I have always thought we are evolving to be non sexual beings
in the image of our maker ... a combination of man and woman.
Gay people further along in the evolution process.
Religion doesn't figure into my thoughts,
perhaps they are unconventional thoughts.
This is Intresting, not sure i agree, but it's a point of veiw i never considered before, gona bounce this once off my wife and freinds this weekend.
There's a problem w that though: Homosexuality in counter-reproductive; It flies in the face of the evolution theory. In nature and in human life, if homosexuality was a normal process of evolution , then eventually we would stop reproducing, and life would die out. Granted, a million years from now, but... I'm just sayin.
Of course, homosexuality is not about not-reproducing. But if it were, wouldn't that be an excellent way for nature/evolution to control our species massive overpopulation? Homosexuality being counter-reproductive sounds like a good solution to that problem. But this is all academic-- homosexuality is not about reproduction one way or the other. It is a natural inclination for some mebers of our species and others as well. It's too bad some people have a problem with that.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I have always thought we are evolving to be non sexual beings
in the image of our maker ... a combination of man and woman.
Gay people further along in the evolution process.
Religion doesn't figure into my thoughts,
perhaps they are unconventional thoughts.
how do you know 'our maker' is asexual??? is this just a personal perception?
being asexual isnt being a combination of male and female.. its having an absence of either(though i guess one could argue that being a combination of both male and female IS having an absence of either.... as you can imagine i am not one of those)... and not having sexual feelings... also reproducing without what we see as conventional sexual intercourse.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I have always thought we are evolving to be non sexual beings
in the image of our maker ... a combination of man and woman.
Gay people further along in the evolution process.
Religion doesn't figure into my thoughts,
perhaps they are unconventional thoughts.
how do you know 'our maker' is asexual??? is this just a personal perception?
being asexual isnt being a combination of male and female.. its having an absence of either(though i guess one could argue that being a combination of both male and female IS having an absence of either.... as you can imagine i am not one of those)... and not having sexual feelings... also reproducing without what we see as conventional sexual intercourse.
I have always thought we are evolving to be non sexual beings
in the image of our maker ... a combination of man and woman.
Gay people further along in the evolution process.
Religion doesn't figure into my thoughts,
perhaps they are unconventional thoughts.
how do you know 'our maker' is asexual??? is this just a personal perception?
being asexual isnt being a combination of male and female.. its having an absence of either(though i guess one could argue that being a combination of both male and female IS having an absence of either.... as you can imagine i am not one of those)... and not having sexual feelings... also reproducing without what we see as conventional sexual intercourse.
IN THE IMAGE OF OUR MAKER... thats what you said... Oh wait i forgot for you GOD is love so...
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
how do you know 'our maker' is asexual??? is this just a personal perception?
being asexual isnt being a combination of male and female.. its having an absence of either(though i guess one could argue that being a combination of both male and female IS having an absence of either.... as you can imagine i am not one of those)... and not having sexual feelings... also reproducing without what we see as conventional sexual intercourse.
IN THE IMAGE OF OUR MAKER... thats what you said... Oh wait i forgot for you GOD is love so...
is that so bad Miss Cate :?
God gave us the potential to be the very best He can offer which considering what He has created, Mother Nature being one example, that is saying a lot. We can be grand!
and yes consciously working towards unconditional love... can be our path if we so choose it.
God gave us the potential to be the very best He can offer which considering what He has created, Mother Nature being one example, that is saying a lot. We can be grand!
and yes consciously working towards unconditional love... can be our path if we so choose it.
Talking of Mother Nature, have you watched any wildlife programs lately? Mother nature doesn't exhibit unconditional love. Most of nature is a vicious fight for survival. There's also been no examples of this unconditional love of yours at any point in history, whether in nature, and/or amongst humans.
God gave us the potential to be the very best He can offer which considering what He has created, Mother Nature being one example, that is saying a lot. We can be grand!
and yes consciously working towards unconditional love... can be our path if we so choose it.
