Income + Taxes = VOTE

Cliffy6745

Blockhead wrote:

I think that those who don't pay an income tax should be disqualified from voting, or, alternatively, those on public assistance should be DQed from voting.
If you don't agree, Why?
Please take into account the point of a system in which people not paying taxes and getting free money, simply vote to keep the system in place and growing. Leaving a party an easy platform of wanting the growth of "entitlements"...

So in other words your a racist and don't want minorities voting?

markin ball

They used to do that only they called the voting class "land owners".

gimmesometruth27

if this were to happen, then medger evers, martin luther king, and all of those that worked to gain the vote for african americans will have fought and died in vain. and if i were in dc as a congressman i would never ever allow that to be the case.

Cliffy6745

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

if this were to happen, then medger evers, martin luther king, and all of those that worked to gain the vote for african americans will have fought and died in vain. and if i were in dc as a congressman i would never ever allow that to be the case.

I am fairly confident this isn't something we have worry about happening.

But wow, this place really jumped to the next level since I last stopped by.

Cosmo

Blockhead wrote:

I think that those who don't pay an income tax should be disqualified from voting, or, alternatively, those on public assistance should be DQed from voting.
If you don't agree, Why?
Please take into account the point of a system in which people not paying taxes and getting free money, simply vote to keep the system in place and growing. Leaving a party an easy platform of wanting the growth of "entitlements"...

...
In other words... you believe that only those who pay taxes should get a say, right?
What about the founding documents of this nation? Are 'All Men are NOT Created Equal'... or were created equal... but it all depends upon on what their taxes are today?
Public assistance... like Social Security and Medicare? Those entitlement programs count, don't they? If that is the case, say good-bye to about 52% of the Tea Party.

gimmesometruth27

Cosmo wrote:

If that is the case, say good-bye to about 52% of the Tea Party.

"yep, get your government hands off of my social security and medicaid, and keep your government hands off of my touchscreen voting machine...wait...what??? you say i can't vote now??!!! WTF JUST HAPPENED???!!!!"

RFTC

in other words, "America 2012 let's roll back to America 1796", no fkn thanks.

Godfather.

Blockhead wrote:

I think that those who don't pay an income tax should be disqualified from voting, or, alternatively, those on public assistance should be DQed from voting.
If you don't agree, Why?
Please take into account the point of a system in which people not paying taxes and getting free money, simply vote to keep the system in place and growing. Leaving a party an easy platform of wanting the growth of "entitlements"...

but the dems need those votes...all joking aside I think I agree with you.

Godfather.

Blockhead

keeponrockin wrote:

But, I'll use your argument.

Anyone who recieves any sort of funding from the government (farm subsidies, defense contractors, government employees, the military, etc...) should not have the right to vote. Why? They have the power to vote just to keep the gravy train flowing.

Thoughts?

Those what you just named All pay taxes/help economy/etc... They provide goods/services...

mikepegg44

Blockhead wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

But, I'll use your argument.

Anyone who recieves any sort of funding from the government (farm subsidies, defense contractors, government employees, the military, etc...) should not have the right to vote. Why? They have the power to vote just to keep the gravy train flowing.

Thoughts?

Those what you just named All pay taxes/help economy/etc... They provide goods/services...

Are you talking just about federal elections? Because poor people who spend any money at all in most states and local municipalities pay some sort of sales tax. Not all of course. But if someone is poor they pay a federal gas tax when they fill up the tank, smoke a cigarette, all sorts of ways. I think you are making a bold statement that hasn't been thought out. Those that literally pay nothing into the system ever at all aren't likely to vote anyway.

Blockhead

blackredyellow wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

Might be the dumbest thread I've seen on AMT, and that's saying something.

Every citizen in a democracy has the right to vote. Period. End of discussion.

+1


Hey... let's each pick and choose which parts of the Constitution we want to randomly throw out...

The term in the constitution was "gerneral welfare" which was applied to the individual states in which the Fed would help out the state if need be.
Also the term welfare has taken on a different meaning today.
Also, what is our debt again?

