if Science creates life...

satansbed · July 2011

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/28/scien ... r=1&ref=us

I just read this article and it got me thinking, if science creates life, will this destroy alot of religous arguments against evolution, i have heard people say to me that you can't create life from something thats not alive, but if it happens, doesn't that mean life could spontaneously create itself under the right conditions here on earth, without the need for a creator.

if this happens, for me its just one more nail in the coffin of the possibility god exists.

your thoughts?

arq · July 2011

Nothing will destroy religious arguments, people with a religious mind set are capable of enormous leaps of logic.

Cool article nonetheless :thumbup:

catefrances · July 2011

no microbe is going to leap out of the petri dish and turn the graduate stiudents into zombies

but boy wouldnt it be cool if one did.

spontaneous is an interesting word. much like with our planet and the rest of our universe, where the conditions had to be 'perfect' for it all to come into being, conditions in a petri dish would have to be so too. what are those 'perfect' conditions... and how do we go about constructing them so any form of life has a chance of coming into existence??? and of course... what is life? ive seen stuff grow on the lid of my sons fish tank seemingly from nothing. :think:

Parachute · July 2011

satansbed wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/28/science/28life.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=us

I just read this article and it got me thinking, if science creates life, will this destroy alot of religous arguments against evolution, i have heard people say to me that you can't create life from something thats not alive, but if it happens, doesn't that mean life could spontaneously create itself under the right conditions here on earth, without the need for a creator.

if this happens, for me its just one more nail in the coffin of the possibility god exists.

your thoughts?

If the Creator already created the world in which scientists are trying to create life in- then it seems the Creator has beat them to the punch.

pandora · July 2011

I have always thought we are evolving to be non sexual beings
in the image of our maker ... a combination of man and woman.

Gay people further along in the evolution process.

Religion doesn't figure into my thoughts,
perhaps they are unconventional thoughts.

JonnyPistachio · July 2011

pandora wrote:

I have always thought we are evolving to be non sexual beings
in the image of our maker ... a combination of man and woman.

Gay people further along in the evolution process.

Religion doesn't figure into my thoughts,
perhaps they are unconventional thoughts.

Woah, that's go me thinking!
Seahorse and peacock have a long way to go!

Interesting thought Pandora..

Parachute wrote:

If the Creator already created the world in which scientists are trying to create life in- then it seems the Creator has beat them to the punch.

Who created the creator? or has he/she been around forever? I can't conceive forever...this thread is making my brain work to hard on a friday morning after a long night last night..

know1 · July 2011

Personally, I think you have to have as much, if not more faith to believe in science as you do to believe in religion.

At one point, SCIENCE thought the world was flat.

pandora · July 2011

JonnyPistachio wrote:

pandora wrote:

I have always thought we are evolving to be non sexual beings
in the image of our maker ... a combination of man and woman.

Gay people further along in the evolution process.

Religion doesn't figure into my thoughts,
perhaps they are unconventional thoughts.

Woah, that's go me thinking!
Seahorse and peacock have a long way to go!
Interesting thought Pandora..

oops!

Seahorse and peacock my two favorites and most amazing creatures....
I hope they never change, they could not be improved

you should listen when I'm high...
blow ya away

markin ball · July 2011

know1 wrote:

Personally, I think you have to have as much, if not more faith to believe in science as you do to believe in religion.

At one point, SCIENCE thought the world was flat.

Religion ain't exactly 100% on the facts, either.

brianlux · July 2011

satansbed wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/28/science/28life.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=us

I just read this article and it got me thinking, if science creates life, will this destroy alot of religous arguments against evolution, i have heard people say to me that you can't create life from something thats not alive, but if it happens, doesn't that mean life could spontaneously create itself under the right conditions here on earth, without the need for a creator.

if this happens, for me its just one more nail in the coffin of the possibility god exists.

your thoughts?

satansbed, it amazes me that we even need to think about destroying arguments against evolution. I am always confounded by the fact that there a many people who don't understand the simple fact that evolution is real. What are they afraid of?

pandora · July 2011

yes I agree not sure why it is has to be religion against evolution

God created evolution or was created from it,

it is not God against evolution.

It is because religion is less about God and more about controlling people,

man controlling man through God.... through man made religion.

God doesn't want to control us .... He just wants to Love us.

mysticweed · July 2011

pandora wrote:

I have always thought we are evolving to be non sexual beings
in the image of our maker ... a combination of man and woman.

Gay people further along in the evolution process.

Religion doesn't figure into my thoughts,
perhaps they are unconventional thoughts.

i've always thought that men have nipples because microbial life began as asexual
i believe that people born without wisdom teeth are evidentual of higher evolution and given enough time we would eventually be born without an appendix or tonsils

and eventually we could very well come full circle and become asexual again

pandora · July 2011

chickweed wrote:

pandora wrote:

I have always thought we are evolving to be non sexual beings
in the image of our maker ... a combination of man and woman.

