Michele Bachmann

Prince Of Dorkness · June 2011

inlet13 wrote:

I find it funny that the left hates her so much. In my mind, they are scared to death of her.

Anyone with brain cells would be afraid of someone that unhinged. This is a person who believes every silly internet rumor, every paranoid conspiracy theory, every crazy thing written on a blog.

She is right on most economic issues. Take econ 101 if you don't understand how the minimum wage does cause unemployment. She really impressed me in the debate. I thought she'd be similar to Palin, look good but not be too eloquent. That is not the case. She is articulate and knows her stuff.

Well no... she doesn't know her stuff but she sells her paranoid delusions very well. That's why she's so dangerous.

Her views on social issues won't matter in the end. I know I'm not alone in this, but I don't want the government involved in my life.

Well then she CERTAINLY isn't your candidate. She's one of those "let's let people vote on who gets rights and who doesn't" people. She's talked over and over about her culture wars. She's gone out of her way to wedge-issue groups. The Tea Baggers LOVE her but a person like that isn't going to sell to even the middle-of-the-road types.

The left knows an attractive, well-educated, well-spoken female /Republican candidate could take out Obama, stealing the female vote.

Yeah.. that's what they sad four years ago. And then the PUMAs were desperate to vote against Obama. But I don't think many women would want a nut bar like that just because she's a woman.

Prince Of Dorkness · June 2011

By the way... her saying that we should do away with the minimum wage just goes to show how totally clueless she is. Sorry, that's just not even vaguely true. Doing away with the minimum wage would make us pretty much like India was before they started to take all of our jobs:

And extremely huge, extremely poor underclass that works for pennies and lives in extreme poverty. A tiny middle class that somehow manages to eek by. A smaller ultra-rich class that owns everything and everyone.

IF that's the America you want to live in... sucks that you'll drag the rest of your country down with you.

gimmesometruth27 · June 2011

getting rid of the minimum wage would be ludicrous. how would any employer expect to hire anyone? because the minimum wage is just that, the lowest wage that anyone can be paid by law.

to me "minimum wage" translates to "I WOULD PAY YOU LESS, BUT THAT WOULD BE AGAINST THE LAW.."

Hugh Freaking Dillon · June 2011

does ANY republican think that Obama isn't a "gargantuan failure"? 'WORSE THAN BUSH". DID I ACTUALLY READ THAT?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Bachmann's a nutjob. Just like gimme said, she'll dig her own grave. the american electoral process is too long for the public NOT to figure that out.

in Canada, you can quite literally go on vacation and come back to a new PM without even knowing there was an election.

Go Beavers · June 2011

inlet13 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i am not afraid of her. she will cause her own campaign to implode. just wait.

palin was the darling of the gop in 2008, then she became the darling of the tea party and had a series of gaffes that make her unelectable. the same will happen in bachmann's case.

it is funny that you say that just because she is a woman she would steal women's votes.... i do not think it is that simple. i think women would look at her position on women's issues before they just arbitrarily vote for a woman who will defund planned parenthood and may be against a woman's right to choose. wait until her tea party values are exposed. she will get crushed if she gets the nomination because her extreme views do not gel with the majority of americans that she will need to win. to me it is that simple.

what will she do? all i have heard is her throwing stones and offering no real solutions...

Well, if you're an Obama supporter, I think you should be afraid of her and all other Republican candidates. Just because, Obama - in my opinion, has less than a 50/50 shot right now because he's been a gargantuan failure. Do you remember that his campaign pledged unemployment would never rise above 8.5%? It's been above that for almost his entire Presidency. He's a horrid, horrid President. He'll be linked to Carter when this is all finished. Yes, and he'll even be considered worse than Bush in history texts..... UNLESS, he gets unemployment below 8% by election season.

You're right Palin was the darling of the GOP in 2008. I'm not a fan, but she had more experience running a government than our President does, she actually ran a government and, believe it or not, Alaska did quite well economically.

