A letter from a greatful immigrant
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after re-reading that letter, i think it reads like what some 5th grader would write for one of those theme papers in his social studies class....it just exudes blind love and a very elementary superficial view of this country. like a child would have."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
what would in your opinions be the greatest country in the world to live in ?
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.......let me see if I have this right..if America opened it's borders to anyone,had a single democratic system,allowed gay marriage,had no military,had no death penalty,and higher tax's..then would it be the greatest country in the world ?....or did I miss a few things ?....WAKE UP SUNSHINE !!!!!!
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Godfather. wrote:what would in your opinions be the greatest country in the world to live in ?
Godfather.
From my short travelling experience, and considering every country has its share of problems, I would have to go with either of these:
- Sweden
- Switzerland
- Finland
- Norway
- Belgium
- Canada
- France
I also really liked Australia, but the weather is just too damn hot for me...Mexico City - July 17th 2003
Mexico City - July 18th 2003
Mexico City - July 19th 2003
Monterrey - December 7th 2005
Mexico City - December 9th 2005
Mexico City - December 10th 2005
Mexico City - November 24th 20110 -
Godfather. wrote:.......let me see if I have this right..if America opened it's borders to anyone,had a single democratic system,allowed gay marriage,had no military,had no death penalty,and higher tax's..then would it be the greatest country in the world ?....or did I miss a few things ?....WAKE UP SUNSHINE !!!!!!
Godfather.
sadly ... you don't have it right ... perhaps you are the one who needs to wake up ... free your mind from the partisan biases you are being fed (fox news) and see the world for what it really is ...0 -
Godfather. wrote:.......let me see if I have this right..if America opened it's borders to anyone,had a single democratic system,allowed gay marriage,had no military,had no death penalty,and higher tax's..then would it be the greatest country in the world ?....or did I miss a few things ?....WAKE UP SUNSHINE !!!!!!
Godfather.
we live in a world community. to me when people spout off about how great america is, it just reeks of a superiority complex that we seem to have here in this country. it is like trash talking on the basketball court or something. participating in that does not help the situation...all it does is piss off people from other places or those on other "teams"...
i am a good guitar player. i don't brag about it. i work in medicine and help people every day. i am good at that and i don't brag about it. i don't gloat about it and i don't celebrate the fact that i have it better than a lot of people. i also have a lot of bad things about me as well, but all of those things make up who i am. this country has a lot of good things and a lot of bad things about it. i choose to accept it for what it is. i give it credit when deserved and i criticize it when deserved, which is much more often than i care to admit unfortunately... and there is nothing wrong with calling things as they are."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
gimmesometruth27 wrote:Godfather. wrote:.......let me see if I have this right..if America opened it's borders to anyone,had a single democratic system,allowed gay marriage,had no military,had no death penalty,and higher tax's..then would it be the greatest country in the world ?....or did I miss a few things ?....WAKE UP SUNSHINE !!!!!!
Godfather.
we live in a world community. to me when people spout off about how great america is, it just reeks of a superiority complex that we seem to have here in this country. it is like trash talking on the basketball court or something. participating in that does not help the situation...all it does is piss off people from other places or those on other "teams"...
i am a good guitar player. i don't brag about it. i work in medicine and help people every day. i am good at that and i don't brag about it. i don't gloat about it and i don't celebrate the fact that i have it better than a lot of people. i also have a lot of bad things about me as well, but all of those things make up who i am. this country has a lot of good things and a lot of bad things about it. i choose to accept it for what it is. i give it credit when deserved and i criticize it when deserved, which is much more often than i care to admit unfortunately... and there is nothing wrong with calling things as they are.
my friend I respect all that you have done with your life and your talents and as I have said before ..your word but on this topic "America is best" as far as I can see you are wrong this time,can you tell me a better place to live ? or is your statement not about living here but the flaws we have as a country ? but still to me and many others this is the best country in the world even with it's flaws.
