I was a little upset when Jack left...early on I felt like Matt was ending some songs too early (live), but he is now (and has been for YEARS) in full control of the band behind his kit...
Dave Ab was sick nasty, his cymbal work was redonk, but....
I think Matt is an amazing drummer, especially with the stuff with Soundgarden. But when it comes to live, I think (especially with the older songs) he just doesn't hit the drums hard enough. That sounds a bit petty but I dunno, it makes the songs lose some of their energy.
Huh, I've never heard that before....personally I think he hits the SHIT out of his drums....he goes through several Vic's per show....
Just check out the Matt cam (which you probably have)....
His whole kit is rockin' pretty good for a majority (if not all) of the time.
Huh, I've never heard that before....personally I think he hits the SHIT out of his drums....he goes through several Vic's per show....
Just check out the Matt cam (which you probably have)....
His whole kit is rockin' pretty good for a majority (if not all) of the time.
I think he goes through several pairs because he drops his sticks lol. In my grand rapids dvd you can see him dropping a stick and picking another one up quickly. Also in the newcastle 06 boot you can clearly notice that he dropped his stick. I forgot what song it was, but you basically hear him playing on the ride, then he does a fill but when he gets back to playing on the ride all you hear is snare and bass. Quickly after that you hear the ride kick back in. Yes I pay alot of attention to his drumming.
edit: I'm listening to black and it just reminded me of something. Listen to black from bonnaroo, there is this one fill he does during the solo that gives me a boner everytime. He does this fill where it's flam(on snare), triplet, flam, triplet, flam, 2 hihat "chicks", bass, crash. Trust me, it sounds god like.
Grievance, the bit where he plays behind Ed's "champagne breakfast for everyone", should be enough to put this topic to bed. He drums with intensity, changes things and has a great range, he can cope with a huge catalogue of songs he didn't orignally drum on and sounds great.
It's similar to people slagging off Ringo, looking for a negative when there are only positives. Now, I'm no expert, but the stuff Ringo played on the White Album and beyond is amazing, but some people still knock it just because they have nothing better to do.
As for who is the best PJ drummer, who cares? I like all 8 albums whoever played on them.
I've always said Matt is the best fit for this band. He writes some great songs, and his style just suits the band more. Alot of people like Jack, but I felt like Jack was too heavy on the bass pedal, and tried alot of quick fills that at times could throw things off.
I believe most people like Dave Abbruzzese because they think he is on Ten and was there from the beginning. There is always confusion between Dave Abbruzzese and Dave Krusen.
Matt Cameron is the original drummer of Pearl Jam. Matt is the drummer on the tapes with Jeff and Stone. The tapes that had the music that inspired Eddie Vedder from which he wrote and sung the lyrics for Alive, Black, Once and Footsteps.
Matt Cameron is the drummer on Temple of the Dog.
Dave Krusen is the drummer on the Ten record.
Matt Chamberlain had a short stint with the band before they found Dave Abbruzzese.
I read in one the books on Pearl Jam that Dave Abbruzzese did not like Ed and actually asked Stone and Jeff to get rid of Ed, they could get another singer. Now I know it takes two and Ed wasn't easy on Dave A. either.
So it could have been Ed being the one asked to leave the band, and us having a thread that Ed was the best singer Pearl Jam ever had.
But I'd take Matt Cameron any day over any other drummer. And what is telling is that other bands and muscians would choose Matt Cameron.
So why do people hate on Matt, I think it's because they feel some kind of loyalty for Dave Abbruzzese thinking he was there from the beginning.
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So it could have been Ed being the one asked to leave the band, and us having a thread that Ed was the best singer Pearl Jam ever had.
Ya right. Are you being serious? I'm sure if Dave did ask them to off Ed, they told him to go fuck himself. That would be like someone in the Stones saying " Lets get rid of this Jagger character, okay guys" or a Led Zep member sayin " Plant's gotta go, he's worthless". Get rid of Vedder, funny stuff man, funny stuff.
Also comparing Dave to Matt is a tad bit asinine. Matt is kind of a legend folks.
Matt Cameron is the original drummer of Pearl Jam. Matt is the drummer on the tapes with Jeff and Stone. The tapes that had the music that inspired Eddie Vedder from which he wrote and sung the lyrics for Alive, Black, Once and Footsteps.
Chris Friel is also on those tapes.
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Jack is the best drummer PJ has had in terms of actual drumming and creativity in his parts. Matt is still a damn good drummer, and he has written some great songs in his time with the band, which is something you didn't get with Jack. Dave A... just too busy for a band like PJ.
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I'm dead serious. I recall I also read that Dave A also questioned how come Ed got a bigger percentage off the sale of the records and shit like that. Dave A.'s a funny guy.
It is too bad that he and Ed couldn't get along. One of them had to go. And in the end they came full circle back to Matt Cameron.
I also loved Jack...the Whale Song is one of my favorite all time Pearl Jam songs. In My Tree...
Ya right. Are you being serious? I'm sure if Dave did ask them to off Ed, they told him to go fuck himself. That would be like someone in the Stones saying " Lets get rid of this Jagger character, okay guys" or a Led Zep member sayin " Plant's gotta go, he's worthless". Get rid of Vedder, funny stuff man, funny stuff.
Also comparing Dave to Matt is a tad bit asinine. Matt is kind of a legend folks.
I don't understand he is a damn good drummer. I hate when I see comments on youtube like Matt is the worst drummer for PJ. Oh yeah? Im pretty sure if he sucked he wouldn't be in the band, he plays with a lot of intensity. Im glad to have him as the drummer.