Like Obama, she was a different type of politician. She offered charisma. After the election, she became the darling of the tea party, and yes she definitely has made gaffes at times (as does our current President and VP). The difference, I'd say is how those gaffes were treated. I know I'm not alone in thinking she was picked and prodded ruthlessly by the media. I'm being sincere in saying I feel she got tossed into the fire. DId she make mistakes? Yes. Were those mistakes exaggerated more so than Obama's mistakes in the media? Absolutely. As this occurred, feminists did nothing but watch her burn. Now, did she exacerbate the issue by trying to stay in the lime light in recent years... I'd say yes. To be fair, she should have laid low and that's one reason I'm not a fan. Regardless, although an average voter may not "like" Palin... I think they thought certain activities of how she was treated and what the media did, like rooting through her emails, was sick and unfair. I think the average voter doesn't like it when the media tries to alter public perception, particularly when the public already has a distaste for something (in this case Palin).

So, back to Bachmann... I think she would steal women's votes from Obama (for one, because his Presidency has been the biggest disaster since Carter), but also because of how "palin" was treated. I don't think the media can treat Bachmann that way again without the public growing even more upset and without the media potentially getting backlash from feminists on unfair preferential treatment towards men. If feminists have an open mind and really are for women having equal chance to obtain certain positions, they will rise up if she's treated unfairly, regardless of whether she has a different take on the issue of abortion. (Also, news flash,... for your own info, not all women are pro-abortion. It's a 50/50 issue.)

I have heard more credible economic solutions offered by her (and other Republican candidates) in one debate than I have for three years under the Obama administration. She explained that she would lower the corporate tax rate (from the highest in the industrialized world at 35%) to something more competitive. Zero out capital gains and zero out the alternative minimum tax. She'd repeal Obamacare. No more bailouts. And it's clear she understands economics unlike our current President..

Read more here:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304259304576375491103635726.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

I'm not sure where the notion that Democrats/liberals are afraid of Bachmann (same said of Palin) came from. Why wasn't the same thing said of McCain or now Romney. I guess it's because people who say that think that a female Republican will steal votes of female Democrats. Am I the only one insulted by that (and I'm a guy)? To think that liberal or leaning liberal women would give up their beliefs/values/preferences in a candidate because the challenger has a vagina is ridiculous and reflects someone who lives in an insulated world. Bachmann stand for nothing outside of the status quo. Penis or vagina, all the Republican candidates are essentially the same. Bachmann getting elected would say that a woman could be president. Is that what feminists are supposed to rally around? I think everyone knows by now that a woman can be president, and probably in the next 2 or 3 elections one will, but she wont be Republican.

You think Obama is a disaster because you're intake is solely from conservative media. I do give you some credit that a lot relies on employment, but not Obama's whole historical judgement. In a year the unemployment rate will be around 8% which will likely make the election a lock. You think Bachmann proposing tax cuts is new and exciting? Keep grasping on that notion, it's done wonders with the budget.

Your numbers are wrong on abortion, too. Women are 50% to 44% pro-choice to anti-abortion (maybe I'm nitpicking, though).

Byrnzie · June 2011

inlet13 wrote:

I find it funny that the left hates her so much.

It has nothing to do with hate.

The woman's a dangerous idiot, and if she, or someone like her, ever gets elected President, then the whole world will be fucked.

Godfather. · June 2011

Byrnzie wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

I find it funny that the left hates her so much.

It has nothing to do with hate.

The woman's a dangerous idiot, and if she, or someone like her, ever gets elected President, then the whole world will be fucked.

ha ha ha I'm not arguing with you Byenzie you could very well be spot on the money but I gotta tell ya man
a bunch of people said the same thing about obama.

Godfather.

blackredyellow · June 2011

Go Beavers wrote:

Obama wins in 2012 55-45 in a blow out. The Republican nominee only wins The Biggest Clown award.

I think that too... Serious republicans are going to play this safe and use 2012 as a chance to get their name out there and build a campaigning network.

inlet13 wrote:

I find it funny that the left hates her so much. In my mind, they are scared to death of her. They feel much more comfortable with Romney, for obvious reasons, as he's closer to their point of view.

I love that narrow-minded line of thinking... it was said over and over about Palin too... It's not that anyone is afraid of her (in terms of winning at least), it's that she really is batshit crazy, and ignorant of facts. Her supporters saying people are afraid of her is as stupid as Obama's supporters saying that everyone who hates him does so because he's black.

Jason P · June 2011

I don't know too much about Bachman, except that liberals really hate her. The fact that she has won six congressional races in a state known to lean left speaks for something on her ability to get votes.