Blockhead

mikepegg44 wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

But, I'll use your argument.

Anyone who recieves any sort of funding from the government (farm subsidies, defense contractors, government employees, the military, etc...) should not have the right to vote. Why? They have the power to vote just to keep the gravy train flowing.

Thoughts?

Those what you just named All pay taxes/help economy/etc... They provide goods/services...

Are you talking just about federal elections? Because poor people who spend any money at all in most states and local municipalities pay some sort of sales tax. Not all of course. But if someone is poor they pay a federal gas tax when they fill up the tank, smoke a cigarette, all sorts of ways. I think you are making a bold statement that hasn't been thought out. Those that literally pay nothing into the system ever at all aren't likely to vote anyway.

Income...

Blockhead

ComeToTX wrote:

you get laid off from your job after 25 years and you don't get to vote because you are collecting unemployment to feed your family? makes perfect sense to me. :roll:

Unemployment is taken from your paycheck and put into a company fund... You have already paid for it.

Blockhead

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

great. another thread to denegrate people that are on welfare and tout the inherent superiority of those fortunate enough to have a decent job....

last i checked it was illegal to disenfranchise american citizens....

Yeah your right... wait... what opportunities are not made available to everyone?

Blockhead

polaris_x wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

great. another thread to denegrate people that are on welfare and tout the inherent superiority of those fortunate enough to have a decent job....

last i checked it was illegal to disenfranchise american citizens....

what is interesting is the people who either agree with this or do not find the topic inflammatory ...

How so?

JonnyPistachio

Blockhead wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

great. another thread to denegrate people that are on welfare and tout the inherent superiority of those fortunate enough to have a decent job....

last i checked it was illegal to disenfranchise american citizens....

Yeah your right... wait... what opportunities are not made available to everyone?

If you really think everyone has the exact same opportunities, then this thread might as well end right here.

mikepegg44

Blockhead wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

Those what you just named All pay taxes/help economy/etc... They provide goods/services...

Are you talking just about federal elections? Because poor people who spend any money at all in most states and local municipalities pay some sort of sales tax. Not all of course. But if someone is poor they pay a federal gas tax when they fill up the tank, smoke a cigarette, all sorts of ways. I think you are making a bold statement that hasn't been thought out. Those that literally pay nothing into the system ever at all aren't likely to vote anyway.

Income...

why not extend tax liabilty rather than take away the right to vote? there are people who work that get everything back

keeponrockin

Blockhead wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

But, I'll use your argument.

Anyone who recieves any sort of funding from the government (farm subsidies, defense contractors, government employees, the military, etc...) should not have the right to vote. Why? They have the power to vote just to keep the gravy train flowing.

Thoughts?

Those what you just named All pay taxes/help economy/etc... They provide goods/services...

So do those on assistance. They buy products (sales tax) gas (gas tax) etc. They buy more of this stuff than they would without. Just as corporations pump more into the economy if they get certain tax breaks.

But, that wasn't in your argument. Your argument was because those could just vote to keep the system in place. So, what is it Blockhead?

Blockhead

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

great. another thread to denegrate people that are on welfare and tout the inherent superiority of those fortunate enough to have a decent job....

last i checked it was illegal to disenfranchise american citizens....

Yeah your right... wait... what opportunities are not made available to everyone?

If you really think everyone has the exact same opportunities, then this thread might as well end right here.

Please site examples of where people have been denied opportunities?
What is not accessible/available to everyone?
Don't confuse opportunities with how hard some people will have to work compared to someone else...

keeponrockin

Blockhead wrote:

Please site examples of where people have been denied opportunities?
What is not accessible/available to everyone?
Don't confuse opportunities with how hard some people will have to work compared to someone else...

Off the top of my head, those living in poorer areas don't get as good of an education if their school district does not perform as well/gets less funding (vs Canada where every district gets the same funding based on number of students. Essentially this means I get the same education in the suburbs that the kids got on the ghetto).