Talking of Mother Nature, have you watched any wildlife programs lately? Mother nature doesn't exhibit unconditional love. Most of nature is a vicious fight for survival. There's also been no examples of this unconditional love of yours at any point in history, whether in nature, and/or amongst humans.
Seahorse and peacock my two favorites and most amazing creatures....
I hope they never change, they could not be improved
The peacock is the most annoying creature EVER. I would bet you don't live next door to a few, do you Pandora? I do, and they are not peaceful, quiet, or lovely birds, whatsoever.
Seahorse and peacock my two favorites and most amazing creatures....
I hope they never change, they could not be improved
The peacock is the most annoying creature EVER. I would bet you don't live next door to a few, do you Pandora? I do, and they are not peaceful, quiet, or lovely birds, whatsoever.
0nce we rented a cabin, we went out in the evening to the back deck to enjoy a bit of partying,
the evening air, nature.
This terrible screeching began :wtf: what is that!?
Next day we drove around and found we were next to a Peacock farm ...
goodness who would have thought something so amazingly beautiful
could sound so horrible.
God has a sense of humor for sure
and they are still a favorite but I have tons of those
and yes consciously working towards unconditional love... can be our path if we so choose it.
That would be a return of the Age of Aquarius I would imagine, free love, and lots of sex between lots of people... NOT the coming of asexuality.
huh? :?
unconditional love has nothing to do with sex ... quite the opposite
picture loving for no personal gratification and to love another as they are
that might be a good definition although wiki can do better maybe
If you don't call what happened in the late '60s unconditional love, then what would you call it?! That was a huge example of love in general, and it all happened amidst a controversial war.
Love is about touch. They are hugely connected. How could you possibly think that one can exist without the other?
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Seahorse and peacock my two favorites and most amazing creatures....
I hope they never change, they could not be improved
The peacock is the most annoying creature EVER. I would bet you don't live next door to a few, do you Pandora? I do, and they are not peaceful, quiet, or lovely birds, whatsoever.
I wouldn't try this at home, Jeanwah, but your comment reminded me of a piece author/playwrite/actor Sam Shepard wrote about peacocks in his book, Hawk Moon:
PEACOCK KILLER
My dog caught a peacock one night and ate it. The next day when I found out I kicked the shit out of him. I broke three of his ribs and cried. Then I found out how dumb peacocks are even though everyone thinks they're beautiful. Shitting on your roof and screaming when they fuck. So I bought a twenty-two and started killing every peacock I could lay my hands on. Me and my dog at night we'd go hunting. I had to use short bullets with a mushroom head so they wouldn't make too much noise. Just like the sound of a small car backfire. Just one shot apiece and if that didn't kill 'em I'd let my dog finish them off. We'd come home bloody and laughing with murder every night. In the mornings the rich neighbors would wake up and find the corpses chewed and blasted up against white picket fences. They hired a private detective to investigate the deaths. Soon it hit the local paper: MAD PEACOCK KILLER ON THE LOOSE. So I changed my tactics. I switched to bow and arrow. I marked each arrow with a special notch and attached a note which read: REVENGE FOR BROKEN RIBS.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Seahorse and peacock my two favorites and most amazing creatures....
I hope they never change, they could not be improved
The peacock is the most annoying creature EVER. I would bet you don't live next door to a few, do you Pandora? I do, and they are not peaceful, quiet, or lovely birds, whatsoever.
I wouldn't try this at home, Jeanwah, but your comment reminded me of a piece author/playwrite/actor Sam Shepard wrote about peacocks in his book, Hawk Moon:
PEACOCK KILLER
My dog caught a peacock one night and ate it. The next day when I found out I kicked the shit out of him. I broke three of his ribs and cried. Then I found out how dumb peacocks are even though everyone thinks they're beautiful. Shitting on your roof and screaming when they fuck. So I bought a twenty-two and started killing every peacock I could lay my hands on. Me and my dog at night we'd go hunting. I had to use short bullets with a mushroom head so they wouldn't make too much noise. Just like the sound of a small car backfire. Just one shot apiece and if that didn't kill 'em I'd let my dog finish them off. We'd come home bloody and laughing with murder every night. In the mornings the rich neighbors would wake up and find the corpses chewed and blasted up against white picket fences. They hired a private detective to investigate the deaths. Soon it hit the local paper: MAD PEACOCK KILLER ON THE LOOSE. So I changed my tactics. I switched to bow and arrow. I marked each arrow with a special notch and attached a note which read: REVENGE FOR BROKEN RIBS.