It's looking good for Obama with a large republican field, but 2012 is a ways off. But Obama had better hope employment is up and the economy is starting to recover, otherwise it will be a huge weak point for the GOP to exploit.

mikepegg44 · June 2011

Jason P wrote:

I don't know too much about Bachman, except that liberals really hate her. The fact that she has won six congressional races in a state known to lean left speaks for something on her ability to get votes.

It's looking good for Obama with a large republican field, but 2012 is a ways off. But Obama had better hope employment is up and the economy is starting to recover, otherwise it will be a huge weak point for the GOP to exploit.

she has a that weaves around the more conservative suburbs of the metro and a little farther outstate. Not too surprising that she keeps winning...
Liberals do hate her, and they should...she epitomizes the exact picture of a republican...when a liberal closes his/her eyes and pictures everything that is wrong about the republican party, if her very picture doesn't come to their mind almost all of her stances on the issues will...
intelligent design...talks like a tea partier...seems a bit stupid...seems to hate gays and lesbians...basically everything that is wrong with the republican party in their minds...I happen to agree with them all here, she is way to emotionally hate filled to get my support...

inlet13 · June 2011

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Anyone with brain cells would be afraid of someone that unhinged.

First, anyone who doesn't agree with you is stupid, right? If so, that, right there, shows a lack of intelligence.

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

This is a person who believes every silly internet rumor, every paranoid conspiracy theory, every crazy thing written on a blog.

This is even funnier. All the information you've gathered on this woman could easily be considered a "internet rumor, a paranoid conspiracy theory or even a crazy thing written in a blog". Ironic, no?

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Well no... she doesn't know her stuff but she sells her paranoid delusions very well. That's why she's so dangerous.

No, she actually does appear to know her stuff. Next time try to use some facts behind blanket statements like this one.

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Well then she CERTAINLY isn't your candidate. She's one of those "let's let people vote on who gets rights and who doesn't" people. She's talked over and over about her culture wars. She's gone out of her way to wedge-issue groups. The Tea Baggers LOVE her but a person like that isn't going to sell to even the middle-of-the-road types.

Umm... thanks for speaking on who is and who is not my candidate. I heard her during the debate address a question in this arena and I thought she did well. I felt she was behind states making some decisions, and the federal government making others. She was asked directly about gay marriage and, when asked which, she sided more with states. Regardless, if you have an issue with her on something, spell it out, blanket statements do nothing.

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Yeah.. that's what they sad four years ago. And then the PUMAs were desperate to vote against Obama. But I don't think many women would want a nut bar like that just because she's a woman.

That's your opinion and you're entitled to that. All I am saying is Obama will lose if unemployment is above 8% and Bachmann could steal some female votes along the way. We'll see who's right later.

inlet13 · June 2011

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

By the way... her saying that we should do away with the minimum wage just goes to show how totally clueless she is. Sorry, that's just not even vaguely true. Doing away with the minimum wage would make us pretty much like India was before they started to take all of our jobs:

And extremely huge, extremely poor underclass that works for pennies and lives in extreme poverty. A tiny middle class that somehow manages to eek by. A smaller ultra-rich class that owns everything and everyone.

IF that's the America you want to live in... sucks that you'll drag the rest of your country down with you.

Seriously, take economics 101, learn what a price floor is. Then afterwards, explain how that does not create unemployment.

If you can't understand an economics text, think of it as if you own a business. You have a budget of $80/day. You pay each worker $5 an hour. Your store is open 16 hours a day. You have two employees, each works 8 hours a day. So, you exhaust your labor budget each day.

Then the government comes in and says you can no longer pay $5/hour. Now, for arguments sake, the minimum wage is moved to $10/hour. You now have to lay off one of your workers because you can no longer afford to pay that. Your budget of $80 will be eaten up entirely by one employee.

That's why the minimum wage causes unemployment. She's 100% right and 99% of economists would tell you that.

inlet13 · June 2011

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

getting rid of the minimum wage would be ludicrous. how would any employer expect to hire anyone? because the minimum wage is just that, the lowest wage that anyone can be paid by law.

to me "minimum wage" translates to "I WOULD PAY YOU LESS, BUT THAT WOULD BE AGAINST THE LAW.."

No offense, but that's ludicrous.

Have you ever taken a job below the minimum wage when you were in high school? I did. I made the decision to take the money. No one forced me to take the money or do the work. I made the decision myself.

