A letter from a greatful immigrant

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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    which part of town, city, county, state, province, coast, country, religion.....it would be nice when people get over the bullshit that they really had nothing to do with.

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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    I love my country.
    Why do I love my country? Here's why...
    I love America for the basic foundations of what this nation has the potential of accomplishing. That we are bound to a document that basically grants rights... instead of limiting freedoms. I love the fact that our Constitution relies more upon laws that state, 'Congress Shall NOT...', rather than 'Thou Shalt Not...'.
    I love it that I am free to voice my dissent on what this country does to me... and is doing to other people in other nations in my name... and am protected from my country by her own founding principles.
    I love the fact that I do NOT have to agree with actions my country undertake... and can assemble with fellow countrymen, in peaceful dissent.
    I love it that I do not have to wave my flag, pledge some creepy alligence to it... or wear some bullshit enamelled pin that was made in China on my lapel or take up arms to kill other people to prove my patriotism to her. I wear my country in my heart and don't have to prove it to anyone.
    I love that I can be honest with America and can point out all of her blemishes and imperfections... because she has many blemishes and is far from being perfect... but, I still love her.
    I love America... mainly because, she is home.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    MotoDC wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    you all know where I stand on immigration ....I think, but why is this guy's letter bullshit ?


    Godfather.
    Because it paints America in a positive light...any positive light...and this Byrnzie will not take sitting down! :twisted:

    More bollocks.

    The bollocks in this thread seems to be contagious.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Godfather. wrote:
    so you guy's don't like this guy's letter because it paint's America in a positive light ?

    No. That's just what MotoDC said. MotoDC doesn't represent 'us guys'.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    I think the letter is sincere though a bit naive. My reaction to it is that it is a little bit like someone who has come out of a horribly physically abusive relationship into one which is passive aggressive, negligent and domineering. The later is better than the form but far from what one should expect.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    SatansFuton wrote:
    Godfather, you should know that the general consensus around here is "America and everything American sucks".

    This isn't true though, is it.

    I've been posting here for five years and I've never read anyone saying that "America and everything American sucks" or words to that effect.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    IrishGuy wrote:
    What a crock of sh*t. Excuse me while I vomit....

    i concur.


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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    brianlux wrote:
    I think the letter is sincere though a bit naive. My reaction to it is that it is a little bit like someone who has come out of a horribly physically abusive relationship into one which is passive aggressive, negligent and domineering. The later is better than the form but far from what one should expect.
    ...
    Naive is right. It is a pretty simple message that simple people will take to heart. It isn't 'black and white', as Mr. Simmons states... it is all grey. If you see America as only wearing the white hat... you are fooling yourself. We are often times the guys in the black hats.
    It doesn't mean we are evil or bad.. it means that we do bad and evil things. Trying to whitewash over and/or make excuses or rationalize our actions does not take away from the truth of the matter... those acts are bad and evil. Part of the basic tenents of America is truth. And the truth is often times cold and ugly and shameful... to deny the truth... goes against what America is supposed to stand for.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Godfather. wrote:
    my friend I respect all that you have done with your life and your talents and as I have said before ..your word but on this topic "America is best" as far as I can see you are wrong this time,can you tell me a better place to live ? or is your statement not about living here but the flaws we have as a country ? but still to me and many others this is the best country in the world even with it's flaws.


    Godfather.

    How many countries have you visited Godfather?
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Godfather. wrote:
    my friend I respect all that you have done with your life and your talents and as I have said before ..your word but on this topic "America is best" as far as I can see you are wrong this time,can you tell me a better place to live ? or is your statement not about living here but the flaws we have as a country ? but still to me and many others this is the best country in the world even with it's flaws.


    Godfather.


    i can... australia. even lex luthor thought it. 8-)
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  • Suzi78
    Suzi78 Posts: 362
    Godfather, so based on spending 6 months in Mexico and a few weeks in Canada you have come to the conclusion that the US is the best place in the world...? There are 196 countries in the world you know...and I've only been to about 15 of them and lived in 4 of them (including the US), and I still cannot say that there is one best place in the world. How can I? It all depends on so many different factors. I've found though that most people in the US who share your opinion, are people who barely have left their own state, well except for that spring break vacation in Cabo...so how can you possibly come to the conclusion that this is the best place to live in when you haven't seen much of the rest of the world? You sound pretty ignorant in my opinion.

    Run away my Godfather. See it all. Oh see the world.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    My favourite place in America is The Grand Canyon & Mesa Verde National Park.

    America has some nice places, but I don't think I'd want to live there.

    I'd rather live somewhere like Cuba, Thailand, or even just right here in China, where life isn't so...sanitized.

    Also, I've heard that Columbia is a pretty cool country.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Byrnzie wrote:
    My favourite place in America is The Grand Canyon & Mesa Verde National Park.

    America has some nice places, but I don't think I'd want to live there.

    I'd rather live somewhere like Cuba, Thailand, or even just right here in China, where life isn't so...sanitized.

    Also, I've heard that Columbia is a pretty cool country.


    like cuba.. or actual cuba??? id like to live in actual cuba... not forever, but for awhile at least. 8-)
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    There are amazing people and amazing places all over the planet.
    Ideologies seem to migrate from one place to another
    and change within each geopolitical area-- eventually.
    What is a country?

    Once it was one's village
    and then it was one's environmental geography
    and then it was one's political geography.

    Today it's a lot of things,
    like the web or music or film or books or the tsunami in Japan.
    Tell me that wasn't part of your world at least for a while.

    Kurt Vonnegut was not the only man without a country.
    I'm not sure what a country is anymore.
    Maybe I'll go back to the village someday.

    In a way, I like your guy's letter, Godfather.
    In a way I wish it were that simple. But I don't think it is.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Also, the U.S would be much better off if it changed sides in the Middle East and ceased bankrolling Israel.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,830
    catefrances wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    my friend I respect all that you have done with your life and your talents and as I have said before ..your word but on this topic "America is best" as far as I can see you are wrong this time,can you tell me a better place to live ? or is your statement not about living here but the flaws we have as a country ? but still to me and many others this is the best country in the world even with it's flaws.


    Godfather.


    i can... australia. even lex luthor thought it. 8-)

    Bunch of convicts. :shock:
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,830
    Byrnzie wrote:
    My favourite place in America is The Grand Canyon & Mesa Verde National Park.

    America has some nice places, but I don't think I'd want to live there.

    I'd rather live somewhere like Cuba, Thailand, or even just right here in China, where life isn't so...sanitized.

    Also, I've heard that Columbia is a pretty cool country.


    What do you mean by sanitized? Because I would think that in some sense, a life in China and Cuba is equally if not more sanitized...same with Columbia. Don't know much about Thailand. Have spoken in detail with someone else that lived there for a number of years with their family and they loved it.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    cincybearcat wrote:
    What do you mean by sanitized? Because I would think that in some sense, a life in China and Cuba is equally if not more sanitized...same with Columbia.

    I mean a bit overdone in the convenience/comfort department.

    England's the same. Most people are stuck in a cozy routine, which consists of going to and from work and then sitting on a couch watching t.v.
    Everything's just a bit too well-greased for my liking.


    I prefer places that are a bit rougher around the edges.
  • IrishGuy
    IrishGuy Posts: 258
    catefrances wrote:
    IrishGuy wrote:
    What a crock of sh*t. Excuse me while I vomit....

    i concur.


    want me to hold back your hair? :lol:

    Thanks for the offer, but I keep my head shaved these days so there's nothing to hold back. Just pass me the bucket instead. ;)
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    you people make me laugh, cry, and drag my fingers across my eyeballs with lit cigarettes and tacks.
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