The peacock is the most annoying creature EVER. I would bet you don't live next door to a few, do you Pandora? I do, and they are not peaceful, quiet, or lovely birds, whatsoever.
I wouldn't try this at home, Jeanwah, but your comment reminded me of a piece author/playwrite/actor Sam Shepard wrote about peacocks in his book, Hawk Moon:
PEACOCK KILLER
My dog caught a peacock one night and ate it. The next day when I found out I kicked the shit out of him. I broke three of his ribs and cried. Then I found out how dumb peacocks are even though everyone thinks they're beautiful. Shitting on your roof and screaming when they fuck. So I bought a twenty-two and started killing every peacock I could lay my hands on. Me and my dog at night we'd go hunting. I had to use short bullets with a mushroom head so they wouldn't make too much noise. Just like the sound of a small car backfire. Just one shot apiece and if that didn't kill 'em I'd let my dog finish them off. We'd come home bloody and laughing with murder every night. In the mornings the rich neighbors would wake up and find the corpses chewed and blasted up against white picket fences. They hired a private detective to investigate the deaths. Soon it hit the local paper: MAD PEACOCK KILLER ON THE LOOSE. So I changed my tactics. I switched to bow and arrow. I marked each arrow with a special notch and attached a note which read: REVENGE FOR BROKEN RIBS.
OMG Brian! I burst out laughing after the first sentence. (what kind of dog eats large birds?!) The whole thing is funny though. My neighbor who owns these birds is very wealthy, and he gets his gun out and shoots at random times during the day AND night, telling us that he is shooting at the predators who are after his beloved birds. I swear that he's within 500 feet of our property which ticks us off, but after reading this excerpt, I'm tempted to find a bow and arrow....
unconditional love has nothing to do with sex ... quite the opposite
picture loving for no personal gratification and to love another as they are
that might be a good definition although wiki can do better maybe
If you don't call what happened in the late '60s unconditional love, then what would you call it?! That was a huge example of love in general, and it all happened amidst a controversial war.
Love is about touch. They are hugely connected. How could you possibly think that one can exist without the other?
that is physical love and I call the 60's a sexual revolution.
love exists all the time without touch, touch is affection and sex self gratification.
I believe that we will evolve past that if we could be given enough time, lots and lots of time.
IN THE IMAGE OF OUR MAKER... thats what you said... Oh wait i forgot for you GOD is love so...
is that so bad Miss Cate :?
God gave us the potential to be the very best He can offer which considering what He has created, Mother Nature being one example, that is saying a lot. We can be grand!
and yes consciously working towards unconditional love... can be our path if we so choose it.
see this is where you lose me pandora.. you say God is love .. then you speak of Him. you say He made us in His own image and now you say God gave us the potnnetial to be the very best He can offer.. but if He made us in His own image and he is all around us, which makes him omnipresent.. and for some people omnipotent, then we are already in His image and that from everything ive seen isnt 'our very best' because what He has done according to the word of the bible is smite and judge and nitpick with the devil... so is that HIs very best? oh i forgot.. youve had no time for the bible.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
IN THE IMAGE OF OUR MAKER... thats what you said... Oh wait i forgot for you GOD is love so...
is that so bad Miss Cate :?
