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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,530
    I think they should go after Upton harder. I feel like that has a better chance of being done than Pence.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    I almost had a heart attack. A triple would've been fine.

    utley is so fucking good

    samuel loves waving utley home on close plays. I think he wants him to finish destroying his knees

    I don't believe that. You know and I know there was no stopping Chase rounding third. Fucking amazing though.

    As for Worley - it's scary how much he's performing like Happ when he was at a sell-high. They HAVE to include him in a trade. And, yeah, I think Beltran is out, and it's gotta be Pence. I don't see them making a move to only swing horizontally. And they can do fine with what they have in the 'pen. I wasn't really on this Pence train, but it's the only player that would make sense. Worley, Singleton, Cosart or Colvin. That would get it done. Worley will never be more than a #4 in this rotation, Singleton will never see 1st base here, and teams will definitely want to pick up an upside arm as well. Only thing is I don't see how Houston would want to make this deal right now when 2 out of the 3 players wouldn't see The Show for at least 2-3 years.

    this worley situation...trade him or not trade him, kind of reminds me of the kevin kolb situation. sort of similiar. both aren't gonna help this year. might as well get what you can for them now.

    worley, singleton, and cosart---BOOM. DONE. make it happen god damn it!
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    The Juggler wrote:
    worley, singleton, and cosart---BOOM. DONE. make it happen god damn it!

    Seems like a whole lot to give up for Pence. Those are the Phillies two best prospects right?

    Sounds like they had a deal in place and Houston balked, I don't know they don't take that. Pence is good but some people are clearly overvaluing him.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    worley, singleton, and cosart---BOOM. DONE. make it happen god damn it!

    Seems like a whole lot to give up for Pence. Those are the Phillies two best prospects right?

    Sounds like they had a deal in place and Houston balked, I don't know they don't take that. Pence is good but some people are clearly overvaluing him.

    yeah but singleton plays 1st so he's got no future here. top 3 or 4 pitchers in this rotation is set for the next few years. this oganization has drafted well the past decade or so. i trust they can replenish within the next few years.

    what was the deal that houston balked at?
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,530
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    worley, singleton, and cosart---BOOM. DONE. make it happen god damn it!

    Seems like a whole lot to give up for Pence. Those are the Phillies two best prospects right?

    Sounds like they had a deal in place and Houston balked, I don't know they don't take that. Pence is good but some people are clearly overvaluing him.

    Understood, but like I said, Singleton is not going to see the light of day at 1st base, and Cosart/Colvin are too young to worry about what they do in the future. All this for a guy who would be cost controlled, and no matter what, far less expensive than Werth(whom they were willing to still pay mind you, just not the years, when they signed Lee) to fill up a need. Then, this lends to either Pence or Brown moving to left when Ibanez is gone after this year. This is why this deal would make sense to me.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,530
    I will say this though - a wholllle shit ton of people are going to be disappointed when in reality they get someone no where the contributor that Pence or Beltran would be for this season.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    I will say this though - a wholllle shit ton of people are going to be disappointed when in reality they get someone no where the contributor that Pence or Beltran would be for this season.


    yo would you pull the trigger on pence if wade digs in and demands dom brown instead of worley? --in addition to singleton and either cosart or colvin? i think i would...at the absolute last minute. tough call though.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    I don't know what the exact deal was, I read cosart, singleton and something else.

    Cosart, singleton and brown, you're fucking nuts, that package can pull almost any player in baseball.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    I don't know what the exact deal was, I read cosart, singleton and something else.

    Cosart, singleton and brown, you're fucking nuts, that package can pull almost any player in baseball.


    i don't want to...tough call at the 11th hour though man.
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  • 81
    81 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    the Upton brothers blow. :lol:

    i've had them both at various time on my fantasty squads thru the years.
    81 is now off the air

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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    The Juggler wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    I don't know what the exact deal was, I read cosart, singleton and something else.

    Cosart, singleton and brown, you're fucking nuts, that package can pull almost any player in baseball.

    there are plenty of people in this thread who would do that...

    i don't want to...tough call at the 11th hour though man.

    I wouldn't, ever. No shot you trade someone who was the number 1 propspect in baseball and in the big leagues and your 2 other best prospects for Hunter Pence. That is the kind of package you put together for an ace (not that you need one) but not Hunter Pence.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,530
    edited July 2011
    81 wrote:
    the Upton brothers blow. :lol:

    i've had them both at various time on my fantasty squads thru the years.

    I don't know if you're kidding with that first statement or not. And this is real baseball, not fantasy. Don't ever let the two mix.

    And, Jeags - would I do Brown instead of Worley? Probably not.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    Here is the article I was referring to

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/ ... acked-off/

    Fucking meetings all afternoon then a train to DC when all this shit is just starting to go down. Fucking work. haha
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Here is the article I was referring to

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/ ... acked-off/

    Fucking meetings all afternoon then a train to DC when all this shit is just starting to go down. Fucking work. haha

    Stark couldn’t get confirmation of that from any Astros sources, but says “it’s believed the Phillies structured a deal around” their two best prospects, Single-A first baseman Jonathan Singleton and Single-A right-hander Jarred Cosart.

    ...i wonder what the other piece was... :think:
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    between birds rumors and phils rumors...i can't keep up :x
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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    worley, singleton, and cosart---BOOM. DONE. make it happen god damn it!

    Seems like a whole lot to give up for Pence. Those are the Phillies two best prospects right?

    Sounds like they had a deal in place and Houston balked, I don't know they don't take that. Pence is good but some people are clearly overvaluing him.

    I'd make that trade too. singleton is blocked by The Contract and cosart has had some arm issues. worley is a back end guy. Done and done.

    worley isn't kolb because worley's ceiling is pretty much what he's doing right now. The guy sits in the upper 80s. RHPs aren't successful long term at that speed unless they have a knuckleball to go with the rest of their stuff.

    SF getting beltran could be a good thing here...RAJ is gonna counter that move. come on pence
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    I don't know what the exact deal was, I read cosart, singleton and something else.

    Cosart, singleton and brown, you're fucking nuts, that package can pull almost any player in baseball.

    do it.

    I'm still not sold on brown. he's a disaster in the field
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    raj countering the beltran move...that's the first thing i said when told of this giants trade


    getting interesting...
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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    The Juggler wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Here is the article I was referring to

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/ ... acked-off/

    Fucking meetings all afternoon then a train to DC when all this shit is just starting to go down. Fucking work. haha

    Stark couldn’t get confirmation of that from any Astros sources, but says “it’s believed the Phillies structured a deal around” their two best prospects, Single-A first baseman Jonathan Singleton and Single-A right-hander Jarred Cosart.

    ...i wonder what the other piece was... :think:

    2nd tier pitching prospect is what I read. Probably rodriguez, pettibone, may...someone like that
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    The Juggler wrote:
    between birds rumors and phils rumors...i can't keep up :x

    I love this shit. Great sports week.

    Wish I didn't sell my phils tix for tonight. Would have been cool to see Gillick's speech.

    To echo cliff...fucking work
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