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Godfather. wrote:.......let me see if I have this right..if America opened it's borders to anyone,had a single democratic system,allowed gay marriage,had no military,had no death penalty,and higher tax's..then would it be the greatest country in the world ?....or did I miss a few things ?....WAKE UP SUNSHINE !!!!!!
Godfather.
I don't think anyone is about opening our borders to just anyone. Of course there should be an application process, but the general criteria should be that whoever enters is not a criminal and is here to make their life and this country better.
I'm not sure what you mean by a single democratic system? Do you mean a strong federal government with most laws coming from there and less decided by the states? I know that I personally am not for that arrangement. Others may argue differently. I prefer governance to be as localized as possible, right down to the family and individual wherever possible.
Gay marriage? Again-- voluntary associations between adults which have no bearing on the lives of people outside of those associations should be 100% permissible in my eyes. THAT is liberty. You definitely don't have to like it, or even accept it for yourself, but why deny others their right to freely associate with whoever they want to, while calling it whatever they want to?
No one advocates having ZERO military. The staunchest of liberals probably actually want as much probably want as much protection from outside invaders as you, maybe even more-- after all, many seem to like the idea of state provided surveillance and police, why wouldn't that translate to our military, FBI, and CIA? Cutting money for "defense" shouldn't be cutting money for actual "defense,"-- the cuts should be for the military industrial complex. There are billions on the books, and probably trillions off the books in wasteful spending blowing up countries, re-building them, blowing up our own vehicles and sending more over that needs to be stopped, just so a few individuals can profit off of this process. Listen to Ike Eisenhower's speech warning against the military industrial complex when he left office. His words couldn't ring truer today.
Death Penalty -- I understand how people think this is a deterrent, and rids the world of some bad people. It does. However, to give the government monopoly use of lethal force in my eyes is wrong. Self defense should be permissible for all people, and the only scenario when lethal force should be used. People who have committed crimes against humanity should be thrown in a cell with bare minimal care provided to them. There lives however, should not be taken from them.
Higher Taxes? I guess it depends on how they are used, and how "together" the people of a country are, as well as the size of the country. I personally would never advocate higher taxes for America, ever. Too much of the money is horribly mis-spent and disappears trillions at a time to some black hole somewhere, all while 300 million people with 300 million different agendas try and figure out a way to get a piece of their action back through the same system. I was just in Canada this past weekend, and I was in one of the most beautiful cities I've ever seen, Montreal, where businesses appeared to be thriving, and the tax rates are probably greater than America. Now, I was only in one city for a few days, so it's really hard to say if that has anything to do with it, but I'll say that Montreal had their shit together. Canada's overall population is only the size of California's, and I have no idea what their debt to GDP ratio is, or what their government is REALLY like. I know that I saw tons of competition in businesses there, about 3 cops the whole weekend who really didn't need to lift a finger, the cleanest city I've ever seen in my life, good infrastructure, food was kind of shittybut, I know they're hardly involved in any overseas conflicts and surely don't have bases in every country in the world, and I had a fuckin blast. To attribute it all the higher taxes combined with significantly LESS government in some areas than the USA might be shortsighted... But-- maybe there is a certain efficiency to size ratio where a few extra bucks towards government employees / programs who share a similar vision of providing public service actually work to provide it might be ok? Generally speaking, my overall philosophy is to let the market figure out the best way to deliver services as much as possible. Everyday, we vote with our wallets religiously, and should take this vote very seriously.
So how does America get to becoming the greatest country ever, undisputably? Stop bombing the shit out of everyone, end all corporate subsidies and corporate welfare immediately, legalize all forms of personal freedom first, and then transition out of the social safety net programs by allowing people to opt out of them. Give it 40 years with these ideas put into practice and I believe people would find us to be the most peaceful, prosperous, and diverse country in the world.0 -
august 23, 2011: Vinny Goomba comes out of the closet and declares himself a socialist without actually saying it.
hahahaha0 -
polaris_x wrote:august 23, 2011: Vinny Goomba comes out of the closet and declares himself a socialist without actually saying it.
hahahaha
You know you and I really aren't all that different. Just the labels. Although I REALLY, REALLY am a voluntarist at heart, I wouldn't mind getting there by completely eliminating parts of government in tons of areas, while improving its efficiency in others, before completely doing without it all together.