God gave us the potential to be the very best He can offer which considering what He has created, Mother Nature being one example, that is saying a lot. We can be grand!
and yes consciously working towards unconditional love... can be our path if we so choose it.
see this is where you lose me pandora.. you say God is love .. then you speak of Him. you say He made us in His own image and now you say God gave us the potnnetial to be the very best He can offer.. but if He made us in His own image and he is all around us, which makes him omnipresent.. and for some people omnipotent, then we are already in His image and that from everything ive seen isnt 'our very best' because what He has done according to the word of the bible is smite and judge and nitpick with the devil... so is that HIs very best? oh i forgot.. youve had no time for the bible.
we don't see the same things Cate
no, I don't read the Bible
the Bible was written by man to control man is my belief, why would I want to read it?
see this is where you lose me pandora.. you say God is love .. then you speak of Him. you say He made us in His own image and now you say God gave us the potnnetial to be the very best He can offer.. but if He made us in His own image and he is all around us, which makes him omnipresent.. and for some people omnipotent, then we are already in His image and that from everything ive seen isnt 'our very best' because what He has done according to the word of the bible is smite and judge and nitpick with the devil... so is that HIs very best? oh i forgot.. youve had no time for the bible.
we don't see the same things Cate
no, I don't read the Bible
the Bible was written by man to control man is my belief, why would I want to read it?
I believe in God, a loving compassionate God
uh oh I am repeating myself ...
one can get into trouble around here for that
so you believe that God is more than just love. youve personified Him... so does that mean that God isnt just this feeling called love.. that He is something more?
for me, my atheism is absolute.. and i know some people have a problem with absolutes. but when it comes to this particular topic, i do not. and i have no problem with that. but when i see people say God is love and then they call him Him, thus making him in OUR image, i have to wonder what it is they believe. im not judging,.. im trying to understand.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
If you don't call what happened in the late '60s unconditional love, then what would you call it?! That was a huge example of love in general, and it all happened amidst a controversial war.
Love is about touch. They are hugely connected. How could you possibly think that one can exist without the other?
that is physical love and I call the 60's a sexual revolution.
love exists all the time without touch, touch is affection and sex self gratification.
I believe that we will evolve past that if we could be given enough time, lots and lots of time.
It has been proven that a baby without touch will suffer and ultimately get very sick. Touch is a very necessary part of love. I respect what you're saying but I completely disagree. The human (and animal) need for touch will always be necessary for life and love. The bolded is simply. not. true. as the only reasons. Life cannot be full without the sense of touch.
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Sorry Pandora, it really is meant to be funny and I'm sure Shepard at least partially meant it that way. The beauty of writing- whether it be songs, stories, books, or poetry is that you can say the things you are thinking without actually doing them. We've all said something like, "I could have just strangled him for doing that!" and yet I do not personally know any who's ever strangled anyone. No offense intended although I must say I'm not fond of that flashy imported fowl.
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OMG Brian! I burst out laughing after the first sentence. (what kind of dog eats large birds?!) The whole thing is funny though. My neighbor who owns these birds is very wealthy, and he gets his gun out and shoots at random times during the day AND night, telling us that he is shooting at the predators who are after his beloved birds. I swear that he's within 500 feet of our property which ticks us off, but after reading this excerpt, I'm tempted to find a bow and arrow....
I surely hadn't meant any offense in posting that story but it really is funny as hell and I know what you mean about how obnoxious that particular exotic bird is- not to meantion obnoxious neighbors who like to shoot their guns at home. I usually hide in the back room when that goes on!
P.S. Happy hunting!
OK- back to the gods and science...
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
so you believe that God is more than just love. youve personified Him... so does that mean that God isnt just this feeling called love.. that He is something more?
for me, my atheism is absolute.. and i know some people have a problem with absolutes. but when it comes to this particular topic, i do not. and i have no problem with that. but when i see people say God is love and then they call him Him, thus making him in OUR image, i have to wonder what it is they believe. im not judging,.. im trying to understand.
I appreciate that very much.
When I spoke of what I thought we could evolve to
it comes from my perception of God.
Unconditional love personified.
I feel that is how we are in the image...
the potential we were given.
I wrote this today, it is part of my writing on my brush with nature yesterday,
it's in the creative thread. Sums up how I am feeling ...
'Was this also a part of the simple plan?