Gay people further along in the evolution process.

Religion doesn't figure into my thoughts,
perhaps they are unconventional thoughts.

i've always thought that men have nipples because microbial life began as asexual
i believe that people born without wisdom teeth are evidetual of higher evolution and given enough time we would eventually be born without an appendix or tonsils

and eventually we could very well come full circle and become asexual again

I find circles intriguing and a real clue in my stack of clues :thumbup:

VINNY GOOMBA · July 2011

chickweed wrote:

and eventually we could very well come full circle and become asexual again

I wish a few people I knew were asexual... so they could go fuck themselves!

BinauralJam · July 2011

pandora wrote:

I have always thought we are evolving to be non sexual beings
in the image of our maker ... a combination of man and woman.

Gay people further along in the evolution process.

Religion doesn't figure into my thoughts,
perhaps they are unconventional thoughts.

This is Intresting, not sure i agree, but it's a point of veiw i never considered before, gona bounce this once off my wife and freinds this weekend.

Parachute · July 2011

BinauralJam wrote:

pandora wrote:

I have always thought we are evolving to be non sexual beings
in the image of our maker ... a combination of man and woman.

Gay people further along in the evolution process.

Religion doesn't figure into my thoughts,
perhaps they are unconventional thoughts.

This is Intresting, not sure i agree, but it's a point of veiw i never considered before, gona bounce this once off my wife and freinds this weekend.

There's a problem w that though: Homosexuality in counter-reproductive; It flies in the face of the evolution theory. In nature and in human life, if homosexuality was a normal process of evolution , then eventually we would stop reproducing, and life would die out. Granted, a million years from now, but... I'm just sayin.

arq · July 2011

Parachute wrote:

Homosexuality in counter-reproductive; It flies in the face of the evolution theory. In nature and in human life, if homosexuality was a normal process of evolution , then eventually we would stop reproducing, and life would die out. Granted, a million years from now, but... I'm just sayin.

Wrong

Homosexuality may be "counterproductive" for evolution but Homosexuals are just a small portion of the total population just as people who needs glasses are a small portion too, the process of evolution allows a few things out of the norm without making the whole population collapse. Also homosexuality can be seen in other species too.

BinauralJam · July 2011

Parachute wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

pandora wrote:

I have always thought we are evolving to be non sexual beings
in the image of our maker ... a combination of man and woman.

Gay people further along in the evolution process.

Religion doesn't figure into my thoughts,
perhaps they are unconventional thoughts.

This is Intresting, not sure i agree, but it's a point of veiw i never considered before, gona bounce this once off my wife and freinds this weekend.

There's a problem w that though: Homosexuality in counter-reproductive; It flies in the face of the evolution theory. In nature and in human life, if homosexuality was a normal process of evolution , then eventually we would stop reproducing, and life would die out. Granted, a million years from now, but... I'm just sayin.

Your right, but then does that make homosexuality a mistake?, a genetic anamoly?, or perhaps a step towards something....else, new? i sure don't have any answers.

cajunkiwi · July 2011

know1 wrote:

Personally, I think you have to have as much, if not more faith to believe in science as you do to believe in religion.

At one point, SCIENCE thought the world was flat.

Not as recently as a lot of people believe though... people knew the world was curved as far back in history as Ancient Greece (so I've always gotten a kick out of the people who believe Columbus was taking a huge risk by sailing to India because he didn't know if he'd fall off the planet or not).

I at least admire science's ability to admit when it's wrong and move on. And for me, personally, I'm much more inclined to believe in something that can be measured empirically and reproduced in an experiment than something that's believed simply because someone said "You have to believe what's in this book if you want to be happy after you die."

arq · July 2011

cajunkiwi wrote:

I at least admire science's ability to admit when it's wrong and move on. And for me, personally, I'm much more inclined to believe in something that can be measured empirically and reproduced in an experiment than something that's believed simply because someone said "You have to believe what's in this book if you want to be happy after you die."

Very well put

pandora · July 2011

Parachute wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

pandora wrote:

I have always thought we are evolving to be non sexual beings
in the image of our maker ... a combination of man and woman.

Gay people further along in the evolution process.

Religion doesn't figure into my thoughts,
perhaps they are unconventional thoughts.

This is Intresting, not sure i agree, but it's a point of veiw i never considered before, gona bounce this once off my wife and freinds this weekend.

There's a problem w that though: Homosexuality in counter-reproductive; It flies in the face of the evolution theory. In nature and in human life, if homosexuality was a normal process of evolution , then eventually we would stop reproducing, and life would die out. Granted, a million years from now, but... I'm just sayin.

By the time we are nonsexual beings we will be reproducing flawlessly in the laboratory.

But it is the natural evolution to selflessness. No longer in need of self gratification we live to love others purely for love... unconditional love.

And life always finds a way as does love.

if Science creates life...

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