I don't know if I've made it clear yet,, but I was very impressed with Montreal!
Then again, I was WASTED for 3/4 of the experience0 -
caifan82 wrote:Godfather. wrote:what would in your opinions be the greatest country in the world to live in ?
Godfather.
From my short travelling experience, and considering every country has its share of problems, I would have to go with either of these:
- Sweden
- Switzerland
- Finland
- Norway
- Belgium
- Canada
- France
I also really liked Australia, but the weather is just too damn hot for me...
....sorry man but you answered
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polaris_x wrote:august 23, 2011: Vinny Goomba comes out of the closet and declares himself a socialist without actually saying it.
hahahaha
You know what else? I think I tend to suffer from "hood mentality" as 2Pac would put it, as in, you spend so much time in one spot that you don't believe anywhere else exists aside from that spot.
The past few weeks have had me in Lake George, NY, Provincetown, MA (North Truro really, but I spent some time in P-Town, great place), and Montreal, CA. All of which are considered to be very "liberal" but everyone had a very FREE feeling about them, as opposed to certain small cities in the Hudson Valley, NY where I live and spend most of my time, which also is considered to be very "liberal", but the local government is totally up your ass about everything. Spend some time on the PJ forums, read the news a bit, and it gets pretty depressing. Moral of the story: spend as much of your time on vacations and at bachelor parties as possible!0 -
VINNY GOOMBA wrote:Godfather. wrote:.......let me see if I have this right..if America opened it's borders to anyone,had a single democratic system,allowed gay marriage,had no military,had no death penalty,and higher tax's..then would it be the greatest country in the world ?....or did I miss a few things ?....WAKE UP SUNSHINE !!!!!!
Godfather.
I don't think anyone is about opening our borders to just anyone. Of course there should be an application process, but the general criteria should be that whoever enters is not a criminal and is here to make their life and this country better.
I'm not sure what you mean by a single democratic system? Do you mean a strong federal government with most laws coming from there and less decided by the states? I know that I personally am not for that arrangement. Others may argue differently. I prefer governance to be as localized as possible, right down to the family and individual wherever possible.
Gay marriage? Again-- voluntary associations between adults which have no bearing on the lives of people outside of those associations should be 100% permissible in my eyes. THAT is liberty. You definitely don't have to like it, or even accept it for yourself, but why deny others their right to freely associate with whoever they want to, while calling it whatever they want to?
No one advocates having ZERO military. The staunchest of liberals probably actually want as much probably want as much protection from outside invaders as you, maybe even more-- after all, many seem to like the idea of state provided surveillance and police, why wouldn't that translate to our military, FBI, and CIA? Cutting money for "defense" shouldn't be cutting money for actual "defense,"-- the cuts should be for the military industrial complex. There are billions on the books, and probably trillions off the books in wasteful spending blowing up countries, re-building them, blowing up our own vehicles and sending more over that needs to be stopped, just so a few individuals can profit off of this process. Listen to Ike Eisenhower's speech warning against the military industrial complex when he left office. His words couldn't ring truer today.
Death Penalty -- I understand how people think this is a deterrent, and rids the world of some bad people. It does. However, to give the government monopoly use of lethal force in my eyes is wrong. Self defense should be permissible for all people, and the only scenario when lethal force should be used. People who have committed crimes against humanity should be thrown in a cell with bare minimal care provided to them. There lives however, should not be taken from them.