That this world should strike back
and bring ugliness, chaos, pain and sadness.
Or is this world now a disconnect
from the simple plan?
And will we all be tattered...
or are we already tattered?
just a bit of what we were meant to be,
what we could be?'
God speaks to me and shows me He is there.
It is hard to understand if you don't experience it and that is no insult to others.
I feel that is true with ever aspect in life..
we can try to stand in someone else's shoes but until we live it, we won't fully understand it.
I get the feeling from the atheists here that I am fortunate not to have been
given any religion. I was an atheist... I am not now
but not because someone told me something, it is from my life experience.
And I am experiencing daily and learning on the way
so don't be surprised if I learn something new and different... we all are.
Sorry Pandora, it really is meant to be funny and I'm sure Shepard at least partially meant it that way. The beauty of writing- whether it be songs, stories, books, or poetry is that you can say the things you are thinking without actually doing them. We've all said something like, "I could have just strangled him for doing that!" and yet I do not personally know any who's ever strangled anyone. No offense intended although I must say I'm not fond of that flashy imported fowl.
I am a true animal lover... like them better than people in most cases.
I found no humor in kicking the dog and breaking his ribs nor shooting gorgeous birds
no matter how annoying.
Not my kind of humor, I am too serious about that I guess, my love for the animals.
Glad Jean enjoyed it though and if I had to listen to them I would probably move.
I was glad we didn't buy that cabin we were trying out next to the Peacock farm....
so they are screamers when making love :shock:
I guess they were getting a little pea-cock... now that's kind of funny.
so you believe that God is more than just love. youve personified Him... so does that mean that God isnt just this feeling called love.. that He is something more?
for me, my atheism is absolute.. and i know some people have a problem with absolutes. but when it comes to this particular topic, i do not. and i have no problem with that. but when i see people say God is love and then they call him Him, thus making him in OUR image, i have to wonder what it is they believe. im not judging,.. im trying to understand.
I appreciate that very much.
When I spoke of what I thought we could evolve to
it comes from my perception of God.
Unconditional love personified.
I feel that is how we are in the image...
the potential we were given.
I wrote this today, it is part of my writing on my brush with nature yesterday,
it's in the creative thread. Sums up how I am feeling ...
'Was this also a part of the simple plan?
That this world should strike back
and bring ugliness, chaos, pain and sadness.
Or is this world now a disconnect
from the simple plan?
And will we all be tattered...
or are we already tattered?
just a bit of what we were meant to be,
what we could be?'
God speaks to me and shows me He is there.
It is hard to understand if you don't experience it and that is no insult to others.
I feel that is true with ever aspect in life..
we can try to stand in someone else's shoes but until we live it, we won't fully understand it.
I get the feeling from the atheists here that I am fortunate not to have been
given any religion. I was an atheist... I am not now
but not because someone told me something, it is from my life experience.
And I am experiencing daily and learning on the way
so don't be surprised if I learn something new and different... we all are.
to me when you say God speaks to you and shows you that He is there, that says to me that He is more than just love. I feel love but in no way feel its from a god/s or God. i feel it from those around me. when you feel this, as im sure you do from those around you, does that mean that the love that you feel is from God but transferred to you via those around you.. or is that a different love?
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
so you believe that God is more than just love. youve personified Him... so does that mean that God isnt just this feeling called love.. that He is something more?
for me, my atheism is absolute.. and i know some people have a problem with absolutes. but when it comes to this particular topic, i do not. and i have no problem with that. but when i see people say God is love and then they call him Him, thus making him in OUR image, i have to wonder what it is they believe. im not judging,.. im trying to understand.
I appreciate that very much.
When I spoke of what I thought we could evolve to
it comes from my perception of God.
Unconditional love personified.
I feel that is how we are in the image...
the potential we were given.
I wrote this today, it is part of my writing on my brush with nature yesterday,
it's in the creative thread. Sums up how I am feeling ...
'Was this also a part of the simple plan?
That this world should strike back
and bring ugliness, chaos, pain and sadness.
Or is this world now a disconnect
from the simple plan?
