Canadian Conservative Party Supporters

polaris_x wrote:

RockinInCanada wrote:

He still is agreeing to increased health care funds to the provinces.

Did some more research on that guy I quoted above and I guess most Albertan Conservatives think that guy is crazy and even most right wing guys dismiss him as an utter wacko.

we shall see ... i don't expect harper to do a lot of this stuff publicly ... i suspect it will be done via these agencies and such ... he's already shown that he is more than prepared to withhold information so ... he can easily move this agenda without putting anything through the house ...

it's kind of ironic ... despite tripling his seats - the ndp are more useless now then when they were two days ago ...

I think a Harper majority was not expected...I think the NDP has a lot of work to do preparing their newly elected MPS, especially in Quebec where apparently some of the newly elected NDP MP's are not very fluent in French...hehehehe.

I don't think that this is a terrible outcome, for a variety of reasons. First, I think that Harper wants to be in charge, and thus won't do anything too insane about social policy, because he knows that he gets the boot in 2015 (?) if he tries. He's essentially said as much, according to the G&M site today. I know many of you don't trust him, and I'm with you on some topics for sure, but I think that the long term success of the CP is more important to him than a legacy of social conservatism. And if I'm wrong about this, at least we'll fix the mistake at first opportunity.

Second, I think that a 4-year stint in Opposition will help the NDP long-term. The Opposition is the government in waiting, and for them to be effective in that role they'll have to convince people that they can govern, and at least in part that means reasonable economics. They won 100+ seats because of the popularity of Layton, imo, not because 30% of the electorate believes they have any fiscal sense. The next four years is a great chance for them to figure out how to pay the bills; they've never had to face that possibility.

Third, we get a chance to see what Elizabeth May brings to the real show (good on her, surprises me but I like it).

Last, their abysmal performance will force the Liberals to realize that they can't take their position for granted. We won't be at the polls for four years (or whatever the date is) so they don't have to hurry back into election mode. This helps them, if they take the opportunity afforded by time. I have no idea who they'll choose (Justin Trudeau is an obvious pick, no idea if it's a good one but that's not my problem) but he or perhaps she (now that would be different) will have time to settle in and get things back on track. If the NDP and the Liberals get the next four years right then we have three options at the top, and that's a good situation for the country, imo.

Just thought I'd add a final two cents to the thread. I think that this dialogue has been good, and rather more respectful than other ones on this board. Cheers all.

bytterman wrote:

I don't think that this is a terrible outcome, for a variety of reasons. First, I think that Harper wants to be in charge, and thus won't do anything too insane about social policy, because he knows that he gets the boot in 2015 (?) if he tries. He's essentially said as much, according to the G&M site today. I know many of you don't trust him, and I'm with you on some topics for sure, but I think that the long term success of the CP is more important to him than a legacy of social conservatism. And if I'm wrong about this, at least we'll fix the mistake at first opportunity.

Second, I think that a 4-year stint in Opposition will help the NDP long-term. The Opposition is the government in waiting, and for them to be effective in that role they'll have to convince people that they can govern, and at least in part that means reasonable economics. They won 100+ seats because of the popularity of Layton, imo, not because 30% of the electorate believes they have any fiscal sense. The next four years is a great chance for them to figure out how to pay the bills; they've never had to face that possibility.

Third, we get a chance to see what Elizabeth May brings to the real show (good on her, surprises me but I like it).

Last, their abysmal performance will force the Liberals to realize that they can't take their position for granted. We won't be at the polls for four years (or whatever the date is) so they don't have to hurry back into election mode. This helps them, if they take the opportunity afforded by time. I have no idea who they'll choose (Justin Trudeau is an obvious pick, no idea if it's a good one but that's not my problem) but he or perhaps she (now that would be different) will have time to settle in and get things back on track. If the NDP and the Liberals get the next four years right then we have three options at the top, and that's a good situation for the country, imo.

