Please read things in context before you jump in. I was asked for an example of a country that is relatively successful economically and has no minimum wage. I did as asked.
What I asked for was "Maybe you can point to some prosperous countries with no minimum wage and no social safety net."
And clearly Singapore has a social safety net. A lot better than ours. But our economy could NEVER survive having no minimum wage. I'd expect someone who claims to have a PhD in economics would know that.
But our economy could NEVER survive having no minimum wage. I'd expect someone who claims to have a PhD in economics would know that.
Yes, our economy could easily survive having a minimum wage. Seriously, please... you're embarrassing yourself now.
If you don't agree with abolishing the minimum wage, that's fine. But, to say our economy wouldn't survive without it is seriously a factually incorrect statement. Even your liberal friends will disagree with you there. Seriously, try to get some support on that issue.
Although the general public may not know the word Keynesian, they aren't dumb. We will be Greece, if we're not careful. We need to stop spending and this President came in and immediately setup another entitlement, when we can't afford the ones we have.
If you owed money on your credit card, you wouldn't be saying "let's bring in more money, that will solve the problem." Because there's no guarantee you can. Instead a rational person would say, "I need to stop spending on my credit card until it becomes manageable." The average voter has had to cut back, they understand this. The government does not. Democrats will lose on the economy for this reason and the fact that close to 20% of our population is out of work.
The whole "America's economy is just like Greece's" was started over a year ago by certain conservative media outlets (again, you may have thought it up on your own, though). You say that you have knowledge of the economy, then you should know this is an attempt to manipulate through fear. To say the U.S. economy is like Greece's is avoiding looking at other economic factors between the two.
It's not an attempt to manipulate through fear. Just like Greece, our national debt is a serious problem that won't just go away. Greece is an example of what could happen, but if it happened here it would be way, way worse. We can't get bailed out. We're too big.
Spain, Portugal and Ireland are also being compared to Greece, so is that wrong? I don't think so. The problem is debt. Greece is an example of a country that got screwed by their debt problem.
So when a republican president is a deficit spender, we're an economic powerhouse and one of the richest nations in the world, but a dem does it and now were just like Greece?
Nah, I don't have it backwards. In our society, a U.S. citizen would not need to work for $5/hour if they don't want to. No one can force someone into work, that's called slavery.
In your example, guy #2 should move on to find a job that's compatible with what he thinks he deserves. He could go to company #2 and get more than guy #1... that is, if he's actually worth it. If guy #2 is really good at what he does, company #3 may then try to steal him away for even more money. Markets work. Government doesn't.
Bottom line: the minimum wage causes unemployment, and does so at the expense of people who would be willing to work for that amount --- hence, the poor. It's 100% regressive in nature. Once again, no one can force someone to work. A person chooses to take a job. If they take a job for $5/hour, they make that choice. Because the government intervenes and thinks it knows what people want, it creates unemployment.
haha, we're talking about minimum wage and it sounds like you are talking about accountants choosing which corporation they work for. we're talking about poor people who have no CHOICE but to work in any capacity that they can, and if that means cleaning up horseshit for $20 per day, then they'll do it. there's always a class of people willing to do it, unfortunately. that's the nature of a free market society.
minimum wage is there to PROTECT the citizens that don't have the training or the wherewithal to get a decent paying job without getting raped by some unscrupulous employer.
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So when a republican president is a deficit spender, we're an economic powerhouse and one of the richest nations in the world, but a dem does it and now were just like Greece?
Not unlike their stance on the sanctity of marriage... do as they say... NEVER as they do.
And the name calling continues... congrats. Name calling, especially regarding intelligence, obviously proves you're smart.
If she was a duck, I'd call her a duck. But she's not a duck. She is a moron. And calling her a moron is an insult to morons. I was being kind when I called her a moron.
If she was a duck, I'd call her a duck. But she's not a duck. She is a moron. And calling her a moron is an insult to morons. I was being kind when I called her a moron.
sing it, brother.
Hey, if you don't want us to call your candidate a moron, don't vote for a moron.
no one can force someone to work. A person chooses to take a job.
People need to work, because people need money to survive. Allowing employers to treat people like slaves by paying them a few dollars an hour causes resentment, destitution, and ultimately, crime.
minimum wage is there to PROTECT the citizens that don't have the training or the wherewithal to get a decent paying job without getting raped by some unscrupulous employer.
In the future people like bachmann will be seen as the last of a dying breed. Just like the racists from 60-70 years ago. There will certainly be people like Bachmann in the future, but no chance they would be electable. In fact, I'm surprised she is now. I'm ashamed we still have societies in North America that vote people like this into office.
she, like anyone else against the minimum wage, is pro-business and anti-worker. just like the governors of wisconsin, ohio, florida, indiana, and many other states. this alone makes her unelectable.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
So when a republican president is a deficit spender, we're an economic powerhouse and one of the richest nations in the world, but a dem does it and now were just like Greece?
Did I ever say that? No, I did not. If a Republican was in the White House, it would not change the fact that the debt situation is dire. We can't keep spending like we are and not run into problems like Greece is.
haha, we're talking about minimum wage and it sounds like you are talking about accountants choosing which corporation they work for. we're talking about poor people who have no CHOICE but to work in any capacity that they can, and if that means cleaning up horseshit for $20 per day, then they'll do it. there's always a class of people willing to do it, unfortunately. that's the nature of a free market society.
minimum wage is there to PROTECT the citizens that don't have the training or the wherewithal to get a decent paying job without getting raped by some unscrupulous employer.
I don't get the capital letter usage, but since you did it, I'll try it too...
I'm talking about economics 101. Every human being has a CHOICE to work. The minimum wage HARMS the people it claims to protect. The minimum wage causes unemployment in the group it claims to assist... the poor.
haha, we're talking about minimum wage and it sounds like you are talking about accountants choosing which corporation they work for. we're talking about poor people who have no CHOICE but to work in any capacity that they can, and if that means cleaning up horseshit for $20 per day, then they'll do it. there's always a class of people willing to do it, unfortunately. that's the nature of a free market society.
minimum wage is there to PROTECT the citizens that don't have the training or the wherewithal to get a decent paying job without getting raped by some unscrupulous employer.
I don't get the capital letter usage, but since you did it, I'll try it too...
I'm talking about economics 101. Every human being has a CHOICE to work. The minimum wage HARMS the people it claims to protect. The minimum wage causes unemployment in the group it claims to assist... the poor.
You really believe that working is a CHOICE?
My whole life
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of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
no one can force someone to work. A person chooses to take a job.
People need to work, because people need money to survive. Allowing employers to treat people like slaves by paying them a few dollars an hour causes resentment, destitution, and ultimately, crime.
I think people should work, but not everyone does. Look at people on welfare as one example. But, yes, people need money to survive, you're right. They can get it in varied ways.
I'm going to change a word in your quote: Allowing the government to treat people like slaves by paying them to do nothing, then taking it away once the government goes broke causes resentment, destitution, and ultimately, crime.
Abolishing the minimum wage would only affect people who get paid around the minimum wage, and it would CREATE jobs for those people.... who are poor. Jobs don't create resentment, destitution and crime,... instead, they create a thriving society with less resentment, destitution and crime.
And the name calling continues... congrats. Name calling, especially regarding intelligence, obviously proves you're smart.
If she was a duck, I'd call her a duck. But she's not a duck. She is a moron. And calling her a moron is an insult to morons. I was being kind when I called her a moron.
she, like anyone else against the minimum wage, is pro-business and anti-worker. just like the governors of wisconsin, ohio, florida, indiana, and many other states. this alone makes her unelectable.
News flash: Being pro-business is being pro-worker.
haha, we're talking about minimum wage and it sounds like you are talking about accountants choosing which corporation they work for. we're talking about poor people who have no CHOICE but to work in any capacity that they can, and if that means cleaning up horseshit for $20 per day, then they'll do it. there's always a class of people willing to do it, unfortunately. that's the nature of a free market society.
minimum wage is there to PROTECT the citizens that don't have the training or the wherewithal to get a decent paying job without getting raped by some unscrupulous employer.
I don't get the capital letter usage, but since you did it, I'll try it too...
I'm talking about economics 101. Every human being has a CHOICE to work. The minimum wage HARMS the people it claims to protect. The minimum wage causes unemployment in the group it claims to assist... the poor.
