Season Ticket Sales Office Miscommunication for PJ20 Weekend

josevolution · May 2011

Sawyer wrote:

just angry that I made a good find, and the disorganization of this band have once again let me down....oh well. This doesn't happen with DMB, U2, or Springsteen. It is a well oiled machine.

I really don't get how 10C let you down , they secured a good amount of tickets for the fan base you decided to go another route and score your own tickets the one's that screwd you as i see it are LN .

given2fly23 · May 2011

NewJPage wrote:

oh yeah. not sure if i'm gonna stay somewhere up there or drive back and forth. I probably should figure that out soon, huh? you staying up there?

We have a room for Sat night. I think we'll drive back on Sunday night. we're usually so jacked up after a show that the first couple hours go by fast, and Alpine to home is only a couple hours for me.

Sawyer · May 2011

josevolution wrote:

Sawyer wrote:

just angry that I made a good find, and the disorganization of this band have once again let me down....oh well. This doesn't happen with DMB, U2, or Springsteen. It is a well oiled machine.

I really don't get how 10C let you down , they secured a good amount of tickets for the fan base you decided to go another route and score your own tickets the one's that screwd you as i see it are LN .

i cannot figure out how logical people do not see the 10 Club as 1/2 of this botched tandem.

JimmyV · May 2011

Sawyer wrote:

josevolution wrote:

Sawyer wrote:

just angry that I made a good find, and the disorganization of this band have once again let me down....oh well. This doesn't happen with DMB, U2, or Springsteen. It is a well oiled machine.

I really don't get how 10C let you down , they secured a good amount of tickets for the fan base you decided to go another route and score your own tickets the one's that screwd you as i see it are LN .

i cannot figure out how logical people do not see the 10 Club as 1/2 of this botched tandem.

Since we do not know exactly what happened or where the communication breakdown occurred, it is quite easy to give 10C the benefit of the doubt and think that Livenation's reps just sold tickets as they normally would. I'm not saying I believe that is what happened because the whole thing does seem strange, but I do see how people get there.

guacamolejoe · May 2011

Sawyer wrote:

just angry that I made a good find, and the disorganization of this band have once again let me down....oh well. This doesn't happen with DMB, U2, or Springsteen. It is a well oiled machine.

That's because PJ doesn't rip the fans off with VIP seats :oops: .

jamminpearls · May 2011

Sawyer wrote:

josevolution wrote:

Sawyer wrote:

just angry that I made a good find, and the disorganization of this band have once again let me down....oh well. This doesn't happen with DMB, U2, or Springsteen. It is a well oiled machine.

I really don't get how 10C let you down , they secured a good amount of tickets for the fan base you decided to go another route and score your own tickets the one's that screwd you as i see it are LN .

i cannot figure out how logical people do not see the 10 Club as 1/2 of this botched tandem.

How did they? And u can read my posts i'm not a 10c apologist like alot of people are. They announced a tour when they felt it was time and probably scored alot of extra fan club seats for us. Live nation sold u the tickets not the 10c. The 10c was probably made aware of this by your post and contacted them to sort out this issue. Live nation should have contacted you,but instead Tim came on and basically made a thread to let u know what the deal was. So how is this the 10c fault???

dimitrispearljam · May 2011

guacamolejoe wrote:

Sawyer wrote:

just angry that I made a good find, and the disorganization of this band have once again let me down....oh well. This doesn't happen with DMB, U2, or Springsteen. It is a well oiled machine.

That's because PJ doesn't rip the fans off with VIP seats :oops: .

exactly and really,i dont see why sawyer have problem with fan club that didnt promise,sell those ticket and the same time they let know the fans that try to get the best and the more for their members...

josevolution · May 2011

Sawyer wrote:

josevolution wrote:

Sawyer wrote:

just angry that I made a good find, and the disorganization of this band have once again let me down....oh well. This doesn't happen with DMB, U2, or Springsteen. It is a well oiled machine.

I really don't get how 10C let you down , they secured a good amount of tickets for the fan base you decided to go another route and score your own tickets the one's that screwd you as i see it are LN .

i cannot figure out how logical people do not see the 10 Club as 1/2 of this botched tandem.