Matt is mentioned throughout the drumming community. He's a legend just like Gene Kupra. There are not many drummers that other drummers find an inspiration from.
Matt deals with all kinds from rock to jazz. That is high in my books of incredible drummers.
Rock on Matt.
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I think as far as song writing and studio, Jack's got it. No other PJ drummer touches Matt on the tight live drumming though, in fact, not many drummers in the world touch matt on the live show. Granted, No Code and Yield were far better produced than anything that Matt Cameron has played on...Somebody said it on here before...O'brien+Cameron=Cream Dream.
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Can't say anything bad about any of the PJ drummers.Matt is awesome !!!
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As far as I'm concerned he was the original Pearl Jam drummer because he was with Temple of the Dog. There's nothing wrong with him at all and he's with PJ to stay, so bad luck to all those who can't go past Dave and Jack, they didn't have the longevity that Matt has.
I don't understand he is a damn good drummer. I hate when I see comments on youtube like Matt is the worst drummer for PJ. Oh yeah? Im pretty sure if he sucked he wouldn't be in the band, he plays with a lot of intensity. Im glad to have him as the drummer.
Did anybody see the shit Matt was pulling this tour? Just go back and listen to the boots, he was much more outgoing on the drums (sounded much more like '98). He is just now really making these songs his own.
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Nor have I....
I was a little upset when Jack left...early on I felt like Matt was ending some songs too early (live), but he is now (and has been for YEARS) in full control of the band behind his kit...
Dave Ab was sick nasty, his cymbal work was redonk, but....
Matt is God.
Huh, I've never heard that before....personally I think he hits the SHIT out of his drums....he goes through several Vic's per show....
Just check out the Matt cam (which you probably have)....
His whole kit is rockin' pretty good for a majority (if not all) of the time.
Best PJ drummer imo
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I think he goes through several pairs because he drops his sticks lol. In my grand rapids dvd you can see him dropping a stick and picking another one up quickly. Also in the newcastle 06 boot you can clearly notice that he dropped his stick. I forgot what song it was, but you basically hear him playing on the ride, then he does a fill but when he gets back to playing on the ride all you hear is snare and bass. Quickly after that you hear the ride kick back in. Yes I pay alot of attention to his drumming.
edit: I'm listening to black and it just reminded me of something. Listen to black from bonnaroo, there is this one fill he does during the solo that gives me a boner everytime. He does this fill where it's flam(on snare), triplet, flam, triplet, flam, 2 hihat "chicks", bass, crash. Trust me, it sounds god like.
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It's similar to people slagging off Ringo, looking for a negative when there are only positives. Now, I'm no expert, but the stuff Ringo played on the White Album and beyond is amazing, but some people still knock it just because they have nothing better to do.
As for who is the best PJ drummer, who cares? I like all 8 albums whoever played on them.
In my opinion, Matt is the best because he is not only a stellar drummer, but he is a song writer. Unemployable and In the Moonlight are sick.
It's hard to deny Dave A. though. He was a much more funky drummer and helped put PJ on everyone's map.
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It said "Life is nothing but a dream."
I've spent so many years in question
To find I'd known this all along.
Matt Cameron is the original drummer of Pearl Jam. Matt is the drummer on the tapes with Jeff and Stone. The tapes that had the music that inspired Eddie Vedder from which he wrote and sung the lyrics for Alive, Black, Once and Footsteps.
Matt Cameron is the drummer on Temple of the Dog.
Dave Krusen is the drummer on the Ten record.
Matt Chamberlain had a short stint with the band before they found Dave Abbruzzese.
I read in one the books on Pearl Jam that Dave Abbruzzese did not like Ed and actually asked Stone and Jeff to get rid of Ed, they could get another singer. Now I know it takes two and Ed wasn't easy on Dave A. either.
So it could have been Ed being the one asked to leave the band, and us having a thread that Ed was the best singer Pearl Jam ever had.
But I'd take Matt Cameron any day over any other drummer. And what is telling is that other bands and muscians would choose Matt Cameron.
So why do people hate on Matt, I think it's because they feel some kind of loyalty for Dave Abbruzzese thinking he was there from the beginning.
Ya right. Are you being serious? I'm sure if Dave did ask them to off Ed, they told him to go fuck himself. That would be like someone in the Stones saying " Lets get rid of this Jagger character, okay guys" or a Led Zep member sayin " Plant's gotta go, he's worthless". Get rid of Vedder, funny stuff man, funny stuff.
Also comparing Dave to Matt is a tad bit asinine. Matt is kind of a legend folks.
PS - I'm sure Dave A. comes on this board and reads this message board all the time. I'm sure his response to us would go something like this:
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=94508351&albumID=0&imageID=15476162
Dave's new band photo here:
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=94508351&albumID=0&imageID=15476173
lol.
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People rag on Matt's (awesome) songs all the time. Evacuation anyone?
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Fenway 2 (2016)
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Denver (2022)
Chris Friel is also on those tapes.
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It is too bad that he and Ed couldn't get along. One of them had to go. And in the end they came full circle back to Matt Cameron.
I also loved Jack...the Whale Song is one of my favorite all time Pearl Jam songs. In My Tree...
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Matt deals with all kinds from rock to jazz. That is high in my books of incredible drummers.
Rock on Matt.
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Did anybody see the shit Matt was pulling this tour? Just go back and listen to the boots, he was much more outgoing on the drums (sounded much more like '98). He is just now really making these songs his own.
I guess that makes Chris Cornell Pearl Jam's original vocalist.
If you hate something, don't you do it too