Higher Taxes? I guess it depends on how they are used, and how "together" the people of a country are, as well as the size of the country. I personally would never advocate higher taxes for America, ever. Too much of the money is horribly mis-spent and disappears trillions at a time to some black hole somewhere, all while 300 million people with 300 million different agendas try and figure out a way to get a piece of their action back through the same system. I was just in Canada this past weekend, and I was in one of the most beautiful cities I've ever seen, Montreal, where businesses appeared to be thriving, and the tax rates are probably greater than America. Now, I was only in one city for a few days, so it's really hard to say if that has anything to do with it, but I'll say that Montreal had their shit together. Canada's overall population is only the size of California's, and I have no idea what their debt to GDP ratio is, or what their government is REALLY like. I know that I saw tons of competition in businesses there, about 3 cops the whole weekend who really didn't need to lift a finger, the cleanest city I've ever seen in my life, good infrastructure, food was kind of shittybut, I know they're hardly involved in any overseas conflicts and surely don't have bases in every country in the world, and I had a fuckin blast. To attribute it all the higher taxes combined with significantly LESS government in some areas than the USA might be shortsighted... But-- maybe there is a certain efficiency to size ratio where a few extra bucks towards government employees / programs who share a similar vision of providing public service actually work to provide it might be ok? Generally speaking, my overall philosophy is to let the market figure out the best way to deliver services as much as possible. Everyday, we vote with our wallets religiously, and should take this vote very seriously.
So how does America get to becoming the greatest country ever, undisputably? Stop bombing the shit out of everyone, end all corporate subsidies and corporate welfare immediately, legalize all forms of personal freedom first, and then transition out of the social safety net programs by allowing people to opt out of them. Give it 40 years with these ideas put into practice and I believe people would find us to be the most peaceful, prosperous, and diverse country in the world....great answers ,maybe not what I was looking for but still great...I'm starting to see your points but still imo the best country in the world, thanks.
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Godfather. wrote:
my friend I respect all that you have done with your life and your talents and as I have said before ..your word but on this topic "America is best" as far as I can see you are wrong this time,can you tell me a better place to live ? or is your statement not about living here but the flaws we have as a country ? but still to me and many others this is the best country in the world even with it's flaws.
Godfather.
If you have lots of money (or even comparatively) and are into the consumerism thing, and want THINGS, then America could very well be the place to be.
However, the guy who got in a car accident and has no health insurance, having to foot a bill of tens of thousands of dollars, probably doesn't think America is the best.
I'm a dual citizen (USA and Canada), there are a lot of things I love about both countries, and things that I think both countries could most certainly improve on. I've had the opportunity to visit Europe a couple times, and well, I'm not sure you could have a better life than living in Siena Italy if that's your thing. I think greatest country in the world is completely subjective based on the person, what they want out of life, and what they feel a society should do. For instance, I would never want to live in Dubai, but I'm sure some of the rick dudes there think it's a pretty great place to live.
So maybe for you, the USA is the best place for you to live in and I can't take that away from YOU as an individual. However, thinking somewhere is the best place doesn't mean you love everything about it.Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V0 -
VINNY GOOMBA wrote:
I don't know if I've made it clear yet,, but I was very impressed with Montreal!
Then again, I was WASTED for 3/4 of the experience ;)Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V0 -
Godfather. wrote:caifan82 wrote:Godfather. wrote:what would in your opinions be the greatest country in the world to live in ?
Godfather.
From my short travelling experience, and considering every country has its share of problems, I would have to go with either of these:
- Sweden
- Switzerland
- Finland
- Norway
- Belgium
- Canada
- France
I also really liked Australia, but the weather is just too damn hot for me...
....sorry man but you answered
Godfather.
