thread. I am the same dude who wrote a 2000 word article last week explaining what the rarest songs in the PJ catalog are - I LOVE that shit. What I'm saying is that when there's 37,000 people at a show, and 35,000 of them aren't into the song, it sends the message to the band that the song is TOO obscure, especially when I'm looking at the fan club sections and there's just not a lot of rockin going on. That's what I meant by that. I'm still pissed they didn't play Girl personally. :evil: