To reduce the debt, would you support a tax hike for rich?

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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,548
    edited July 2011
    Jason P wrote:
    inmytree wrote:
    Go Beavers wrote:
    Maybe the question should be: "would you support a tax hike for yourself?"

    yes...

    http://www.taxfoundation.org/publicatio ... 23003.html
    Good grief! That's a mortgage payment and a half!

    Those in support of going back to Clinton era taxes have to either be

    1) In school
    2) Supported by someone else / have dual incomes
    3) Really committed to social programs
    4) A hardcore Democrat w/ horse blinders on

    As a single guy who clips coupons and is constantly looking for ways to save and reduce costs, this would hurt big-time.

    Are people reading the chart incorrectly? Or is your mortgage $400?
    Post edited by Go Beavers on
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,296
    Go Beavers wrote:

    Are people reading the chart incorrectly? Or is your mortgage $200?
    Either I'm reading it wrong but I can't find a single option where it's only $200 increase. Even the lowest income on their table is a $400 increase.
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,548
    Jason P wrote:
    Go Beavers wrote:

    Are people reading the chart incorrectly? Or is your mortgage $200?
    Either I'm reading it wrong but I can't find a single option where it's only $200 increase. Even the lowest income on their table is a $400 increase.

    I'm seeing a $600 increase, so I just changed my post to $400 (my bad).
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,296
    Go Beavers wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    Go Beavers wrote:

    Are people reading the chart incorrectly? Or is your mortgage $200?
    Either I'm reading it wrong but I can't find a single option where it's only $200 increase. Even the lowest income on their table is a $400 increase.

    I'm seeing a $600 increase, so I just changed my post to $400 (my bad).
    Ok. Anyway, I think the difference correlates to a rent or mortgage payment for each salary range.

    $30K - $400
    $50K - $660
    $75K - $1400
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,548
    Jason P wrote:
    Go Beavers wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    Either I'm reading it wrong but I can't find a single option where it's only $200 increase. Even the lowest income on their table is a $400 increase.

    I'm seeing a $600 increase, so I just changed my post to $400 (my bad).
    Ok. Anyway, I think the difference correlates to a rent or mortgage payment for each salary range.

    $30K - $400
    $50K - $660
    $75K - $1400

    If you make 30 grand a year, $35/mo is going to hurt "big time"? Come on!
  • Electric_Delta
    Electric_Delta Posts: 977
    Go Beavers wrote:
    If you make 30 grand a year, $35/mo is going to hurt "big time"? Come on!

    I pay too much in taxes as it stands. When the hell does it stop? I work for that money. They steal enough as it stands.

    They don't deserve a free pass. Why can't they act responsible rather than saddling our backs with the problem?
    Bristow, VA (5/13/10)
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    Go Beavers wrote:
    Ok. Anyway, I think the difference correlates to a rent or mortgage payment for each salary range.

    $30K - $400
    $50K - $660
    $75K - $1400

    If you make 30 grand a year, $35/mo is going to hurt "big time"? Come on![/quote]

    400 a year is a lot of money for someone making 30,000. Sounds like a large number when your in college. But you don't actually get the 30,000 grand...there are a lot more taken out than simply federal income taxes.

    Especially since you would not only be telling that person that $400 extra a year is now coming out of their check, but about $200 of that money will be used make sure that we continue to be able to police the world militarily...wonder who would support those tax hikes if that is what they told people...

    people are so willing to spend someone else's money and call for tax increases yet, rarely, do they ever simply just let the government keep their tax return...wonder why that is...There are huge debt problems and we need to fundamentally change the way our federal government does business... i wonder when things fall apart, how will quickly will our country fall into chaos...
    but go ahead America, vote for Romney or President Obama...because so much matters this time around, and these are the guys who will change it :lol: please cradle my head when that happens because I will definitely be fainting from the shock...
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  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    What if that rich person got rich through hard work?
    Why should he pay more tax?
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,055
    Thoughts_Arrive wrote:
    What if that rich person got rich through hard work?
    Why should he pay more tax?
    as a general rule, and there are some exceptions, but it is impossible to get rich working for someone else.

    most of the rich built businesses, hit lottery or struck oil on their property. a lot of times it is just luck. i mean the guy who invented the pet rock became a millionaire...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

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  • shadowcast
    shadowcast Posts: 2,336
    Davidtrios wrote:
    Thats easy- YES!

    Here is a short poll from Bernie Sanders:
    http://sanders.senate.gov/polls/index.c ... d108a86140
    Yes I do but there needs to be even taxes through out the board as 51% of American do not pay income tax. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... eholds-pa/
  • shadowcast
    shadowcast Posts: 2,336
    Thoughts_Arrive wrote:
    What if that rich person got rich through hard work?
    Why should he pay more tax?
    They are not going to starve it's called helping out your fellow man. They are not going to miss the $$$ believe me. All I'm asking is bring back the tax for the rich to what they were before Bushie boy gave them a break.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    Go Beavers wrote:
    If you make 30 grand a year, $35/mo is going to hurt "big time"? Come on!

    I pay too much in taxes as it stands. When the hell does it stop? I work for that money. They steal enough as it stands.

    They don't deserve a free pass. Why can't they act responsible rather than saddling our backs with the problem?