I'm really sorry this happened to you believe me , but i just don't get what 10C was supposed to do in this matter for you ? tell you don't go and purchase tickets thru LN before our sale ? . you beat everybody to the punch by going that route as far as we know PJ management thought they had all their negotiations done proper and then some idiot at LN just didn't get the memo again you got screwd by LN ....i really hope it works out for you ...

dougfloyd · May 2011

josevolution wrote:

Sawyer wrote:

just angry that I made a good find, and the disorganization of this band have once again let me down....oh well. This doesn't happen with DMB, U2, or Springsteen. It is a well oiled machine.

I really don't get how 10C let you down , they secured a good amount of tickets for the fan base you decided to go another route and score your own tickets the one's that screwd you as i see it are LN .

+1 Exactly

Sawyer · May 2011

I really don't get how 10C let you down , they secured a good amount of tickets for the fan base you decided to go another route and score your own tickets the one's that screwd you as i see it are LN .[/quote]

i cannot figure out how logical people do not see the 10 Club as 1/2 of this botched tandem.[/quote]

I'm really sorry this happened to you believe me , but i just don't get what 10C was supposed to do in this matter for you ? tell you don't go and purchase tickets thru LN before our sale ? . you beat everybody to the punch by going that route as far as we know PJ management thought they had all their negotiations done proper and then some idiot at LN just didn't get the memo again you got screwd by LN ....i really hope it works out for you ...[/quote]

exactly..."thought". it needs to be set in stone....every minute detail...that's the business they're in..dealing w/ intricacies

shep · May 2011

Alright, so after reading all of this mess and going to the gym and thinking about it, here is my 2 cents on what has most likely happened here:

When the contract was worked out between Pearl Jam and Live Nation for the venue, Live Nation included a clause where existing season ticket holders got to keep their premium seats. As a result, Live Nation would issue 10C their allotment of tickets day of the show, at the number agreed to in the contract.

What has happened is that Live Nation didn't make a clause for any new Season Ticket sales in the contract. I would say this is what usually happens, and in the time period leading up to the show Live Nation gets a limited number of people calling in for new season tickets. I would say it's usually limited, so Live Nation taking an extra 10 or 15 seats right up front probably goes completely unnoticed by most bands, because their still getting their allotment of the tickets (or their cut of the sales).

So I think what has happened here is that Sawyer coming onto the forums and bragging about his ticket score brought this to the attention of 10C who have reacted justly, and are probably technically in the right, as Sawyer wasn't an existing season ticket hold when the contracts were all signed. So he has no one to blame for this clusterfuck but himself. Chances are if he hadn't of screamed about it here, 10C would have been none the wiser and Live Nation would have got away with cheating their own contracts, like usual. 10C still would have got its set number of tickets fine and dandy, just with an extra row or 2 in front.

So essentially this is the Live Nation's fault; however (and I hate to defend Live Nation, but right now it's going to happen), 10C should have been professional enough to let Live Nation deal with their mess first, and then post this information on the board. Usually in a situation like this you give someone some professional curtosy, however, we all know how 10C and Pearl Jam feel about LN/TM, so this wasn't afforded.

And let's be honest here, 10C's beef isn't over an extra row of seats between fan club members and the stage, it's about lost revenue. They could be the ones controlling the sale of these seats and making the money off them, not Live Nation, and that's what is driving this whole issue.

Just my 2 cents, don't shoot the messenger. I will bet though that Sawyer will now wind up with better seats than anyone in the venue.

Sawyer · May 2011

shep wrote:

Alright, so after reading all of this mess and going to the gym and thinking about it, here is my 2 cents on what has most likely happened here:

When the contract was worked out between Pearl Jam and Live Nation for the venue, Live Nation included a clause where existing season ticket holders got to keep their premium seats. As a result, Live Nation would issue 10C their allotment of tickets day of the show, at the number agreed to in the contract.

What has happened is that Live Nation didn't make a clause for any new Season Ticket sales in the contract. I would say this is what usually happens, and in the time period leading up to the show Live Nation gets a limited number of people calling in for new season tickets. I would say it's usually limited, so Live Nation taking an extra 10 or 15 seats right up front probably goes completely unnoticed by most bands, because their still getting their allotment of the tickets (or their cut of the sales).

So I think what has happened here is that Sawyer coming onto the forums and bragging about his ticket score brought this to the attention of 10C who have reacted justly, and are probably technically in the right, as Sawyer wasn't an existing season ticket hold when the contracts were all signed. So he has no one to blame for this clusterfuck but himself. Chances are if he hadn't of screamed about it here, 10C would have been none the wiser and Live Nation would have got away with cheating their own contracts, like usual. 10C still would have got its set number of tickets fine and dandy, just with an extra row or 2 in front.

