Obama and the Military

Parachute · June 2011

A recent history:

Obama "misspeaks" about dead Medal of Honor winner:
Speaking to Soldiers of the 10th mountain Division: "I had the great honor of seeing some of you because a comrade of yours, Jared Monti, was the first person who I was able to award the Medal of Honor to who actually came back and wasn’t receiving it posthumously."

The problem is, Jared Monti was killed in action in Afghanistan, on June 21, 2006. He was awarded the Medal of Honor posthumously, September 17, 2009. President Obama handed the framed medal to his parents, Paul and Janet Monti. He and the First Lady comforted them in the Oval Office following the ceremony.
(Full story here: http://blogs.cbn.com/WhiteHouseWrap/arc ... istan.aspx )

Obama troop pullout based on politics, and unsafe says top Generals and advisors:
Defense Secretary Robert Gates acknowledged that "the president had taken account of waning domestic political support when making the decision", AFP news agency reported.

Chairman of Joint Chiefs, Adm Mike Mullen said leaving troops in place was "the safer course" and that Obama's decision would "incur more risk than I was originally prepared to accept".

General David Petraeus, President Obama's nominee to head the Central Intelligence Agency, echoed Mr Mullen's remarks, saying "The decision was a more aggressive formulation in terms of the timeline than what we had recommended."
(Full story here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13893464 )

Obama pronounces Corpsman as "Corpse man":: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlKIfzoC8D0
NOTE: a CORPSE Man is a DEAD guy

We're all aware of the great lengths that Obama goes to, to pronounce Pakistan w/ 2 LONG 'A' sounds- (wouldn't want to offend his terrorist-collaborating brothers and sisters), but here we see the lack of respect he has for the brave Marines he sends to die in these very places.

This President does not have the confidence nor support of the forces he commands.

And all you drones that voted for this elitist jack-ass can follow him right off a cliff for all I care.

Have a nice day.

Byrnzie · June 2011

Parachute wrote:

This President does not have the confidence nor support of the forces he commands.

And all you drones that voted for this elitist jack-ass can follow him right off a cliff for all I care.

Have a nice day.

There's a big difference between the forces he commands, and the military Top Brass. The U.S Military has no business being in either Afghanistan, or Iraq. Bringing them home is the best thing he could do.

And as for making a gaffe about a dead Marine, this clearly isn't something Obama will be remembered for, unlike the previous Commander In Chief, who was a total buffoon.

JonnyPistachio · June 2011

Parachute wrote:

And all you drones that voted for this elitist jack-ass can follow him right off a cliff for all I care.

Have a nice day.

You must be such a pleasant person to be around.

Parachute · June 2011

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Parachute wrote:

And all you drones that voted for this elitist jack-ass can follow him right off a cliff for all I care.

Have a nice day.

You must be such a pleasant person to be around.

If attacking the messenger makes you feel better about your vote, so be it.

I doubt the family of Jared Monti shares your sentiment.

Parachute · June 2011

Byrnzie wrote:

Parachute wrote:

This President does not have the confidence nor support of the forces he commands.

And all you drones that voted for this elitist jack-ass can follow him right off a cliff for all I care.

Have a nice day.

There's a big difference between the forces he commands, and the military Top Brass. The U.S Military has no business being in either Afghanistan, or Iraq. Bringing them home is the best thing he could do.

And as for making a gaffe about a dead Marine, this clearly isn't something Obama will be remembered for, unlike the previous Commander In Chief, who was a total buffoon.

Byrnzie, I can't believe we agree on something, but I also believe we shouldn't be there, but fighting half-assed is even worse: It puts the soldiers at an even greater risk- and for his political gain.

And yes, Bush was a buffoon. WTF does that have to do with Obama's wars? They're his.

JonnyPistachio · June 2011

Parachute wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Parachute wrote:

And all you drones that voted for this elitist jack-ass can follow him right off a cliff for all I care.

Have a nice day.

You must be such a pleasant person to be around.

If attacking the messenger makes you feel better about your vote, so be it.

I doubt the family of Jared Monti shares your sentiment.

You dont have a clue about my sentiments. But yours are pretty clear -- you're better than anyone who voted for Obama. My point was that I read your post and was inclined to take it seriously until I read those last few lines and realized there IS no point because it sounded angry and pompous to me.

Sidnum · June 2011

Obama is 10x better than Bush on his best day. End of that argument.

And you say about Obama's respect for the troops. Please. How about the respect our military have for human life? Just look at the civilian death toll in any of the country that we're in. (that we shouldn't be in)

Godfather. · June 2011

Parachute is standing her ground and calling it like it is and all you guys can say is Bush was worse ?
that don't say much about you faith in Nobama or your understanding of the current issue...is this a sexist issue

? having a woman sling the hard truth at you and now you're offended ?

ya gotta see the "shoe on the other foot" comady here.
ride it till the wheels fall off Parachute I'm lovin this stuff.

Godfather.