I didn't say they are better that the united states. You asked in our opinions which where the best countries to live in. From the list of all the countries I've ever been to, those were the ones I liked the best and where I could see myself living. I didn't include the US for the simple reason that I've never been there, because they have rejected my visa application twice.Mexico City - July 17th 2003
Mexico City - July 18th 2003
Mexico City - July 19th 2003
Monterrey - December 7th 2005
Mexico City - December 9th 2005
Mexico City - December 10th 2005
Mexico City - November 24th 20110 -
Godfather. wrote:VINNY GOOMBA wrote:Godfather. wrote:.......let me see if I have this right..if America opened it's borders to anyone,had a single democratic system,allowed gay marriage,had no military,had no death penalty,and higher tax's..then would it be the greatest country in the world ?....or did I miss a few things ?....WAKE UP SUNSHINE !!!!!!
Godfather.
I don't think anyone is about opening our borders to just anyone. Of course there should be an application process, but the general criteria should be that whoever enters is not a criminal and is here to make their life and this country better.
I'm not sure what you mean by a single democratic system? Do you mean a strong federal government with most laws coming from there and less decided by the states? I know that I personally am not for that arrangement. Others may argue differently. I prefer governance to be as localized as possible, right down to the family and individual wherever possible.
Gay marriage? Again-- voluntary associations between adults which have no bearing on the lives of people outside of those associations should be 100% permissible in my eyes. THAT is liberty. You definitely don't have to like it, or even accept it for yourself, but why deny others their right to freely associate with whoever they want to, while calling it whatever they want to?
No one advocates having ZERO military. The staunchest of liberals probably actually want as much probably want as much protection from outside invaders as you, maybe even more-- after all, many seem to like the idea of state provided surveillance and police, why wouldn't that translate to our military, FBI, and CIA? Cutting money for "defense" shouldn't be cutting money for actual "defense,"-- the cuts should be for the military industrial complex. There are billions on the books, and probably trillions off the books in wasteful spending blowing up countries, re-building them, blowing up our own vehicles and sending more over that needs to be stopped, just so a few individuals can profit off of this process. Listen to Ike Eisenhower's speech warning against the military industrial complex when he left office. His words couldn't ring truer today.
Death Penalty -- I understand how people think this is a deterrent, and rids the world of some bad people. It does. However, to give the government monopoly use of lethal force in my eyes is wrong. Self defense should be permissible for all people, and the only scenario when lethal force should be used. People who have committed crimes against humanity should be thrown in a cell with bare minimal care provided to them. There lives however, should not be taken from them.
Higher Taxes? I guess it depends on how they are used, and how "together" the people of a country are, as well as the size of the country. I personally would never advocate higher taxes for America, ever. Too much of the money is horribly mis-spent and disappears trillions at a time to some black hole somewhere, all while 300 million people with 300 million different agendas try and figure out a way to get a piece of their action back through the same system. I was just in Canada this past weekend, and I was in one of the most beautiful cities I've ever seen, Montreal, where businesses appeared to be thriving, and the tax rates are probably greater than America. Now, I was only in one city for a few days, so it's really hard to say if that has anything to do with it, but I'll say that Montreal had their shit together. Canada's overall population is only the size of California's, and I have no idea what their debt to GDP ratio is, or what their government is REALLY like. I know that I saw tons of competition in businesses there, about 3 cops the whole weekend who really didn't need to lift a finger, the cleanest city I've ever seen in my life, good infrastructure, food was kind of shittybut, I know they're hardly involved in any overseas conflicts and surely don't have bases in every country in the world, and I had a fuckin blast. To attribute it all the higher taxes combined with significantly LESS government in some areas than the USA might be shortsighted... But-- maybe there is a certain efficiency to size ratio where a few extra bucks towards government employees / programs who share a similar vision of providing public service actually work to provide it might be ok? Generally speaking, my overall philosophy is to let the market figure out the best way to deliver services as much as possible. Everyday, we vote with our wallets religiously, and should take this vote very seriously.
So how does America get to becoming the greatest country ever, undisputably? Stop bombing the shit out of everyone, end all corporate subsidies and corporate welfare immediately, legalize all forms of personal freedom first, and then transition out of the social safety net programs by allowing people to opt out of them. Give it 40 years with these ideas put into practice and I believe people would find us to be the most peaceful, prosperous, and diverse country in the world....great answers ,maybe not what I was looking for but still great...I'm starting to see your points but still imo the best country in the world, thanks.