And will we all be tattered...
or are we already tattered?
just a bit of what we were meant to be,
what we could be?'
God speaks to me and shows me He is there.
It is hard to understand if you don't experience it and that is no insult to others.
I feel that is true with ever aspect in life..
we can try to stand in someone else's shoes but until we live it, we won't fully understand it.
I get the feeling from the atheists here that I am fortunate not to have been
given any religion. I was an atheist... I am not now
but not because someone told me something, it is from my life experience.
And I am experiencing daily and learning on the way
so don't be surprised if I learn something new and different... we all are.
to me when you say God speaks to you and shows you that He is there, that says to me that He is more than just love. I feel love but in no way feel its from a god/s or God. i feel it from those around me. when you feel this, as im sure you do from those around you, does that mean that the love that you feel is from God but transferred to you via those around you.. or is that a different love?
speaking of love... sorry JB just walked in
may I please respond then tomorrow... ok
and I will to Jean also on the touch...gonna go get some touching now, and yes I need that!
Personally, I think you have to have as much, if not more faith to believe in science as you do to believe in religion.
At one point, SCIENCE thought the world was flat.
...
I hope you understand that when 'science' said the Earth was flat... science was being run by the Church. The flat Earth was used to so the Bible could explain the natural order. The same way 'science' placed the Earth at the center of the Universe until Copernicus, Galileo and Kepler went against the Church's view that Man is at the center of God's attention, therefore, the Earth **must** be at the center of the Universe.
Religion is great for comfort and faith... Religion sucks ass as an authority.
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Hail, Hail!!!
When I spoke of what I thought we could evolve to
it comes from my perception of God.
Unconditional love personified.
I feel that is how we are in the image...
the potential we were given.
I wrote this today, it is part of my writing on my brush with nature yesterday,
it's in the creative thread. Sums up how I am feeling ...
'Was this also a part of the simple plan?
That this world should strike back
and bring ugliness, chaos, pain and sadness.
Or is this world now a disconnect
from the simple plan?
And will we all be tattered...
or are we already tattered?
just a bit of what we were meant to be,
what we could be?'
God speaks to me and shows me He is there.
It is hard to understand if you don't experience it and that is no insult to others.
I feel that is true with ever aspect in life..
we can try to stand in someone else's shoes but until we live it, we won't fully understand it.
I get the feeling from the atheists here that I am fortunate not to have been
given any religion. I was an atheist... I am not now
but not because someone told me something, it is from my life experience.
And I am experiencing daily and learning on the way
so don't be surprised if I learn something new and different... we all are.
to me when you say God speaks to you and shows you that He is there, that says to me that He is more than just love. I feel love but in no way feel its from a god/s or God. i feel it from those around me. when you feel this, as im sure you do from those around you, does that mean that the love that you feel is from God but transferred to you via those around you.. or is that a different love?
Good day, Cate....
I imagine it to be the way people of religion feel.
They have found faith, trust, love, understanding in their faith,
they feel secure and complete.
I have found this in God, but not religion.
When I was an atheist it was entirely different how I felt. I felt incomplete compared to now.
Now I feel surrounded by love
and even if I didn't have earthly love, I would have God's Love.
It is a circle also,
having God's Love brings me more earthly Love than I experienced before.
God is much more than Love... I did post earlier what I felt God was.
And His guidance is apparent in my life.
I feel if someone is feeling as I did and religion never 'spoke' to them they should know
God is very much there for them. He is a kind and loving God and can protect you
and guide and bring trust and faith to your path here and beyond.
We are continuing beings.
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Of course, homosexuality is not about not-reproducing. But if it were, wouldn't that be an excellent way for nature/evolution to control our species massive overpopulation? Homosexuality being counter-reproductive sounds like a good solution to that problem. But this is all academic-- homosexuality is not about reproduction one way or the other. It is a natural inclination for some mebers of our species and others as well. It's too bad some people have a problem with that.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
how do you know 'our maker' is asexual??? is this just a personal perception?
being asexual isnt being a combination of male and female.. its having an absence of either(though i guess one could argue that being a combination of both male and female IS having an absence of either.... as you can imagine i am not one of those)... and not having sexual feelings... also reproducing without what we see as conventional sexual intercourse.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Good luck with that.