Electric_Delta · June 2011

Byrnzie wrote:

Parachute wrote:

This President does not have the confidence nor support of the forces he commands.

And all you drones that voted for this elitist jack-ass can follow him right off a cliff for all I care.

Have a nice day.

There's a big difference between the forces he commands, and the military Top Brass. The U.S Military has no business being in either Afghanistan, or Iraq. Bringing them home is the best thing he could do.

And as for making a gaffe about a dead Marine, this clearly isn't something Obama will be remembered for, unlike the previous Commander In Chief, who was a total buffoon.

No, hopefully he'll be remembered for his illegal actions in Libya.

Parachute · June 2011

JohnnyP:

The point is what it is. You admitted it. But then dismissed it /c you don't like my politics. Put your head back in the sand.

Parachute · June 2011

Sidnum wrote:

Obama is 10x better than Bush on his best day. End of that argument.

And you say about Obama's respect for the troops. Please. How about the respect our military have for human life? Just look at the civilian death toll in any of the country that we're in. (that we shouldn't be in)

Wonderful. If you're advice to Obama's re-election campaign is to run on the platform of:
"I'm not as bad as Bush"

Well, it will be a long, cold November.

I'm guessing the White House has yet to ask your advice....

Parachute · June 2011

Godfather. wrote:

Parachute is standing her ground and calling it like it is and all you guys can say is Bush was worse ?
that don't say much about you faith in Nobama or your understanding of the current issue...is this a sexist issue ? having a woman sling the hard truth at you and now you're offended ? ya gotta see the "shoe on the other foot" comady here.
ride it till the wheels fall off Parachute I'm lovin this stuff.

Godfather.

Respect The Gotfather.

Parachute · June 2011

Electric_Delta wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

Parachute wrote:

This President does not have the confidence nor support of the forces he commands.

And all you drones that voted for this elitist jack-ass can follow him right off a cliff for all I care.

Have a nice day.

There's a big difference between the forces he commands, and the military Top Brass. The U.S Military has no business being in either Afghanistan, or Iraq. Bringing them home is the best thing he could do.

And as for making a gaffe about a dead Marine, this clearly isn't something Obama will be remembered for, unlike the previous Commander In Chief, who was a total buffoon.

No, hopefully he'll be remembered for his illegal actions in Libya.

i hope that by remembered, you mean impeached.

Haters can say what they want about Bush- the man had faults- but HE went to Congress, and CONGRESS authorized military actions in Afghan AND Iraq.

In short, he obeyed the Constitution. Unlike the current President.

Impeach!

gimmesometruth27 · June 2011

Parachute wrote:

No, hopefully he'll be remembered for his illegal actions in Libya.

i hope that by remembered, you mean impeached.

Haters can say what they want about Bush- the man had faults- but HE went to Congress, and CONGRESS authorized military actions in Afghan AND Iraq.

In short, he obeyed the Constitution. Unlike the current President.

Impeach![/quote]
i would hate to break it to you, but congress did not declare war in iraq or afghanistan, which is actually in the constitution that only congress can declare war. so bush breached the constitution....you may want to check your facts before posting...

JonnyPistachio · June 2011

Parachute wrote:

JohnnyP:

The point is what it is. You admitted it. But then dismissed it /c you don't like my politics. Put your head back in the sand.

I didnt admit anything...you assumed.
But I'll address your "point":
(I dont know if you said this or if it was a quote) "...but here we see the lack of respect he has for the brave Marines he sends to die in these very places."

I disagree that you can make this above assessment from your limited examples. Even if I dont agree with many of Obamas decisions (and I dont agree with most), I dont think its fair to say that he lacks respect for our servicemen and women.

But I do agree with your politics when you say we should not be in either war right now.

and PS -- I'll put my head back in the sand when you climb down off your high horse in the clouds.

Parachute · June 2011

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Parachute wrote:

No, hopefully he'll be remembered for his illegal actions in Libya.

i hope that by remembered, you mean impeached.

Haters can say what they want about Bush- the man had faults- but HE went to Congress, and CONGRESS authorized military actions in Afghan AND Iraq.

In short, he obeyed the Constitution. Unlike the current President.

Impeach!

GIMME SAID:
i would hate to break it to you, but congress did not declare war in iraq or afghanistan, which is actually in the constitution that only congress can declare war. so bush breached the constitution....you may want to check your facts before posting...[/quote]

PARACHUTE SAYS:
http://articles.cnn.com/2002-10-11/poli ... LLPOLITICS

OCT 11, 2002:
"In a major victory for the White House, the Senate early Friday voted 77-23 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions.

Hours earlier, the House approved an identical resolution, 296-133."

Congress authorized Operation Enduring Freedom (Afghan) on Sep. 14, 2001 by a vote of 98-0 in the Senate, and 420-1 in the House.

check it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaratio ... ted_States

I don't usually respond to you Gimme, because, and don't take this personally, you are consistently the most ill-informed individual on this board. That's not to say I don't find you entertaining, but an academic? Not so much.

