The Official Tour The Southern United States Thread

shep · April 2011

rhinomagic wrote:

I've not studied it, but I do believe their ground vehicles are fueled by bio-diesel whenever possible. Seems this was brought to the fore when they launched their zero carbon initiatives. It was about the same time they went cross-country in Canada and then to South America in '05.

Don't know if that helps or hurts the case, but it's there for consideration.

I've never heard the PJ camp play that card as a reason not to tour extensively through here anymore. I'd be interested to see if they have, but I take it as a guess on our part as to why we get avoided.

Mostly, I just think they've gone the way of so many artists that have hotbeds of fans and guaranteed paydays in certain areas. Why budge from those pillars of your business? Personally, I wouldn't make that huge departure from my norm if the business models didn't demand it.

Doesn't mean I don't want them to play closer to me. Just attempting to see it objectively.

.

I have a serious issue with bio-diesel versus regular hydrocarbons, which i stated a couple of pages back. The technology to refine bio-diesel from foodstuffs is not very efficient. Foodstuffs need to be used to feed starving people, not refined to make bio-friendly diesel. In my opinion, if you're using bio-diesel you're essentially saying that protecting the environment is more important than millions of starving people in Africa, and I have issues with that (however I recognize that most people won't agree with my logic). When the technology to make fuel from foodstuffs is more efficient, then yes, i will get behind it, but for now.... not a chance.

I also don't follow how you would consider major cities in the south to not be hotbeds. Several of PJ's contemporaries (by contemporaries I mean bands from the early 90's era) tour through here on every tour and clearly don't lose money on it, why else would they keep doing it? Metallica, Foo Fighters, RHCP, and Tool to name a few never skip the south, and do great "business" here....

(please don't take offense to the above, I'm just presenting the logical counter debate - I mean no ill will by it).

shep · April 2011

PLAY THE SOUTH everybody else is doing it!

LukinFan · April 2011

rhinomagic wrote:

I'm a bit concerned that we're seeing them on night 3 of a 4-night swing.

When we saw them on Halloween weekend in Atlanta, it was the final show of the tour (and a bit of a homecoming show, at that). I felt like they kinda went all-out for that one.

Hoping Sunday proves me wrong. I will enjoy myself immensely, even if they are a little road-weary.

.

Yeah, I was thinking the same, but I have a feeling that they'll bring it. Hey, it's a local show - can't get much better than that!

shep · April 2011

Randy Bo-bandy wrote:

PLAY THE SOUTH everybody else is doing it!

dgerlach720 · April 2011

miami/wpb and a little tampa por favor (and throw in some texas b/c they deserve it too)

elevation622 · April 2011

The best recorded Pearl Jam show I know about was recorded in Atlanta. Play The South!

rhinomagic · April 2011

Randy Bo-bandy wrote:

I have a serious issue with bio-diesel versus regular hydrocarbons, which i stated a couple of pages back. The technology to refine bio-diesel from foodstuffs is not very efficient. Foodstuffs need to be used to feed starving people, not refined to make bio-friendly diesel. In my opinion, if you're using bio-diesel you're essentially saying that protecting the environment is more important than millions of starving people in Africa, and I have issues with that (however I recognize that most people won't agree with my logic). When the technology to make fuel from foodstuffs is more efficient, then yes, i will get behind it, but for now.... not a chance.

I also don't follow how you would consider major cities in the south to not be hotbeds. Several of PJ's contemporaries (by contemporaries I mean bands from the early 90's era) tour through here on every tour and clearly don't lose money on it, why else would they keep doing it? Metallica, Foo Fighters, RHCP, and Tool to name a few never skip the south, and do great "business" here....

(please don't take offense to the above, I'm just presenting the logical counter debate - I mean no ill will by it).

I feel you there. As I said, I have not studied the efficiency of said alternative fuel. Only noting that I think they have attempted to use it. I would give credit for searching solutions outside of octane or jet fuel, but I'm sure each solution creates its own unique set of problems.

As for concentration of fanbase, I'm just not that convinced Ten Club members or rabid PJ fans are as easy to find in the Sun Belt as in the more heavily populated regions they seem to tour so often. This is only based on anecdotal evidence, but (besides our pal LukinFan) I never run into PJ fans in north Florida. Don't see stickers on cars, posts on message boards, t-shirts on backs. Maybe 10C could provide a distribution map of North America, showing concentration of fan club members as empirical data for us.