So now it's a fact?
That didn't take long.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
God gave us the potential to be the very best He can offer which considering what He has created, Mother Nature being one example, that is saying a lot. We can be grand!
and yes consciously working towards unconditional love... can be our path if we so choose it.
Talking of Mother Nature, have you watched any wildlife programs lately? Mother nature doesn't exhibit unconditional love. Most of nature is a vicious fight for survival. There's also been no examples of this unconditional love of yours at any point in history, whether in nature, and/or amongst humans.
So what is this grand idea of yours based on?
The peacock is the most annoying creature EVER. I would bet you don't live next door to a few, do you Pandora? I do, and they are not peaceful, quiet, or lovely birds, whatsoever.
That would be a return of the Age of Aquarius I would imagine, free love, and lots of sex between lots of people... NOT the coming of asexuality.
the evening air, nature.
This terrible screeching began :wtf: what is that!?
Next day we drove around and found we were next to a Peacock farm ...
goodness who would have thought something so amazingly beautiful
could sound so horrible.
God has a sense of humor for sure
and they are still a favorite but I have tons of those
unconditional love has nothing to do with sex ... quite the opposite
picture loving for no personal gratification and to love another as they are
that might be a good definition although wiki can do better maybe
If you don't call what happened in the late '60s unconditional love, then what would you call it?! That was a huge example of love in general, and it all happened amidst a controversial war.
Love is about touch. They are hugely connected. How could you possibly think that one can exist without the other?
I wouldn't try this at home, Jeanwah, but your comment reminded me of a piece author/playwrite/actor Sam Shepard wrote about peacocks in his book, Hawk Moon:
PEACOCK KILLER
My dog caught a peacock one night and ate it. The next day when I found out I kicked the shit out of him. I broke three of his ribs and cried. Then I found out how dumb peacocks are even though everyone thinks they're beautiful. Shitting on your roof and screaming when they fuck. So I bought a twenty-two and started killing every peacock I could lay my hands on. Me and my dog at night we'd go hunting. I had to use short bullets with a mushroom head so they wouldn't make too much noise. Just like the sound of a small car backfire. Just one shot apiece and if that didn't kill 'em I'd let my dog finish them off. We'd come home bloody and laughing with murder every night. In the mornings the rich neighbors would wake up and find the corpses chewed and blasted up against white picket fences. They hired a private detective to investigate the deaths. Soon it hit the local paper: MAD PEACOCK KILLER ON THE LOOSE. So I changed my tactics. I switched to bow and arrow. I marked each arrow with a special notch and attached a note which read: REVENGE FOR BROKEN RIBS.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
OMG Brian!
love exists all the time without touch, touch is affection and sex self gratification.
I believe that we will evolve past that if we could be given enough time, lots and lots of time.
see this is where you lose me pandora.. you say God is love .. then you speak of Him. you say He made us in His own image and now you say God gave us the potnnetial to be the very best He can offer.. but if He made us in His own image and he is all around us, which makes him omnipresent.. and for some people omnipotent, then we are already in His image and that from everything ive seen isnt 'our very best' because what He has done according to the word of the bible is smite and judge and nitpick with the devil... so is that HIs very best? oh i forgot.. youve had no time for the bible.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
no, I don't read the Bible
the Bible was written by man to control man is my belief, why would I want to read it?
I believe in God, a loving compassionate God
uh oh I am repeating myself ...
one can get into trouble around here for that
so you believe that God is more than just love. youve personified Him... so does that mean that God isnt just this feeling called love.. that He is something more?
for me, my atheism is absolute.. and i know some people have a problem with absolutes. but when it comes to this particular topic, i do not. and i have no problem with that. but when i see people say God is love and then they call him Him, thus making him in OUR image, i have to wonder what it is they believe. im not judging,.. im trying to understand.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
It has been proven that a baby without touch will suffer and ultimately get very sick. Touch is a very necessary part of love. I respect what you're saying but I completely disagree. The human (and animal) need for touch will always be necessary for life and love. The bolded is simply. not. true. as the only reasons. Life cannot be full without the sense of touch.
