A letter from a greatful immigrant

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  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    SatansFuton wrote:
    I'll re-phrase that, most posts in conversations I've had with you. I could go digging through some of the conversations (and PM's but that would be against the rules) but the thread isn't about you and I. Or even about drugs for that matter. And you shouldn't tell people to Shut Up, good way to get a thread locked, but I'll drop it as well. Not trying to derail a thread with a personal argument.

    :lol:
  • SatansFuton
    SatansFuton Posts: 5,399
    Just in case you're interested though...

    Hamilton Police Beat and Bloody Wrong Man in Botched Drug Raid
    http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/content/2010/05/07/Hamilton-Police-Beat-and-Bloody-Wrong-Man-Botched-Drug-Raid

    ​A Canadian man is demanding an apology after his home was raided at gunpoint Thursday by police who thought the scent of a skunk living under his home meant he was growing marijuana.
    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2011/01/09/Canadian-demands-apology-for-mistaken-raid/UPI-36251294610031/

    It's not just an American thing. Doesn't excuse anything that happened here though. But we aren't the only ones with over zealous police.

    Edit: I accidentally used the same link for the two different stories, fixed.
    "See a broad to get dat booty yak 'em, leg 'er down, a smack 'em yak 'em!"
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    has no one told godfather he spelled grateful wrong? ... every time i see the topic - i feel bad for him ... :shock:
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,546
    pandora wrote:
    Go Beavers wrote:
    I don't know if you're referring to food stamps here or not, but illegals can't get food stamps. Also, the whole thing about Americans being taxed too much is entitled complaining. If someone is taxed too much to where they can't afford decent food, then their spending is way off. If someone's income is low and they can't afford food, then that's a different story. They likely pay little in taxes and may qualify for food stamps which can help them afford better food.
    Yes I was speaking of food stamps
    and yes the children born to illegal immigrants can get food stamp coverage and other aid.

    Is it now over half the population in America is on food stamps? :?

    Many selling them... not even using them.

    My daughter is working her way thru college... paying student loans and books
    and all her living expenses

    her spending is not way off and she can not afford the luxuries now ... like fresh fruit
    and clothing... which is available and plentiful in the stores to those on aid.

    She is and most are taxed way too much ... entitiled complaining :wtf:
    perhaps you may still be red white and blue... not me not after all this crap.

    My son is taxed a third of his paycheck a week... he's not interested in fresh fruit ;)
    but would like to be financially able to go out on the weekend
    after working 60- 70 hours a week, back breaking work I might add and have some fun.
    He earned it!

    Instead he see his money going to the illegal immigrant family in line at the grocery store....
    people who stormed our country. Lets talk who thinks they are entitled!

    Its not that we don't want to give a reasonable amount but when will this flooding into America stop
    and with hands out for more more more.

    Then we hear the country's economy is failing...we are printing more money
    we lost our AAA rating so everyones credit card debt will go up due to a raise in interest....
    some people are using credit cards to live on. 401K retirement money... hard earned is disappearing,
    houses no longer a nest egg...

    but we can still afford to take care of an army of illegal immigrants and unemployed?

    No we can't.

    If growth in aid continues there will be a break...
    one of some kind cause we are making funny money to cover it
    and talking taking benefits away from our legal elderly citizens. :crazy:

    At least Ga is trying to take a stand and say out.. don't come here
    we will put others to work in your place you are draining our economy.

    Even if it doesn't work it helps the moral of the working class who are drowning.

    We can put those on unemployment back to work...
    we can help find work for those recently released from prison or jail.

    We can take back our country and try to make it work again.

    About %15 of the U.S. population is on food stamps, but if you think it's half, maybe you're overblowing things a bit. Children of illegals can't get food stamps either. Maybe you're thinking of WIC, which doesn't have citizenship requirements and is for mother's and children under 5 of poor nutrition. How does your son know all those people in the check-out line aren't American? Is he checking documentation, or assuming? Are you assuming?

    I'm not sure why you're daughter is taking students loans and at the same time paying them. It's likely she has minimal tax withheld from her paycheck, and if it's more than that, she likely gets a chunk back in the Spring.

    Your son's taxes mostly goes to pay for two wars, an oversized military, and our debt. A small fraction goes to people on food stamps. If a third of his paycheck goes to taxes, and he works 60-70 hrs/wk, then most likely he is spending his money in the wrong places if he can't go out on the weekend. He might get a return in the Spring, too.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Go Beavers wrote:
    About %15 of the U.S. population is on food stamps, but if you think it's half, maybe you're overblowing things a bit. Children of illegals can't get food stamps either. Maybe you're thinking of WIC, which doesn't have citizenship requirements and is for mother's and children under 5 of poor nutrition. How does your son know all those people in the check-out line aren't American? Is he checking documentation, or assuming? Are you assuming?

    I'm not sure why you're daughter is taking students loans and at the same time paying them. It's likely she has minimal tax withheld from her paycheck, and if it's more than that, she likely gets a chunk back in the Spring.

    Your son's taxes mostly goes to pay for two wars, an oversized military, and our debt. A small fraction goes to people on food stamps. If a third of his paycheck goes to taxes, and he works 60-70 hrs/wk, then most likely he is spending his money in the wrong places if he can't go out on the weekend. He might get a return in the Spring, too.

    My girl is paying the loans cause she doesn't want to owe a lot when she gets out of school.
    She tries to keep up with them some. She got a return but not a whopper one

    Well I think we may be assuming considering we are in Ga, lots of illegals here
    but maybe not for long

    I think its got to be more than 15% here seeing what we see every day.
    It's like a third of the shoppers when you go to the stores in our area
    middle to upper class. And that is a recent surge.

    I wonder what is the wrong places... when its your money what you choose is right you know
    it's what you want and need. He doesn't waste money if thats what you mean and
    he's super thrifty much better than me and goes to cheap places too.


    thanks for all the great info..I will check your facts ;):D

    but mostly pass it on to my children who feel like
    they are getting crapped on like most Americans
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    pandora wrote:
    A New Jim Crow... sensationalism at its best :lol:


    I think it funny when people who don't live in a region or country,
    do not experience it first hand,
    can pass judgements and feel they know and understand more than those that live it daily
    those that see the downfall in their hometowns.

    No, it's not sensationalism. llegal immigrants are to be barred from regular employment but it will still be fine to employ them to wash, cook, clean or look after the kids. It's a Jim Crow era style law. Pure and simple.


    And as for where I live, and my right to comment on whatever the fuck I choose to comment on, this is irrelevant.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    pandora wrote:
    Is it now over half the population in America is on food stamps? :?
    My son is taxed a third of his paycheck a week... he's not interested in fresh fruit ;)
    but would like to be financially able to go out on the weekend
    after working 60- 70 hours a week, back breaking work I might add and have some fun.
    He earned it!
    ...
    You need to check your sources and pull real world numbers. Here is my withholding:
    Tax withholdings is 22%... Federal and State with Medicare and Social Security.
    My tax liability is not going to be 22% because i have Schedule a write-offs to knock my gross annual income to a lower, taxable income.
    ...
    At 33.3%, Your son is having too much withheld. Have him change his W-4.
    ADD... The withholding is NOT the tax rate.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Cosmo wrote:
    ..
    You need to check your sources and pull real world numbers. Here is my withholding:
    Tax withholdings is 22%... Federal and State with Medicare and Social Security.
    My tax liability is not going to be 22% because i have Schedule a write-offs to knock my gross annual income to a lower, taxable income.
    ...
    At 33.3%, Your son is having too much withheld. Have him change his W-4.
    ADD... The withholding is NOT the tax rate.

    Cosmo, is your real name Andy Dufresne? ;)
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    polaris_x wrote:
    has no one told godfather he spelled grateful wrong? ... every time i see the topic - i feel bad for him ... :shock:


    in my head ive told him... im hoping he picks up the vibes. 8-)
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    pandora wrote:
    ....
    The South's climate and proximity to Mexico
    has attracted a huge percentage of the illegal workers
    who stormed our country.
    They then had children and now collect aid and over fill the schools
    and have a cause and effect on many things....


    OMG! that must be terrible for you... sounds like an invasion.
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    catefrances wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    ....
    The South's climate and proximity to Mexico
    has attracted a huge percentage of the illegal workers
    who stormed our country.
    They then had children and now collect aid and over fill the schools
    and have a cause and effect on many things....


    OMG! that must be terrible for you... sounds like an invasion.

    We to tell them to get the hell out of here and then say, "NO WAIT, pick our vegetable first, clean our floors, wash our sheets, clean our toilets. Done? You KNOW you're an illegal but here's a few bucks anyway. Ok, now get the hell out of here! (Don't forget to show up next week)."
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    Byrnzie wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    can you elaborate on your Jim Crow laws comparison?
    I am interested. I don't see separate but equal anywhere.


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... on-alabama


    Immigration laws in the south: a new Jim Crow

    Lawmakers in southern states enacting harsh measures against illegal workers are exempting domestics – a stunning hypocrisy

    guardian.co.uk, Sunday 21 August 2011



    Anyone who follows politics long enough develops a certain immunity towards cynicism. It becomes hard to be shocked or disappointed by the too often self-serving and hypocritical actions of our elected officials.

    So, it was almost refreshing while covering harsh new immigration laws in the deep south of the United States to discover that architects of an especially tough new law in Alabama had put in a provision that would exempt "casual domestic labour".

    I was actually stunned. For the first time in ages. Basically, the good folks in Alabama behind the law were saying that, while companies and factories and farmers and restaurant owners should not dare to employ illegal immigrants (who, according to them, are a threat to the US economy), it was still fine to employ them to wash, cook, clean or look after the kids.

    That this was taking place in a state where, during segregation, wealthy white people used to regularly employ black maids as household help, just added insult to injury. It truly exposed some of the real social and political motivations behind the illegal immigration debate, especially in the south. As Isabel Rubio, of the Hispanic Interest Coalition of Alabama, said to me: "It's Alabama. It means you can still have your Latina household help."

    Defenders of the exemption say it was put in because they did not want to trouble homeowners with having to use the E-Verify system to check someone's immigration status every time they hired casual labour. They say the law would still likely apply to people using long-term, or live-in, domestic employees who are illegal. That cuts no ice with me.

    To my mind, it was simple self-serving hypocrisy. If you don't want brown-skinned illegal immigrants working in Alabama factories and picking Alabama farm crops, then why is it OK for them to – even casually, on a one-off basis – to mow your lawn or wash your clothes or cook your dinner. It was proof that – for a certain sector of the Alabama elite – not so much had changed since the darkest days of Jim Crow.


    interesting. I still don't think that jim Crow laws is a good comparison. Comparing the plight of illegal immigrants is pretty demeaning to the civil rights movement. To be a citizen of a country and deemed unequal is one thing, but when you aren't a citizen, what rights do you expect to have? Now I know this response will get some backlash with people telling me what difference does a border make and blah blah blah...well the borders seem to piss those same people off when corporations move jobs outside them.

    Interesting comparison though. I understand the idea behind it, I just think citizenship is a big component. It you aren't a legal citizen here, what can you expect? a job where you are paid cash that will give you a better life than you came from most of the time.
    I think these laws should all be struck down if they are unconstitutional however, and the inconsistency here will probably leave it open for legal challenge.
    We should just create a guest worker program and let anyone who wants to come in and work here legally, re-applying for their guest worker status every year to make sure they have gotten and are maintaining employment...shouldn't have to be a citizen to work here, but you should have to be legal. It makes much more sense than thinking it is possible to stop illegal immigration in the current set up with a simple fence and more border patrols...it is fighting a losing battle...but I guess we do that all the time on many different fronts so why not do it here...it is no different than the drug war...billions spent on no results and a stigma created in society...Great work.
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Cosmo wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Is it now over half the population in America is on food stamps? :?
    My son is taxed a third of his paycheck a week... he's not interested in fresh fruit ;)
    but would like to be financially able to go out on the weekend
    after working 60- 70 hours a week, back breaking work I might add and have some fun.
    He earned it!
    ...
    You need to check your sources and pull real world numbers. Here is my withholding:
    Tax withholdings is 22%... Federal and State with Medicare and Social Security.
    My tax liability is not going to be 22% because i have Schedule a write-offs to knock my gross annual income to a lower, taxable income.
    ...
    At 33.3%, Your son is having too much withheld. Have him change his W-4.
    ADD... The withholding is NOT the tax rate.
    I do his payroll check :lol: he has no deductions single 0 both state fed
    he gets of course a lot of OT on average which pushes him into a much higher tax bracket
    this what I base the % on

    everyone is paying way too much in taxes ... thats pretty clear to the average American
    especially since its still not enough for the government to make ends meet :?
    and they want more     :wtf:
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    catefrances wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    ....
    The South's climate and proximity to Mexico
    has attracted a huge percentage of the illegal workers
    who stormed our country.
    They then had children and now collect aid and over fill the schools
    and have a cause and effect on many things....


    OMG! that must be terrible for you... sounds like an invasion.
    it has been! :lol:
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Byrnzie wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    A New Jim Crow... sensationalism at its best :lol:


    I think it funny when people who don't live in a region or country,
    do not experience it first hand,
    can pass judgements and feel they know and understand more than those that live it daily
    those that see the downfall in their hometowns.