I just think they cast a wide net in the cities they normally play due to how many local 10C members are there (northeast, upper midwest, pacific coast) AND the willingness of the rest of us to travel there on occasion. Several thousand birds w/ one Stone, as it were.

.

shep · April 2011

rhinomagic wrote:

Randy Bo-bandy wrote:

I have a serious issue with bio-diesel versus regular hydrocarbons, which i stated a couple of pages back. The technology to refine bio-diesel from foodstuffs is not very efficient. Foodstuffs need to be used to feed starving people, not refined to make bio-friendly diesel. In my opinion, if you're using bio-diesel you're essentially saying that protecting the environment is more important than millions of starving people in Africa, and I have issues with that (however I recognize that most people won't agree with my logic). When the technology to make fuel from foodstuffs is more efficient, then yes, i will get behind it, but for now.... not a chance.

I also don't follow how you would consider major cities in the south to not be hotbeds. Several of PJ's contemporaries (by contemporaries I mean bands from the early 90's era) tour through here on every tour and clearly don't lose money on it, why else would they keep doing it? Metallica, Foo Fighters, RHCP, and Tool to name a few never skip the south, and do great "business" here....

(please don't take offense to the above, I'm just presenting the logical counter debate - I mean no ill will by it).

I feel you there. As I said, I have not studied the efficiency of said alternative fuel. Only noting that I think they have attempted to use it. I would give credit for searching solutions outside of octane or jet fuel, but I'm sure each solution creates its own unique set of problems.

As for concentration of fanbase, I'm just not that convinced Ten Club members or rabid PJ fans are as easy to find in the Sun Belt as in the more heavily populated regions they seem to tour so often. This is only based on anecdotal evidence, but (besides our pal LukinFan) I never run into PJ fans in north Florida. Don't see stickers on cars, posts on message boards, t-shirts on backs. Maybe 10C could provide a distribution map of North America, showing concentration of fan club members as empirical data for us.

I just think they cast a wide net in the cities they normally play due to how many local 10C members are there (northeast, upper midwest, pacific coast) AND the willingness of the rest of us to travel there on occasion. Several thousand birds w/ one Stone, as it were.

.

It would be very interesting to see the distribution of 10C members on a map.... I would venture to guess you're right, the highest concentration is in the northeast united states, but if there is a lack of members in the south I would say that it as a result of the band not touring the south. Most people I know as a whole down here are frugal with they're money. They're not going to pay membership fees year after year if there's no tour... cause let's face it, most people only join clubs like this for tickets.

I would say that it's probably a deliberate result of PJ's touring schedule over the previous 10 years that would show a skew in the distribution..... because I can gaurentee you if pearl jam played Houston, TX, they would have absolutely no problem to sell out either the Toyota Center or The Woodlands pavillion (both around 18,000 people), regardless of how many 10C members show up.

LukinFan · April 2011

Citizen Zack · April 2011

because I can gaurentee you if pearl jam played Houston, TX, they would have absolutely no problem to sell out either the Toyota Center or The Woodlands pavillion (both around 18,000 people), regardless of how many 10C members show up.

Exactly, just like they did in 2000 and 2003 right before they mysteriously stopped coming down here. I don't buy the argument that there aren't enough fans/club members down here to warrant any shows. All 3 Texas shows in 2003 were packed and intense. Hell, they played Lubbock in 2000 and that place is quite literally in the middle of nowhere. Their only return to this state since 2003 was Austin City Limits in '09 and there were 75,000 people in ankle deep mud screaming like crazy for them. It's not a lack of demand. Sure, there's a bigger concentration of fans in the northeast, but how does that justify completely ignoring huge numbers of fans in many of the southern regions for the better part of a decade? It's just strange, for lack of a better word.

shep · April 2011

Citizen Zack wrote:

because I can gaurentee you if pearl jam played Houston, TX, they would have absolutely no problem to sell out either the Toyota Center or The Woodlands pavillion (both around 18,000 people), regardless of how many 10C members show up.

Exactly, just like they did in 2000 and 2003 right before they mysteriously stopped coming down here. I don't buy the argument that there aren't enough fans/club members down here to warrant any shows. All 3 Texas shows in 2003 were packed and intense. Hell, they played Lubbock in 2000 and that place is quite literally in the middle of nowhere. Their only return to this state since 2003 was Austin City Limits in '09 and there were 75,000 people in ankle deep mud screaming like crazy for them. It's not a lack of demand. Sure, there's a bigger concentration of fans in the northeast, but how does that justify completely ignoring huge numbers of fans in many of the southern regions for the better part of a decade? It's just strange, for lack of a better word.