Sorry Pandora, it really is meant to be funny and I'm sure Shepard at least partially meant it that way. The beauty of writing- whether it be songs, stories, books, or poetry is that you can say the things you are thinking without actually doing them. We've all said something like, "I could have just strangled him for doing that!" and yet I do not personally know any who's ever strangled anyone. No offense intended although I must say I'm not fond of that flashy imported fowl.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I surely hadn't meant any offense in posting that story but it really is funny as hell and I know what you mean about how obnoxious that particular exotic bird is- not to meantion obnoxious neighbors who like to shoot their guns at home. I usually hide in the back room when that goes on!
P.S. Happy hunting!
OK- back to the gods and science...
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I appreciate that very much.
When I spoke of what I thought we could evolve to
it comes from my perception of God.
Unconditional love personified.
I feel that is how we are in the image...
the potential we were given.
I wrote this today, it is part of my writing on my brush with nature yesterday,
it's in the creative thread. Sums up how I am feeling ...
'Was this also a part of the simple plan?
That this world should strike back
and bring ugliness, chaos, pain and sadness.
Or is this world now a disconnect
from the simple plan?
And will we all be tattered...
or are we already tattered?
just a bit of what we were meant to be,
what we could be?'
God speaks to me and shows me He is there.
It is hard to understand if you don't experience it and that is no insult to others.
I feel that is true with ever aspect in life..
we can try to stand in someone else's shoes but until we live it, we won't fully understand it.
I get the feeling from the atheists here that I am fortunate not to have been
given any religion. I was an atheist... I am not now
but not because someone told me something, it is from my life experience.
And I am experiencing daily and learning on the way
so don't be surprised if I learn something new and different... we all are.
I found no humor in kicking the dog and breaking his ribs nor shooting gorgeous birds
no matter how annoying.
Not my kind of humor, I am too serious about that I guess, my love for the animals.
Glad Jean enjoyed it though and if I had to listen to them I would probably move.
I was glad we didn't buy that cabin we were trying out next to the Peacock farm....
so they are screamers when making love :shock:
I guess they were getting a little pea-cock... now that's kind of funny.
to me when you say God speaks to you and shows you that He is there, that says to me that He is more than just love. I feel love but in no way feel its from a god/s or God. i feel it from those around me. when you feel this, as im sure you do from those around you, does that mean that the love that you feel is from God but transferred to you via those around you.. or is that a different love?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
may I please respond then tomorrow... ok
and I will to Jean also on the touch...gonna go get some touching now, and yes I need that!
and pasta salad... he already dove in to that!
I hope you understand that when 'science' said the Earth was flat... science was being run by the Church. The flat Earth was used to so the Bible could explain the natural order. The same way 'science' placed the Earth at the center of the Universe until Copernicus, Galileo and Kepler went against the Church's view that Man is at the center of God's attention, therefore, the Earth **must** be at the center of the Universe.
Religion is great for comfort and faith... Religion sucks ass as an authority.
Hail, Hail!!!
Good day, Cate....
I imagine it to be the way people of religion feel.
They have found faith, trust, love, understanding in their faith,
they feel secure and complete.
I have found this in God, but not religion.
When I was an atheist it was entirely different how I felt.
I felt incomplete compared to now.
Now I feel surrounded by love
and even if I didn't have earthly love, I would have God's Love.
It is a circle also,
having God's Love brings me more earthly Love than I experienced before.
God is much more than Love... I did post earlier what I felt God was.
And His guidance is apparent in my life.
I feel if someone is feeling as I did and religion never 'spoke' to them they should know
God is very much there for them. He is a kind and loving God and can protect you
and guide and bring trust and faith to your path here and beyond.
We are continuing beings.