This should be your greatest FAIl ever, but somehow I believe a comprehensive study of your 400K posts would no doubt prove otherwise. Who's got the time.

I don't know how you will ever show your beautiful face around here again, as your post was the most, again, I mean no personal offense; but your STATEMENT was the MOST ignorant I have ever heard. And I say that w/ the utmost respect for you as a human being.

Beavis said, "Rock on Butthead."

I need a tylenol...

Jason P · June 2011

Obama should have taken some notes from the Bush administration on how to get congress to declare an illegal war. First, you have to flat-out lie on your intentions, reasons, and proof for going to war. Then you have to beat the war drums and black-ball anyone who speaks up against war as unpatriotic, even if it means taking focus and resources away from the country responsible for the 9/11 attacks.

I mean, you can't just start dropping bombs because their is an internationally agreed humanitarian slaughter taking place. Sheesh! I mean, we didn't even get lied to! :roll:

Parachute · June 2011

Jason P wrote:

Obama should have taken some notes from the Bush administration on how to get congress to declare an illegal war. First, you have to flat-out lie on your intentions, reasons, and proof for going to war. Then you have to beat the war drums and black-ball anyone who speaks up against war as unpatriotic, even if it means taking focus and resources away from the country responsible for the 9/11 attacks.

I mean, you can't just start dropping bombs because their is an internationally agreed humanitarian slaughter taking place. Sheesh! I mean, we didn't even get lied to! :roll:

Even JasonP knows that Congress approved both actions....

I'm waiting Gimme....

gimmesometruth27 · June 2011

Parachute wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Parachute wrote:

No, hopefully he'll be remembered for his illegal actions in Libya.

i hope that by remembered, you mean impeached.

Haters can say what they want about Bush- the man had faults- but HE went to Congress, and CONGRESS authorized military actions in Afghan AND Iraq.

In short, he obeyed the Constitution. Unlike the current President.

Impeach!

GIMME SAID:
i would hate to break it to you, but congress did not declare war in iraq or afghanistan, which is actually in the constitution that only congress can declare war. so bush breached the constitution....you may want to check your facts before posting...

PARACHUTE SAYS:
http://articles.cnn.com/2002-10-11/poli ... LLPOLITICS

OCT 11, 2002:
"In a major victory for the White House, the Senate early Friday voted 77-23 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions.

Hours earlier, the House approved an identical resolution, 296-133."

Congress authorized Operation Enduring Freedom (Afghan) on Sep. 14, 2001 by a vote of 98-0 in the Senate, and 420-1 in the House.

check it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaratio ... ted_States

I don't usually respond to you Gimme, because, and don't take this personally, you are consistently the most ill-informed individual on this board. That's not to say I don't find you entertaining, but an academic? Not so much.

This should be your greatest FAIl ever, but somehow I believe a comprehensive study of your 400K posts would no doubt prove otherwise. Who's got the time.

I don't know how you will ever show your beautiful face around here again, as your post was the most, again, I mean no personal offense; but your STATEMENT was the MOST ignorant I have ever heard. And I say that w/ the utmost respect for you as a human being.

Beavis said, "Rock on Butthead."

I need a tylenol...[/quote]

it was not a formal declaration of war. so yeah believe whatver you want.

Electric_Delta · June 2011

Parachute wrote:

GIMME SAID:
i would hate to break it to you, but congress did not declare war in iraq or afghanistan, which is actually in the constitution that only congress can declare war. so bush breached the constitution....you may want to check your facts before posting...

PARACHUTE SAYS:
http://articles.cnn.com/2002-10-11/poli ... LLPOLITICS

OCT 11, 2002:
"In a major victory for the White House, the Senate early Friday voted 77-23 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions.

Hours earlier, the House approved an identical resolution, 296-133."

Congress authorized Operation Enduring Freedom (Afghan) on Sep. 14, 2001 by a vote of 98-0 in the Senate, and 420-1 in the House.

check it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaratio ... ted_States

I don't usually respond to you Gimme, because, and don't take this personally, you are consistently the most ill-informed individual on this board. That's not to say I don't find you entertaining, but an academic? Not so much.

This should be your greatest FAIl ever, but somehow I believe a comprehensive study of your 400K posts would no doubt prove otherwise. Who's got the time.

I don't know how you will ever show your beautiful face around here again, as your post was the most, again, I mean no personal offense; but your STATEMENT was the MOST ignorant I have ever heard. And I say that w/ the utmost respect for you as a human being.

Beavis said, "Rock on Butthead."

I need a tylenol...[/quote]

It always amuses me when you hear the bleeding hearts on the left, like John Kerry, bemoaning the Iraq War when they enthusiastically supported it.

gimmesometruth27 · June 2011

matters not to me what you think. the war was the wrong decision. how much money did we waste again? and what is it exactly that we accomplished? our troops are still dying in that place, so yeah we won :roll:

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