So essentially this is the Live Nation's fault; however (and I hate to defend Live Nation, but right now it's going to happen), 10C should have been professional enough to let Live Nation deal with their mess first, and then post this information on the board. Usually in a situation like this you give someone some professional curtosy, however, we all know how 10C and Pearl Jam feel about LN/TM, so this wasn't afforded.

And let's be honest here, 10C's beef isn't over an extra row of seats between fan club members and the stage, it's about lost revenue. They could be the ones controlling the sale of these seats and making the money off them, not Live Nation, and that's what is driving this whole issue.

Just my 2 cents, don't shoot the messenger. I will bet though that Sawyer will now wind up with better seats than anyone in the venue.

thank you but I was not bragging...I was hoping to provide an opportunity to other members who do not want to be on the lawn and could afford that package. We shall see about my seats

Mcam55 · May 2011

If you weren't in the 10club and were just some random dude that bought those tix from Live Nation I dont think you would be blaming 10club for what happened. They had nothing to do with your transaction for tix.

Sawyer · May 2011

Mcam55 wrote:

If you weren't in the 10club and were just some random dude that bought those tix from Live Nation I dont think you would be blaming 10club for what happened.

but I am and I know how it works......that statement makes no sense

josevolution · May 2011

Sawyer wrote:

I really don't get how 10C let you down , they secured a good amount of tickets for the fan base you decided to go another route and score your own tickets the one's that screwd you as i see it are LN .

i cannot figure out how logical people do not see the 10 Club as 1/2 of this botched tandem.[/quote]

I'm really sorry this happened to you believe me , but i just don't get what 10C was supposed to do in this matter for you ? tell you don't go and purchase tickets thru LN before our sale ? . you beat everybody to the punch by going that route as far as we know PJ management thought they had all their negotiations done proper and then some idiot at LN just didn't get the memo again you got screwd by LN ....i really hope it works out for you ...[/quote]

exactly..."thought". it needs to be set in stone....every minute detail...that's the business they're in..dealing w/ intricacies[/quote]

Agreed but you make it sound like 10C was supposed to let you know before hand not to go thru LN and to me that is asking way to much from them ....

Sawyer · May 2011

josevolution wrote:

Sawyer wrote:

I really don't get how 10C let you down , they secured a good amount of tickets for the fan base you decided to go another route and score your own tickets the one's that screwd you as i see it are LN .

i cannot figure out how logical people do not see the 10 Club as 1/2 of this botched tandem.

I'm really sorry this happened to you believe me , but i just don't get what 10C was supposed to do in this matter for you ? tell you don't go and purchase tickets thru LN before our sale ? . you beat everybody to the punch by going that route as far as we know PJ management thought they had all their negotiations done proper and then some idiot at LN just didn't get the memo again you got screwd by LN ....i really hope it works out for you ...[/quote]

exactly..."thought". it needs to be set in stone....every minute detail...that's the business they're in..dealing w/ intricacies[/quote]

Agreed but you make it sound like 10C was supposed to let you know before hand not to go thru LN and to me that is asking way to much from them ....[/quote]

they should have never been available for purchase because 10 Club said, sorry, these are ours.

shep · May 2011

Sawyer wrote:

shep wrote:

Alright, so after reading all of this mess and going to the gym and thinking about it, here is my 2 cents on what has most likely happened here:

When the contract was worked out between Pearl Jam and Live Nation for the venue, Live Nation included a clause where existing season ticket holders got to keep their premium seats. As a result, Live Nation would issue 10C their allotment of tickets day of the show, at the number agreed to in the contract.

What has happened is that Live Nation didn't make a clause for any new Season Ticket sales in the contract. I would say this is what usually happens, and in the time period leading up to the show Live Nation gets a limited number of people calling in for new season tickets. I would say it's usually limited, so Live Nation taking an extra 10 or 15 seats right up front probably goes completely unnoticed by most bands, because their still getting their allotment of the tickets (or their cut of the sales).