What opponents of the minimum wage understand is that the minimum wage actually harms people who would work for less than the minimum wage. It basically acts as a tax on the poor. It's a horrible, horribly regressive economic issue. It creates unemployment, and does so to the poorest.... the people who would work for $5/hour.

gimmesometruth27 · June 2011

i don't think you are right about obama losing if unemployment is still at 8%.

i think if given the choice between obama with an 9% unemployment rating and this loon, i think obama still takes it in a landslide. the majority of the country is not anti gay, not for intelligent design, and not for the free market determining everything, and definitely not for tea party ideals. if they were the tea party would not be in the republican party, rather it would be it's own formidable party. unfortunately it compromised and was swallowed up by the gop.

gimmesometruth27 · June 2011

inlet13 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

getting rid of the minimum wage would be ludicrous. how would any employer expect to hire anyone? because the minimum wage is just that, the lowest wage that anyone can be paid by law.

to me "minimum wage" translates to "I WOULD PAY YOU LESS, BUT THAT WOULD BE AGAINST THE LAW.."

No offense, but that's ludicrous.

Have you ever taken a job below the minimum wage when you were in high school? I did. I made the decision to take the money. No one forced me to take the money or do the work. I made the decision myself.

What opponents of the minimum wage understand is that the minimum wage actually harms people who would work for less than the minimum wage. It basically acts as a tax on the poor. It's a horrible, horribly regressive economic issue. It creates unemployment, and does so to the poorest.... the people who would work for $5/hour.

how did you work for less than minimum wage when the minimum wage is the lowest people can legally be paid? :?

i am sorry, but i do not know of anybody in this country who would actually work for less than the established minimum wage. unless maybe immigrants, but then people would be saying "dey took ur jerbs!!!"

we have to maintain some sort of standard for the minimum wage that someone can pay. otherwise there would be millions of unfilled $4 an hour jobs. would people really work a job where after a full 8 hour day of work they can afford less than 8 gallons of gas??

any resemblance between your reality and mine is purely coincidental...

inlet13 · June 2011

Go Beavers wrote:

I'm not sure where the notion that Democrats/liberals are afraid of Bachmann (same said of Palin) came from. Why wasn't the same thing said of McCain or now Romney. I guess it's because people who say that think that a female Republican will steal votes of female Democrats. Am I the only one insulted by that (and I'm a guy)? To think that liberal or leaning liberal women would give up their beliefs/values/preferences in a candidate because the challenger has a vagina is ridiculous and reflects someone who lives in an insulated world. Bachmann stand for nothing outside of the status quo. Penis or vagina, all the Republican candidates are essentially the same. Bachmann getting elected would say that a woman could be president. Is that what feminists are supposed to rally around? I think everyone knows by now that a woman can be president, and probably in the next 2 or 3 elections one will, but she wont be Republican.

I already covered that. The left wants certain Republican candidates to do well. They don't really have a deep-seeded hatred for McCain or Romney. Why? Because they are closer to their ideology. The left hates people on the right. They particularly hate psuedo-libertarian types.... am I saying Bachmann is a libertarian? No. But, is she on a lot more issues than Romney? Yes.

As for your other points.... do you think more African Americans voted for President Obama than they would have if a Caucasian was running as the Democratic candidate? Did I live in a insulated world when there was record African American turnout? I don't think so.

Go Beavers wrote:

You think Obama is a disaster because you're intake is solely from conservative media. I do give you some credit that a lot relies on employment, but not Obama's whole historical judgement. In a year the unemployment rate will be around 8% which will likely make the election a lock. You think Bachmann proposing tax cuts is new and exciting? Keep grasping on that notion, it's done wonders with the budget.

No, my intake is not from conservative media. Thanks for the blanket statement acting like you know me or what I choose to watch/read. You're 100% dead wrong. Is your intake solely from liberal media?

I think Obama is a disaster because he has the worst economic record of a President in modern times. Name one statistic that has gotten better under his administration? He's a failure. A horrid, horrid failure. He may be worse than Carter when all is said and done.

Are you an economist? How do you know that the unemployment rate will be around 8%? How? Our President said it would never go above 8.5% during his Presidency and it has remained there his entire Presidency.

Also, our corporate tax rate is the highest in the industrialized world. Lower costs, and you may ramp up employment. Grasping at straws is tying our economic future into green jobs and government stimulus, while China, India and the like produce jobs based on supply and demand.