Just thought I'd add a final two cents to the thread. I think that this dialogue has been good, and rather more respectful than other ones on this board. Cheers all.

sadly, i would have to disagree ... and i do hope to be wrong ...

similar to how george w. bush could be re-elected ... i think the conservatives can do whatever the heck they want and they will still form gov't as long as we have this current electoral system ... their contempt of parliament, misappropriation of funds to their friends, and lack of accountability should have been enough to derail any political party ... knowing that those things didn't do anything would lead me to believe that nothing will ...

the ndp are less powerful than they were two days ago ... with a harper majority - he doesn't need to answer to anyone ... let alone a party with opposite ideologies ... they are a lame duck opposition ...

the heart of canada is changing ... we must recognize that the social infrastructure that used to define us no longer permeates through everyone ... we are divided ... the only way to change the course that has already been set is to unite the centre/left ... or change the electoral system ...

the only way for a party outside of the conservatives to form gov't is for electoral reform or a merger ... all layton can do is try and hold harper accountable ...

as for the liberals and justin trudeau ... he said the right thing yesterday ... forget about who's leading ... the party has to look itself in the mirror and recognize the arrogance and entitlement issues it had ... they need to connect back with the people ...

As for the leadership of the Liberals...they need a real leadership race with multiple candidates and not another Ignatieff fiasco...I also heard Dominic Leblanc as a potential candidate...they do need someone younger, it might be long rebuilding process.

lukin2006 wrote:

Any of the analyst and experts don't seem to expect a merger...and I haven't heard any of the big parties talk about reform.

I don't see how a merger will help guarantee success...I would suspect blue liberals would permanently support the tories...the left in the ndp would shift to the green...

In the next election it may be even harder to defeat the conservatives...somewhere between 30-40 seats are being added in Ontario, Alberta and BC.

what I would rather see is laws in place that allow the RCMP to investigate corruption at all levels of politics that allows them to lay charges...and prosecute...then add stiff penalties and strip them of their pension and any other benefits...that will never happen.

To me it doesn't matter who's in charge anymore...their all corrupt...or become corrupt

Harper has said he will not touch health and he is going to honour the health accord...I think to most Canadians thats the big issue.

i think a merger would make a huge difference ... i see close to 61% of the population voting against a right wing ideology as opposed to a centre or left platform ... my preferred situation would be the right splits ... hard core right ... centre right ... have multiple parties and implement some kind of fair vote system ... that way parties ultimately will always be in a minority situation and have to work together ... i don't like a majority for anyone to be quite honest ...

like i've said - i think we'd all love accountability, transparency and integrity at gov't ... unfortunately, it's been a downward spiral for a long time now and it's not gonna get better ...

polaris_x wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

Any of the analyst and experts don't seem to expect a merger...and I haven't heard any of the big parties talk about reform.

I don't see how a merger will help guarantee success...I would suspect blue liberals would permanently support the tories...the left in the ndp would shift to the green...

In the next election it may be even harder to defeat the conservatives...somewhere between 30-40 seats are being added in Ontario, Alberta and BC.

what I would rather see is laws in place that allow the RCMP to investigate corruption at all levels of politics that allows them to lay charges...and prosecute...then add stiff penalties and strip them of their pension and any other benefits...that will never happen.

To me it doesn't matter who's in charge anymore...their all corrupt...or become corrupt

Harper has said he will not touch health and he is going to honour the health accord...I think to most Canadians thats the big issue.

i think a merger would make a huge difference ... i see close to 61% of the population voting against a right wing ideology as opposed to a centre or left platform ... my preferred situation would be the right splits ... hard core right ... centre right ... have multiple parties and implement some kind of fair vote system ... that way parties ultimately will always be in a minority situation and have to work together ... i don't like a majority for anyone to be quite honest ...

like i've said - i think we'd all love accountability, transparency and integrity at gov't ... unfortunately, it's been a downward spiral for a long time now and it's not gonna get better ...

It may...but there are a lot of blue liberals...just as there are a lot of very left leaning new democrats...I just don't see them merging...I also don't see another right wing party being formed at this time...only time will tell for any of this.

Theses things cycle around...for 13 years before this the liberals ran the country...now its the tories turn...my guess is sometime in the next 5-10 years the liberals will have rebuilt their party and will be challenging for government. If your looking for some socialistic utopia you'll probably never get that in Canada...just don't see that happening.

I'd stated before that I think the country is changed, I've seen it on a smaller scale here...people like me are getting tired of politicians thinking they they can always turn to the taxpayer every time they want to start some sort of program.

If Harper for the most part leaves my taxes alone...leaves health care alone...balances the books in the next 4 years I'll be satisfied.

Maybe we can revisit this thread in 4 years times to see how it all went...somehow for some I don't think it will matter anyways.

soon enough enough we'll be on to the provincial election...that'll be interesting!!!