So I think what has happened here is that Sawyer coming onto the forums and bragging about his ticket score brought this to the attention of 10C who have reacted justly, and are probably technically in the right, as Sawyer wasn't an existing season ticket hold when the contracts were all signed. So he has no one to blame for this clusterfuck but himself. Chances are if he hadn't of screamed about it here, 10C would have been none the wiser and Live Nation would have got away with cheating their own contracts, like usual. 10C still would have got its set number of tickets fine and dandy, just with an extra row or 2 in front.

So essentially this is the Live Nation's fault; however (and I hate to defend Live Nation, but right now it's going to happen), 10C should have been professional enough to let Live Nation deal with their mess first, and then post this information on the board. Usually in a situation like this you give someone some professional curtosy, however, we all know how 10C and Pearl Jam feel about LN/TM, so this wasn't afforded.

And let's be honest here, 10C's beef isn't over an extra row of seats between fan club members and the stage, it's about lost revenue. They could be the ones controlling the sale of these seats and making the money off them, not Live Nation, and that's what is driving this whole issue.

Just my 2 cents, don't shoot the messenger. I will bet though that Sawyer will now wind up with better seats than anyone in the venue.

thank you but I was not bragging...I was hoping to provide an opportunity to other members who do not want to be on the lawn and could afford that package. We shall see about my seats

Ok... whatever. That part is just semantics. It happened because you were "sharing" your information then. Either way you look at it, I still think you brought this whole clamity upon yourself.

Sawyer · May 2011

how will this be rectified Tim, SLH, Kat, Sea......those who agreed to this contract are getting absolutely screwed

Sawyer · May 2011

shep wrote:

Sawyer wrote:

shep wrote:

Alright, so after reading all of this mess and going to the gym and thinking about it, here is my 2 cents on what has most likely happened here:

When the contract was worked out between Pearl Jam and Live Nation for the venue, Live Nation included a clause where existing season ticket holders got to keep their premium seats. As a result, Live Nation would issue 10C their allotment of tickets day of the show, at the number agreed to in the contract.

What has happened is that Live Nation didn't make a clause for any new Season Ticket sales in the contract. I would say this is what usually happens, and in the time period leading up to the show Live Nation gets a limited number of people calling in for new season tickets. I would say it's usually limited, so Live Nation taking an extra 10 or 15 seats right up front probably goes completely unnoticed by most bands, because their still getting their allotment of the tickets (or their cut of the sales).

So I think what has happened here is that Sawyer coming onto the forums and bragging about his ticket score brought this to the attention of 10C who have reacted justly, and are probably technically in the right, as Sawyer wasn't an existing season ticket hold when the contracts were all signed. So he has no one to blame for this clusterfuck but himself. Chances are if he hadn't of screamed about it here, 10C would have been none the wiser and Live Nation would have got away with cheating their own contracts, like usual. 10C still would have got its set number of tickets fine and dandy, just with an extra row or 2 in front.

So essentially this is the Live Nation's fault; however (and I hate to defend Live Nation, but right now it's going to happen), 10C should have been professional enough to let Live Nation deal with their mess first, and then post this information on the board. Usually in a situation like this you give someone some professional curtosy, however, we all know how 10C and Pearl Jam feel about LN/TM, so this wasn't afforded.

And let's be honest here, 10C's beef isn't over an extra row of seats between fan club members and the stage, it's about lost revenue. They could be the ones controlling the sale of these seats and making the money off them, not Live Nation, and that's what is driving this whole issue.

Just my 2 cents, don't shoot the messenger. I will bet though that Sawyer will now wind up with better seats than anyone in the venue.

thank you but I was not bragging...I was hoping to provide an opportunity to other members who do not want to be on the lawn and could afford that package. We shall see about my seats

Ok... whatever. That part is just semantics. It happened because you were "sharing" your information then. Either way you look at it, I still think you brought this whole clamity upon yourself.

Thank God I did.....I would have gone to my seats and 81 would have been there too

Can you imagine of I did not post this and they double sold...I mean..can you...I should be getting 10 Club gift cards for this info

dimitrispearljam · May 2011

shep wrote:

10C should have been professional enough to let Live Nation deal with their mess first, and then post this information on the board. .

i think the opposite .10c did well cos let know sawyer and anyone else that already bought those ticketrs before 10c presales and livenation presales..now they have the option to buy 10c tickets and dont pay so much money for something the seller didnt have to sell in the first place

Season Ticket Sales Office Miscommunication for PJ20 Weekend

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