Godfather
Thanks GF. I would love to think America is the greatest, but having only been to 3 other countries for limited amounts of time, I just can't judge, ya know? Lord knows the TV isn't the most trustworthy source as to whether other countries are doing things right or even better than us. I certainly love the idea of America the greatest, the one where liberty and freedom are maximized for everyone. In some ways there have been great strides towards these concepts: greater freedom and equal rights for women, minorities, and more than ever the LGBT community, which I believe are the last group. I think this country has gotten away from these concepts and has taken a step back by becoming too involved in the affairs of other nations, and has taken the earnings of our citizens to do it through a sneaky process of inflation and deficit spending. Subsidies, corporate welfare, and welfare in general have also been a step backwards in my opinion-- I do believe government has grown to the point where it is becoming harder and harder to do business, make a quality product, while trying to do it for less. I do belive competition is constantly stifled here through the actions of government both passively through super tight but well-intentioned regulations, and actively by businesses using the strong arm of goverment to impose regulations to put competitors out of business. I think if there had been a greater effort to apply the principles less government to a larger sum of the people by the founders, that people WOULD be still spilling into this country the way they did at Ellis Island, and would be on their best behavior in the process. That right there would be a huge indicator that the USA was undeniably among the greatest countries out there. Right now, people are doing their best to make it into America from the South most of all, and from some places East and West-- the question you have to ask is, are they heading towards an undeniably better life in the best country, or into one that is only better than the shitty country they are in right now? I don't see people dying to get here from the North-- why is that?0 -
Godfather. wrote:my friend I respect all that you have done with your life and your talents and as I have said before ..your word but on this topic "America is best" as far as I can see you are wrong this time,can you tell me a better place to live ? or is your statement not about living here but the flaws we have as a country ? but still to me and many others this is the best country in the world even with it's flaws.
Godfather.
What other countries have you lived in for an extended period Godfather?
I love where I live, but I know there are other magnificent places all over the world. And although I do believe the USA is a great place to live, I would NEVER say it out loud that it is the BEST place in the world, unless I sampled many of the others. it is a matter of opinion, and it makes us sound too big for our shoes and/or like we're gloating.Pick up my debut novel here on amazon: Jonny Bails Floatin (in paperback) (also available on Kindle for $2.99)0 -
VINNY GOOMBA wrote:Godfather. wrote:.......let me see if I have this right..if America opened it's borders to anyone,had a single democratic system,allowed gay marriage,had no military,had no death penalty,and higher tax's..then would it be the greatest country in the world ?....or did I miss a few things ?....WAKE UP SUNSHINE !!!!!!
Godfather.
Stop bombing the shit out of everyone, end all corporate subsidies and corporate welfare immediately, legalize all forms of personal freedom first, and then transition out of the social safety net programs by allowing people to opt out of them. Give it 40 years with these ideas put into practice and I believe people would find us to be the most peaceful, prosperous, and diverse country in the world.
Agreed with all of these, which is basically the Ron Paul platform. You even put it in order of importance to me. If this makes me a "socialist", so be it.0 -
JonnyPistachio wrote:Godfather. wrote:my friend I respect all that you have done with your life and your talents and as I have said before ..your word but on this topic "America is best" as far as I can see you are wrong this time,can you tell me a better place to live ? or is your statement not about living here but the flaws we have as a country ? but still to me and many others this is the best country in the world even with it's flaws.
Godfather.
What other countries have you lived in for an extended period Godfather?
I love where I live, but I know there are other magnificent places all over the world. And although I do believe the USA is a great place to live, I would NEVER say it out loud that it is the BEST place in the world, unless I sampled many of the others. it is a matter of opinion, and it makes us sound too big for our shoes and/or like we're gloating.
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