    No, it's not sensationalism. llegal immigrants are to be barred from regular employment but it will still be fine to employ them to wash, cook, clean or look after the kids. It's a Jim Crow era style law. Pure and simple.


    And as for where I live, and my right to comment on whatever the fuck I choose to comment on, this is irrelevant.

    Well I didn't say you couldn't have an opinion you are just not living it and feeling it
    was what I said which is true .... imo.

    as far as the law its how you look at it and what it is meant to accomplish
    its to get an American Workforce back in place

    off welfare, off unemployment, off draining the state and the country,
    get Americans back to work

    to help those get placed into jobs that employers may not want to hire
    like the recently released from incarceration.

    Also the students... the young who really need summer jobs
    or part time work to aid their schooling.

    These are Americans in need. Its time to take care of ourselves.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    brianlux wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    ....
    The South's climate and proximity to Mexico
    has attracted a huge percentage of the illegal workers
    who stormed our country.
    They then had children and now collect aid and over fill the schools
    and have a cause and effect on many things....


    OMG! that must be terrible for you... sounds like an invasion.

    We to tell them to get the hell out of here and then say, "NO WAIT, pick our vegetable first, clean our floors, wash our sheets, clean our toilets. Done? You KNOW you're an illegal but here's a few bucks anyway. Ok, now get the hell out of here! (Don't forget to show up next week)."
    They can not be employed to pick veggies anymore that will go to the employable.

    As far as domestic that is because it is not a business...
    it is private people hiring within the home.
    But as I understand there is a clause for that also ..
    and as the law goes further on those who employ others in the home
    on a regular basis may have do e verify also.

    this law is opening jobs in every industry for the legal workers

    the problem is once you pay someone to do nothing will they ever want to do something again?

    Answer when the free funds run out they will have to.
  • MotoDC
    MotoDC Posts: 947
    We should just create a guest worker program and let anyone who wants to come in and work here legally, re-applying for their guest worker status every year to make sure they have gotten and are maintaining employment...shouldn't have to be a citizen to work here, but you should have to be legal
    This is exactly what we have. Do you really think you have to be a citizen to work or study here legally? Maybe you were being sarcastic. I agree with 97% (I did a study) of your posts, so I'm going to make myself comfortable by assuming that.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    polaris_x wrote:
    has no one told godfather he spelled grateful wrong? ... every time i see the topic - i feel bad for him ... :shock:
    I'm very awear of my spelling as are most of you, no need to feel bad for me but thanks for pointing it out
    anyway ;) if my spelling is the worst of my faults then I'd say things are pretty good on my end.

    G.R.A.T.E.F.U.L......got it buddy,thank you.

    Godfather.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    pandora wrote:
    I do his payroll check :lol: he has no deductions single 0 both state fed
    he gets of course a lot of OT on average which pushes him into a much higher tax bracket
    this what I base the % on

    everyone is paying way too much in taxes ... thats pretty clear to the average American
    especially since its still not enough for the government to make ends meet :?
    and they want more     :wtf:
    ...
    Since you are doing his payroll... then, why don't you adjust his W-4 so he can get more from each paycheck (instead of having his employer withhold the excess)? You should try to make it so he breaks even, instead of getting a tax refund.
    ...
    By the way... I make just over a six figure salary and paid about 16% income taxes last year. I am older, so I will probably get Social Security payments after I retire (and I do not have a problem paying my share if it helps the generations before me... including the ones who fought in WWII).
    ..
    Also, have you thought about a tax deferred saving account for him? That reduces his gross income and drops him lower on the Tax Table.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    pandora wrote:
    ...as far as the law its how you look at it and what it is meant to accomplish
    its to get an American Workforce back in place off welfare, off unemployment, off draining the state and the country, get Americans back to work to help those get placed into jobs that employers may not want to hire like the recently released from incarceration.

    Also the students... the young who really need summer jobs or part time work to aid their schooling.

    These are Americans in need. Its time to take care of ourselves.
    ...
    I hear this all the time... but, I never hear about HOW to get it accomplished.
    Like, what about the people who used to manufacture washing machines and televisions? Good paying jobs with health care benefits that used to be the backbone of American manufacturing? Where do propose they work? In onion fields... cleaning toilets in hotels for minimum wage (or less)?
    If these jobs were covered by Americans under the protection of OSHA regulations (safe working environment, minimum pay, maximum work hours)... driving up operatin costs to the company. Would you complain about the cost of fruits and vegetables?
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    Hail, Hail!!!

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