    "steal"...?

    perhaps you should contact the police... :lol:

    seriously, if you don't like paying taxes, make a choice... :wave:
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Go Beavers wrote:

    If you make 30 grand a year, $35/mo is going to hurt "big time"? Come on!

    exactly...

    time to quite kicking the can and pay up...
  • Prince Of Dorkness
    Prince Of Dorkness Posts: 3,763
    Thoughts_Arrive wrote:
    What if that rich person got rich through hard work?
    Why should he pay more tax?

    So the people who work minimum wage don't work hard too?
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  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    Thoughts_Arrive wrote:
    What if that rich person got rich through hard work?
    Why should he pay more tax?

    So the people who work minimum wage don't work hard too?

    Obviously not.
    Did they go to university and study hard enough so that they don't end up in some dead end minimum wage job? Nah didn't think so.
    Too many jealous people out there, the rich people got to where they are though study and hard work.
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • Electric_Delta
    Electric_Delta Posts: 977
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Thoughts_Arrive wrote:
    What if that rich person got rich through hard work?
    Why should he pay more tax?
    as a general rule, and there are some exceptions, but it is impossible to get rich working for someone else.

    most of the rich built businesses, hit lottery or struck oil on their property. a lot of times it is just luck. i mean the guy who invented the pet rock became a millionaire...

    It also took a tremendous amount of risk to build those successful businesses. I'm sure the one thing that kept them going was INCENTIVE - something Obama hates vehemently.
    Bristow, VA (5/13/10)
  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Thoughts_Arrive wrote:
    What if that rich person got rich through hard work?
    Why should he pay more tax?
    as a general rule, and there are some exceptions, but it is impossible to get rich working for someone else.

    most of the rich built businesses, hit lottery or struck oil on their property. a lot of times it is just luck. i mean the guy who invented the pet rock became a millionaire...

    It also took a tremendous amount of risk to build those successful businesses. I'm sure the one thing that kept them going was INCENTIVE - something Obama hates vehemently.

    And all other left leaning governments globally, including the Australian Labor Party.
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • Prince Of Dorkness
    Prince Of Dorkness Posts: 3,763
    Thoughts_Arrive wrote:
    Obviously not.
    Did they go to university and study hard enough so that they don't end up in some dead end minimum wage job?

    In this job market? Yeah. A lot of them did. Not like it matters. My gardeners, my house cleaner... they work long hours, they work VERY hard and they do a great job. Yes, I pay them well and when I found out my trainer didn't have health insurance, I gave him a raise and paid for it myself. But I'm not very "typical" when it comes to employers. Most work their workers to the bone and pay them as little as they can get away with.

    Nah didn't think so.
    Too many jealous people out there, the rich people got to where they are though study and hard work.

    Oh, wouldn't it be nice if that was the case? Things so simple like that? hard-working people get rich and lazy people stay poor like they deserve? People who work their whole lives are rewarded with lots of cash and those people who sit around and do nothing just... get nothing?

    LOTS of people were born into their billions. Lots of people luck into their millions. Some people work their whole lives to achieve a goal and for a plethora of reasons.... it doesn't work out for them.

    And... "jealous?"

    You can't be talking about me... I'm one of the people who'd pay MORE if the Bush tax cuts were allowed to expire. And I'm actually OK with that. I find myself baffled by the people who are barely getting by that are loudly defending my taxes when I'm doing just fine. And giving me a tax cut because I "Create jobs?" Don't be silly... I'd employ the same number of people either way. People who are a LOT richer than me have shown that with lower taxes, they don't create more jobs... they just stockpile their money.

    It's the people with lower income who spend all their money because they HAVE to. You really want to "create jobs?" Tax me higher and tax the poorer people less.... they'll have more money and they'll spend it. And THAT... my friend.... creates jobs.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,055
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Thoughts_Arrive wrote:
    What if that rich person got rich through hard work?
    Why should he pay more tax?
    as a general rule, and there are some exceptions, but it is impossible to get rich working for someone else.

    most of the rich built businesses, hit lottery or struck oil on their property. a lot of times it is just luck. i mean the guy who invented the pet rock became a millionaire...

    It also took a tremendous amount of risk to build those successful businesses. I'm sure the one thing that kept them going was INCENTIVE - something Obama hates vehemently.
    so because obama supports entitlement programs he hates incentive?? :? :lol:

    why do people with your politics automatically believe that obama "hates" things that can not be proven if he believes in them either way??

    that is like saying "obama hasn't let the bush tax cuts expire because he hates the concept of poverty." it does not make any sense. those kinds of ideological statements will never be known.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Electric_Delta
    Electric_Delta Posts: 977
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    why do people with your politics automatically believe that obama "hates" things that can not be proven if he believes in them either way??

    that is like saying "obama hasn't let the bush tax cuts expire because he hates the concept of poverty." it does not make any sense. those kinds of ideological statements will never be known.

    His economic policies CLEARLY speak for themselves. I don't see how putting our nation in the position of defaulting on financial obligations FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY is good for business or the people at large.

    He does not hate the concept of poverty. Trust me, I will never accuse him of that - you can bet.
    Bristow, VA (5/13/10)

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