More stimulus?

inlet13
inlet13 Posts: 1,979
edited August 2011 in A Moving Train
So, let's see...

can we have a straight MT vote on:

....... more stimulus or not?


(seriously, can you not troll this thread and just vote yes or no, please?... I'm really curious of the answer).
Here's a new demo called "in the fire":

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    I'll stick my neck out and say no. I don't see stimulating an unsustainable way of living and doing business the answer to anything other than the very, very short-term. True green/local economy coupled with learning to live with less... that kind of stimulous I would definitiely vote for.

    Oh wait, were you talking about that morning cup of coffee stimulus thing? Oh, hell yes!
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  • markin ball
    markin ball Posts: 1,076
    Define stimulus.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,404
    more stimulus?

    yes.
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  • inlet13
    inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    markin ball wrote:
    Define stimulus.


    This could be defined a large government approved stamp on government spending in various ways (to individuals, other governments or maybe even corporations) with the goal to create jobs.
    Here's a new demo called "in the fire":

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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Never
  • 81
    81 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    depends....on what it is....

    we need to cut the military to pay for it
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  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    no.

    tired of paying for others stims. Government can't "create" jobs. they can only create an environment conducive to do so for the private sector. I never got a single "stim" check. Didn't get any first time homebuyer credit. Nada. I pay in and I get shit back. I guess I pay too much to get any of my money back...



    wtf is that? Ass backwards if you ask me.

    OP, what's your vote?
  • RFTC
    RFTC Posts: 723
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    no.

    tired of paying for others stims. I never got a single "stim" check. Didn't get any first time homebuyer credit. Nada. I pay in and I get shit back. I guess I pay too much to get any of my money back...

    I think I have never got a tax refund, or whatever those are...

    wtf is that? Ass backwards if you ask me.

    eh, check your paystub, i.e. payroll tax cut (check politifact) or your brokerage statements (tarp by W). if you think the stimulus did nada you have a short memory.

    tarp had a shit ton of problems but it can already be viewed as a factual boost to the market from the bottom of 2008. if you cashed out and missed the 'recovery' to 12k i am sorry...

    having said that, i am short the market but mainly due to ECB shitting the bed right now, i.e. dealing with what we had in 2008.
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  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    You didn't answer the op question smarty pants

    Payroll tax.,.lol
  • RFTC
    RFTC Posts: 723
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    You didn't answer the op question smarty pants

    Payroll tax.,.lol

    i know :? , but i bet you have $ in the market and have benefited from the 1st round of stim, no?
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    MGM Grand - Jul 6, 2006
    Cox Arena - Jul 7, 2006
    New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival - May 1, 2010
    Alpine Valley Music Theater - Sep 3-4 2011
    Made In America, Philly - Sep 2, 2012
    EV, Houston - Nov 12-13, 2012
    Dallas-November 2013
    OKC-November 2013
    ACL 2-October 2014
    Fenway Night 1, August 2016
    Wrigley, Night 1 August 2018
    Fort Worth, Night 1 September 2023
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  • Prince Of Dorkness
    Prince Of Dorkness Posts: 3,763
    My gut says yes.

    But I want to make sure that it's to the right places.

    I want infrastructure. I want new bridges, I want high-speed rails, I want more jobs that can't be out-sourced like fixing things that need to be fixed and building things that will improve American lives. We need to stop patting ourselves for being the "greatest country in the world," admit we're not even close and do something about it. Maybe bring highest-speed internet to the whole country, invest in inner-city schools and projects that mean something.

    Not just gifts to huge corporations with nothing to stop them from just donating it back to lobbyists.
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  • RFTC
    RFTC Posts: 723
    RFTC wrote:
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    You didn't answer the op question smarty pants

    Payroll tax.,.lol

    i know :? , but i bet you have $ in the market and have benefited from the 1st round of stim, no?

    further response as i did not anwer op per my buddy mamasan, i would be ok with a targeted stim for job growth. in particular tax credits for hiring, as an SMB owner, that would accelerate my hiring efforts beyond current. heard perry talk about cutting offshore tax from 35% to zero if they 'promised' to hire, fk that, make it real. you hire a FTE you get the tax credit. SMB would lead the way, don't count on fortune 500 to do as much.
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    MGM Grand - Jul 6, 2006
    Cox Arena - Jul 7, 2006
    New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival - May 1, 2010
    Alpine Valley Music Theater - Sep 3-4 2011
    Made In America, Philly - Sep 2, 2012
    EV, Houston - Nov 12-13, 2012
    Dallas-November 2013
    OKC-November 2013
    ACL 2-October 2014
    Fenway Night 1, August 2016
    Wrigley, Night 1 August 2018
    Fort Worth, Night 1 September 2023
    Fort Worth, Night 2 September 2023
    Austin, Night 1 September 2023
    Austin, Night 2 September 2023
  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    My gut says yes.

    But I want to make sure that it's to the right places.

    I want infrastructure. I want new bridges, I want high-speed rails, I want more jobs that can't be out-sourced like fixing things that need to be fixed and building things that will improve American lives. We need to stop patting ourselves for being the "greatest country in the world," admit we're not even close and do something about it. Maybe bring highest-speed internet to the whole country, invest in inner-city schools and projects that mean something.

    Not just gifts to huge corporations with nothing to stop them from just donating it back to lobbyists.
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  • satansbed
    satansbed Posts: 2,139
    what should, but can't be done is to cut spending and increase taxes a bit until the debt crises is sorted, once that is sorted you can then start rebooting the economy, however, this is politicly impossible, so some tax cuts that boost job creation such as a payroll tax cut etc. and infrastucture spending would be needed to kick start the economy, this should be followed by closing tax loopholes and and increasing tax on people who make over a mil a year
  • butterjam
    butterjam Posts: 221
    No stimulus. It does not work. Why do we have to cut our spending when times are tough, but our gov't gives itself a larger budget and raises? That is just bad economics.

    The stimulus just falsely props up businesses that would otherwise fail. My company will grow when there is a real demand, and not false money, making it grow.
  • MotoDC
    MotoDC Posts: 947
    Just say no to fiscal drugs.
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    No. The government should not be propping up failing businesses. No company is too big to fail.

    Infrastructure investment should not be considered stimulus. It should be considered the cost of being a government.
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  • inlet13
    inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    Right now, looks like the majority (at least in this thread) side with "no".

    I am also a "no" voter.
    Here's a new demo called "in the fire":

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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    keeponrockin wrote:
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    My gut says yes.

    But I want to make sure that it's to the right places.

    I want infrastructure. I want new bridges, I want high-speed rails, I want more jobs that can't be out-sourced like fixing things that need to be fixed and building things that will improve American lives. We need to stop patting ourselves for being the "greatest country in the world," admit we're not even close and do something about it. Maybe bring highest-speed internet to the whole country, invest in inner-city schools and projects that mean something.

    Not just gifts to huge corporations with nothing to stop them from just donating it back to lobbyists.
    This.

    and 3rd this ! :thumbup: ....except the greatest country thing cause we are ;)


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  • markin ball
    markin ball Posts: 1,076
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    No. The government should not be propping up failing businesses. No company is too big to fail.

    Infrastructure investment should not be considered stimulus. It should be considered the cost of being a government.

    Can infrastructure investment act as a stimulus, though? Surely those projects put people to work and then the workers have money to create demand for goods and services, and the snowball begins. Business and production are very dependent on efficient infrastructure so aren't there longer term benefits as well?
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