More stimulus?

inlet13

So, let's see...

can we have a straight MT vote on:

....... more stimulus or not?


(seriously, can you not troll this thread and just vote yes or no, please?... I'm really curious of the answer).

brianlux

I'll stick my neck out and say no. I don't see stimulating an unsustainable way of living and doing business the answer to anything other than the very, very short-term. True green/local economy coupled with learning to live with less... that kind of stimulous I would definitiely vote for.

Oh wait, were you talking about that morning cup of coffee stimulus thing? Oh, hell yes!

markin ball

Define stimulus.

gimmesometruth27

more stimulus?

yes.

inlet13

markin ball wrote:

Define stimulus.

This could be defined a large government approved stamp on government spending in various ways (to individuals, other governments or maybe even corporations) with the goal to create jobs.

unsung

Never

81

depends....on what it is....

we need to cut the military to pay for it

usamamasan1

no.

tired of paying for others stims. Government can't "create" jobs. they can only create an environment conducive to do so for the private sector. I never got a single "stim" check. Didn't get any first time homebuyer credit. Nada. I pay in and I get shit back. I guess I pay too much to get any of my money back...



wtf is that? Ass backwards if you ask me.

OP, what's your vote?

RFTC

usamamasan1 wrote:

no.

tired of paying for others stims. I never got a single "stim" check. Didn't get any first time homebuyer credit. Nada. I pay in and I get shit back. I guess I pay too much to get any of my money back...

I think I have never got a tax refund, or whatever those are...

wtf is that? Ass backwards if you ask me.

eh, check your paystub, i.e. payroll tax cut (check politifact) or your brokerage statements (tarp by W). if you think the stimulus did nada you have a short memory.

tarp had a shit ton of problems but it can already be viewed as a factual boost to the market from the bottom of 2008. if you cashed out and missed the 'recovery' to 12k i am sorry...

having said that, i am short the market but mainly due to ECB shitting the bed right now, i.e. dealing with what we had in 2008.

usamamasan1

You didn't answer the op question smarty pants

Payroll tax.,.lol

RFTC

usamamasan1 wrote:

You didn't answer the op question smarty pants

Payroll tax.,.lol

i know :? , but i bet you have $ in the market and have benefited from the 1st round of stim, no?

Prince Of Dorkness

My gut says yes.

But I want to make sure that it's to the right places.

I want infrastructure. I want new bridges, I want high-speed rails, I want more jobs that can't be out-sourced like fixing things that need to be fixed and building things that will improve American lives. We need to stop patting ourselves for being the "greatest country in the world," admit we're not even close and do something about it. Maybe bring highest-speed internet to the whole country, invest in inner-city schools and projects that mean something.

Not just gifts to huge corporations with nothing to stop them from just donating it back to lobbyists.

RFTC

RFTC wrote:

usamamasan1 wrote:

You didn't answer the op question smarty pants

Payroll tax.,.lol

i know :? , but i bet you have $ in the market and have benefited from the 1st round of stim, no?

further response as i did not anwer op per my buddy mamasan, i would be ok with a targeted stim for job growth. in particular tax credits for hiring, as an SMB owner, that would accelerate my hiring efforts beyond current. heard perry talk about cutting offshore tax from 35% to zero if they 'promised' to hire, fk that, make it real. you hire a FTE you get the tax credit. SMB would lead the way, don't count on fortune 500 to do as much.

keeponrockin

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

My gut says yes.

But I want to make sure that it's to the right places.

I want infrastructure. I want new bridges, I want high-speed rails, I want more jobs that can't be out-sourced like fixing things that need to be fixed and building things that will improve American lives. We need to stop patting ourselves for being the "greatest country in the world," admit we're not even close and do something about it. Maybe bring highest-speed internet to the whole country, invest in inner-city schools and projects that mean something.

Not just gifts to huge corporations with nothing to stop them from just donating it back to lobbyists.

This.

satansbed

what should, but can't be done is to cut spending and increase taxes a bit until the debt crises is sorted, once that is sorted you can then start rebooting the economy, however, this is politicly impossible, so some tax cuts that boost job creation such as a payroll tax cut etc. and infrastucture spending would be needed to kick start the economy, this should be followed by closing tax loopholes and and increasing tax on people who make over a mil a year

butterjam

No stimulus. It does not work. Why do we have to cut our spending when times are tough, but our gov't gives itself a larger budget and raises? That is just bad economics.

The stimulus just falsely props up businesses that would otherwise fail. My company will grow when there is a real demand, and not false money, making it grow.

MotoDC

Just say no to fiscal drugs.

mikepegg44

No. The government should not be propping up failing businesses. No company is too big to fail.

Infrastructure investment should not be considered stimulus. It should be considered the cost of being a government.

inlet13

Right now, looks like the majority (at least in this thread) side with "no".

I am also a "no" voter.

Godfather.

keeponrockin wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

My gut says yes.

But I want to make sure that it's to the right places.

I want infrastructure. I want new bridges, I want high-speed rails, I want more jobs that can't be out-sourced like fixing things that need to be fixed and building things that will improve American lives. We need to stop patting ourselves for being the "greatest country in the world," admit we're not even close and do something about it. Maybe bring highest-speed internet to the whole country, invest in inner-city schools and projects that mean something.

Not just gifts to huge corporations with nothing to stop them from just donating it back to lobbyists.

This.

and 3rd this ! :thumbup: ....except the greatest country thing cause we are


Godfather.

markin ball

mikepegg44 wrote:

No. The government should not be propping up failing businesses. No company is too big to fail.

Infrastructure investment should not be considered stimulus. It should be considered the cost of being a government.

Can infrastructure investment act as a stimulus, though? Surely those projects put people to work and then the workers have money to create demand for goods and services, and the snowball begins. Business and production are very dependent on efficient infrastructure so aren't there longer term benefits as well?