Go Beavers wrote:

Your numbers are wrong on abortion, too. Women are 50% to 44% pro-choice to anti-abortion (maybe I'm nitpicking, though).

You're wrong:

Here's a quote from gallup:

"A year ago, Gallup found more women calling themselves pro-choice than pro-life, by 50% to 43%, while men were more closely divided: 49% pro-choice, 46% pro-life. Now, because of heightened pro-life sentiment among both groups, women as well as men are more likely to be pro-life."

Statistics on this issue are dependent on the source.

inlet13 · June 2011

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i don't think you are right about obama losing if unemployment is still at 8%.

i think if given the choice between obama with an 9% unemployment rating and this loon, i think obama still takes it in a landslide. the majority of the country is not anti gay, not for intelligent design, and not for the free market determining everything, and definitely not for tea party ideals. if they were the tea party would not be in the republican party, rather it would be it's own formidable party. unfortunately it compromised and was swallowed up by the gop.

Economics are what will decide the election. If liberals try to run on social issues they will get destroyed. People want to talk jobs. They don't give a crap about all that other stuff.

Jason P · June 2011

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

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how did you work for less than minimum wage when the minimum wage is the lowest people can legally be paid? :?
...

You probably had to grow up in a rural area.

I used to bail hay for $2 / hr at a neighboring farm when in the around 13. Payment was cash under the table (we didn't need a very big table

). Harvest didn't last too long so it wasn't a big deal and I was more interested in being allowed to work with the grownups more then anything.

inlet13 · June 2011

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

getting rid of the minimum wage would be ludicrous. how would any employer expect to hire anyone? because the minimum wage is just that, the lowest wage that anyone can be paid by law.

to me "minimum wage" translates to "I WOULD PAY YOU LESS, BUT THAT WOULD BE AGAINST THE LAW.."

No offense, but that's ludicrous.

Have you ever taken a job below the minimum wage when you were in high school? I did. I made the decision to take the money. No one forced me to take the money or do the work. I made the decision myself.

What opponents of the minimum wage understand is that the minimum wage actually harms people who would work for less than the minimum wage. It basically acts as a tax on the poor. It's a horrible, horribly regressive economic issue. It creates unemployment, and does so to the poorest.... the people who would work for $5/hour.

how did you work for less than minimum wage when the minimum wage is the lowest people can legally be paid? :?

i am sorry, but i do not know of anybody in this country who would actually work for less than the established minimum wage. unless maybe immigrants, but then people would be saying "dey took ur jerbs!!!"

we have to maintain some sort of standard for the minimum wage that someone can pay. otherwise there would be millions of unfilled $4 an hour jobs. would people really work a job where after a full 8 hour day of work they can afford less than 8 gallons of gas??

any resemblance between your reality and mine is purely coincidental...

I received pay "under the table" as a dishwasher when I was 14. The money was nice to have. If my employer paid the minimum wage, I wouldn't have had that money or a job.

We don't have to maintain anything. OUr economy is in shambles. There's millions of people sucking on a government teet that is borrowing it's milk (money if you didn't get the analogy) from chinese and other foreign cows.

People would work for money if they "want" to. Stop telling people what they will and won't do. Let them decide. If the minimum wage disappeared and no one would work for $4 hour... then guess what, the employer would probably decide to pay $5/hour... or maybe $6.... maybe they would keep boosting it up until they got someone who was willing to work for that wage. Let the markets decide. People lined up in thousands for jobs at McDonalds recently. People want jobs. Allow business to give them jobs, and stop the government from getting in the way.

The government is the most inefficient source of anything. They ruin everything. I favor Republicans because I realize how bad the government f's things up. Including the Republicans, they are a horrid, horrid body of liars, power-hungry douche bags. That's why I favor minimizing government. Unfortunately, in our two party system, the only party that has any hope of doing that economically is Republicans.

inlet13 · June 2011

Jason P wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

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how did you work for less than minimum wage when the minimum wage is the lowest people can legally be paid? :?
...

You probably had to grow up in a rural area.

I used to bail hay for $2 / hr at a neighboring farm when in the around 13. Payment was cash under the table (we didn't need a very big table ). Harvest didn't last too long so it wasn't a big deal and I was more interested in being allowed to work with the grownups more then anything.

No, I grew up in Philly. But, yeh, you're right... it was under the table. I was psyched to have a bit of loot.

Michele Bachmann

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