Look up the term price floor.
how does a minimum wage negatively effect those it was designed to protect?? it guarantees that they can not be paid less than that.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
You could not work, and there may be bad consequences associated with that decision. But, that does not make it any less of a choice.
I guess, but by your definition, so is eating, drinking, taking shelter, etc...
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
she, like anyone else against the minimum wage, is pro-business and anti-worker. just like the governors of wisconsin, ohio, florida, indiana, and many other states. this alone makes her unelectable.
News flash: Being pro-business is being pro-worker.
No it's not... it can be, but I can also be very anti-worker.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
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What I asked for was "Maybe you can point to some prosperous countries with no minimum wage and no social safety net."
And clearly Singapore has a social safety net. A lot better than ours. But our economy could NEVER survive having no minimum wage. I'd expect someone who claims to have a PhD in economics would know that.
Ok, first... what the fuck is she talking about?
Second... did she just say that France is being taken over by Muslim Catholics?
And this is who the Tea Party wants to lead our country.
And the name calling continues... congrats. Name calling, especially regarding intelligence, obviously proves you're smart.
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Yes, our economy could easily survive having a minimum wage. Seriously, please... you're embarrassing yourself now.
If you don't agree with abolishing the minimum wage, that's fine. But, to say our economy wouldn't survive without it is seriously a factually incorrect statement. Even your liberal friends will disagree with you there. Seriously, try to get some support on that issue.
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So when a republican president is a deficit spender, we're an economic powerhouse and one of the richest nations in the world, but a dem does it and now were just like Greece?
haha, we're talking about minimum wage and it sounds like you are talking about accountants choosing which corporation they work for. we're talking about poor people who have no CHOICE but to work in any capacity that they can, and if that means cleaning up horseshit for $20 per day, then they'll do it. there's always a class of people willing to do it, unfortunately. that's the nature of a free market society.
minimum wage is there to PROTECT the citizens that don't have the training or the wherewithal to get a decent paying job without getting raped by some unscrupulous employer.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Um... we DO have a minimum wage.
I thought you had a degree in economics.
Not unlike their stance on the sanctity of marriage... do as they say... NEVER as they do.
If she was a duck, I'd call her a duck. But she's not a duck. She is a moron. And calling her a moron is an insult to morons. I was being kind when I called her a moron.
sing it, brother.
Hey, if you don't want us to call your candidate a moron, don't vote for a moron.
People need to work, because people need money to survive. Allowing employers to treat people like slaves by paying them a few dollars an hour causes resentment, destitution, and ultimately, crime.
Exactamondo!
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In the future people like bachmann will be seen as the last of a dying breed. Just like the racists from 60-70 years ago. There will certainly be people like Bachmann in the future, but no chance they would be electable. In fact, I'm surprised she is now. I'm ashamed we still have societies in North America that vote people like this into office.
Her ignorance and fearmongering are truly priceless.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Did I ever say that? No, I did not. If a Republican was in the White House, it would not change the fact that the debt situation is dire. We can't keep spending like we are and not run into problems like Greece is.
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I don't get the capital letter usage, but since you did it, I'll try it too...
I'm talking about economics 101. Every human being has a CHOICE to work. The minimum wage HARMS the people it claims to protect. The minimum wage causes unemployment in the group it claims to assist... the poor.
Look up the term price floor.
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You really believe that working is a CHOICE?
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I think people should work, but not everyone does. Look at people on welfare as one example. But, yes, people need money to survive, you're right. They can get it in varied ways.
I'm going to change a word in your quote: Allowing the government to treat people like slaves by paying them to do nothing, then taking it away once the government goes broke causes resentment, destitution, and ultimately, crime.
Abolishing the minimum wage would only affect people who get paid around the minimum wage, and it would CREATE jobs for those people.... who are poor. Jobs don't create resentment, destitution and crime,... instead, they create a thriving society with less resentment, destitution and crime.
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I know it's a choice.
You could not work, and there may be bad consequences associated with that decision. But, that does not make it any less of a choice.
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If that's the case, are you a moron?
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News flash: Being pro-business is being pro-worker.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
It increases unemployment in that population (the people who would be willing to work for less than the minimum wage). That's how.
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I guess, but by your definition, so is eating, drinking, taking shelter, etc...
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
No it's not... it can be, but I can also be very anti-worker.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln