Income + Taxes = VOTE

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 25,073
    yeah why don't we just change the constitution for politial advantage, shall we?
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Blockhead wrote:
    blackredyellow wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    Might be the dumbest thread I've seen on AMT, and that's saying something.

    Every citizen in a democracy has the right to vote. Period. End of discussion.

    +1


    Hey... let's each pick and choose which parts of the Constitution we want to randomly throw out...
    The term in the constitution was "gerneral welfare" which was applied to the individual states in which the Fed would help out the state if need be.
    Also the term welfare has taken on a different meaning today.
    Also, what is our debt again?

    No, "general welfare" is not what anyone is talking about when they brought up the Constitution in this thread...

    Amendment 24 - Poll Tax Barred. Ratified 1/23/1964.

    1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.
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  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    And our Debt.. If we cut EVERYTHING other than Social Security, Medicare, and Defense, we still wouldn't balance the budget. So if people are actually serious about cutting the debt, look at those programs.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 25,073
    funny how people claim to love freedom so much are all about trying to take it away from others...
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Blockhead wrote:
    How so?

    maybe it's just me ... but you are proposing that anyone who receives social assistance have their right to vote taken away from them ... a basic fundamental right in a democracy ... someone could get hit by a drunk driver and require social assistance and then not be allowed to vote ... it's inflammatory that one would even consider taking that right away from anyone - it's something you hear from dictatorships and military regimes ...
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    Those that literally pay nothing into the system ever at all aren't likely to vote anyway.
    Excellent point.
    Blockhead wrote:
    What is not accessible/available to everyone?
    Health/dental insurance.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 25,073
    keeponrockin wrote:
    And our Debt.. If we cut EVERYTHING other than Social Security, Medicare, and Defense, we still wouldn't balance the budget. So if people are actually serious about cutting the debt, look at those programs.
    the thing that people who want to cut social security forget that social security is SELF REPLENISHING. people on SS die every day and people are added to the rolls everyday and the population continues to pay into it every day. it is a BENEFIT program.. if social security was left alone and not taken out of that account to pay for things like wars there would be no issue with social security ever running out.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    blackredyellow wrote:
    No, "general welfare" is not what anyone is talking about when they brought up the Constitution in this thread...

    Amendment 24 - Poll Tax Barred. Ratified 1/23/1964.

    1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.
    oh ok. Well that ammendment was primarly to stop segregation and allow blacks to be able to vote. Although important in history, this is not my point.
    this thread is not meant to segregate groups but for people to understand that political platforms will always lean on those who are dependant on them to win votes. This country is now filled with entitlement programs that has now turned into privliages that people pay for.
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    Blockhead wrote:
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    Blockhead wrote:
    Yeah your right... wait... what opportunities are not made available to everyone?

    If you really think everyone has the exact same opportunities, then this thread might as well end right here.
    Please site examples of where people have been denied opportunities?
    What is not accessible/available to everyone?
    Don't confuse opportunities with how hard some people will have to work compared to someone else...

    trust me, i'm not confusing anything, just looking at the bigger picture.
    Honestly, if you don't know at this point, there's no sense in discussing it...again.
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  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    EmBleve wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    Those that literally pay nothing into the system ever at all aren't likely to vote anyway.
    Excellent point.
    Blockhead wrote:
    What is not accessible/available to everyone?
    Health/dental insurance.
    Yes they are... Do you expect that for free...
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    polaris_x wrote:
    Blockhead wrote:
    How so?

    maybe it's just me ... but you are proposing that anyone who receives social assistance have their right to vote taken away from them ... a basic fundamental right in a democracy ... someone could get hit by a drunk driver and require social assistance and then not be allowed to vote ... it's inflammatory that one would even consider taking that right away from anyone - it's something you hear from dictatorships and military regimes ...
    The title and OP says the word INCOME tax...
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    trust me, i'm not confusing anything, just looking at the bigger picture.
    Honestly, if you don't know at this point, there's no sense in discussing it...again.
    again???, no one has provided a single opportunities that is only availabe to a select few...
    What is your all knowing bigger picture example?
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    Blockhead wrote:
    Yes they are... Do you expect that for free...
    I said nothing about expecting it for free; it is not available or accessible for everyone.
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    EmBleve wrote:
    Blockhead wrote:
    Yes they are... Do you expect that for free...
    I said nothing about expecting it for free; it is not available or accessible for everyone.
    Who? and where is it not available?
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    It is not accessible for anyone who has a job where it is not offered and who doesn't have an extra $250/month to be able to afford it.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Blockhead wrote:
    I think that those who don't pay an income tax should be disqualified from voting, or, alternatively, those on public assistance should be DQed from voting.
    If you don't agree, Why?
    Please take into account the point of a system in which people not paying taxes and getting free money, simply vote to keep the system in place and growing. Leaving a party an easy platform of wanting the growth of "entitlements"...

    see bold
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    And our Debt.. If we cut EVERYTHING other than Social Security, Medicare, and Defense, we still wouldn't balance the budget. So if people are actually serious about cutting the debt, look at those programs.
    the thing that people who want to cut social security forget that social security is SELF REPLENISHING. people on SS die every day and people are added to the rolls everyday and the population continues to pay into it every day. it is a BENEFIT program.. if social security was left alone and not taken out of that account to pay for things like wars there would be no issue with social security ever running out.


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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Blockhead wrote:
    blackredyellow wrote:
    No, "general welfare" is not what anyone is talking about when they brought up the Constitution in this thread...

    Amendment 24 - Poll Tax Barred. Ratified 1/23/1964.

    1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.
    oh ok. Well that ammendment was primarly to stop segregation and allow blacks to be able to vote. Although important in history, this is not my point.
    this thread is not meant to segregate groups but for people to understand that political platforms will always lean on those who are dependant on them to win votes. This country is now filled with entitlement programs that has now turned into privliages that people pay for.

    I agree with you there... both parties play the game... However, more policies are implemented for the benefit of big donors, then for people on welfare.
    My whole life
    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    blackredyellow wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    And our Debt.. If we cut EVERYTHING other than Social Security, Medicare, and Defense, we still wouldn't balance the budget. So if people are actually serious about cutting the debt, look at those programs.
    the thing that people who want to cut social security forget that social security is SELF REPLENISHING. people on SS die every day and people are added to the rolls everyday and the population continues to pay into it every day. it is a BENEFIT program.. if social security was left alone and not taken out of that account to pay for things like wars there would be no issue with social security ever running out.


    ding ding ding... we have a winner!
    Thats the whole point of SS... Its just another fund for the gov.
    Why would anyone think that the gov. taking your money, only to give it back to you when you retire is a good program.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 25,073
    Blockhead wrote:
    Thats the whole point of SS... Its just another fund for the gov.
    Why would anyone think that the gov. taking your money, only to give it back to you when you retire is a good program.
    because you are not paying the government. you are paying the government to distribute those funds to the elderly and infirmed that would surely die without that money. the government is not profitting from it. it is an investment that you will get back at age 65 or if you become disabled or if your spouse dies, or whatever. if the government left it is a lock box like gore so famously wanted to do, it would be solvent for a hundred years. but since we are stealing from it to pay for wars and make sure a budget might balance on paper it is in some trouble. if we left it alone and the rich and corporations paid their share we would be fine.

    but yeah, lets not let those people who receive it vote... :roll:
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