And don't kid yourself, ACL wasn't about the fans, if it was they would have done more shows in Texas before or since.... Austin was about the opportunity to advertise backspacer to the national market (via the ACL taping) while getting paid a shit-ton of money to play for 2 hours on Sunday night.

EmBleve · April 2011

Randy Bo-bandy wrote:

And don't kid yourself, ACL wasn't about the fans, if it was they would have done more shows in Texas before or since.... Austin was about the opportunity to advertise backspacer to the national market (via the ACL taping) while getting paid a shit-ton of money to play for 2 hours on Sunday night.

I thought it was about them just getting to be on the historical ACL.

But, yeah, even if they have a larger fan base in the northeast, they should spread the love and not do craploads of shows up there within a relatively small radius and instead spread the shows out while they're on this side of the country.

release23420 · April 2011

Citizen Zack wrote:

because I can gaurentee you if pearl jam played Houston, TX, they would have absolutely no problem to sell out either the Toyota Center or The Woodlands pavillion (both around 18,000 people), regardless of how many 10C members show up.

NO PEARL JAM, DO NOT PLAY EITHER OF THESE VENUES PLAY A PARK OR AN EMPTY FIELD HOUSTON HAS PLENTY OF THEM DON'T EVER PLAY THA WOODLANDS N AGAIN ITS THE WORSE VENUE IN THE COUNTRY

but PLAY THE SOUTH AN ANYWHERE IN HOUSTON BUT THE WOODLANDS

Citizen Zack · April 2011

release23420 wrote:

Citizen Zack wrote:

because I can gaurentee you if pearl jam played Houston, TX, they would have absolutely no problem to sell out either the Toyota Center or The Woodlands pavillion (both around 18,000 people), regardless of how many 10C members show up.

NO PEARL JAM, DO NOT PLAY EITHER OF THESE VENUES PLAY A PARK OR AN EMPTY FIELD HOUSTON HAS PLENTY OF THEM DON'T EVER PLAY THA WOODLANDS N AGAIN ITS THE WORSE VENUE IN THE COUNTRY

but PLAY THE SOUTH AN ANYWHERE IN HOUSTON BUT THE WOODLANDS

Why be picky? I had a great time at the Woodlands. I really hope they come play there. Or anywhere in Houston. Not going to be selective about the venue. I just want to see them.

ozarkcoolchic · April 2011

There is currently a "Play The South" campaign in the works for EV's solo show in St Louis. I'll fill everyone in when all of the details are worked out!

justam · April 2011

ozarkcoolchic wrote:

There is currently a "Play The South" campaign in the works for EV's solo show in St Louis. I'll fill everyone in when all of the details are worked out!

I think this is a great idea.

LukinFan · April 2011

ozarkcoolchic wrote:

There is currently a "Play The South" campaign in the works for EV's solo show in St Louis. I'll fill everyone in when all of the details are worked out!

sweet!

shep · April 2011

release23420 wrote:

Citizen Zack wrote:

because I can gaurentee you if pearl jam played Houston, TX, they would have absolutely no problem to sell out either the Toyota Center or The Woodlands pavillion (both around 18,000 people), regardless of how many 10C members show up.

NO PEARL JAM, DO NOT PLAY EITHER OF THESE VENUES PLAY A PARK OR AN EMPTY FIELD HOUSTON HAS PLENTY OF THEM DON'T EVER PLAY THA WOODLANDS N AGAIN ITS THE WORSE VENUE IN THE COUNTRY

but PLAY THE SOUTH AN ANYWHERE IN HOUSTON BUT THE WOODLANDS

I won't argue with you on that point.... The Woodlands is a terrible venue, I hate going out there... it's in the middle of nowhere, 40 minutes outside of houston, and the sound is absolutely terrible.... but at this point, I'll take it....

much rather have them play at Toyota..... it's only a $7 cab ride from my front door

shep · April 2011

ozarkcoolchic wrote:

There is currently a "Play The South" campaign in the works for EV's solo show in St Louis. I'll fill everyone in when all of the details are worked out!

sounds awesome!

its just gish · April 2011

LukinFan wrote:

ozarkcoolchic wrote:

There is currently a "Play The South" campaign in the works for EV's solo show in St Louis. I'll fill everyone in when all of the details are worked out!

sweet!

I'm still on my amazon hunt! Trying to see which battery operated lights are the least bulky..

The Official Tour The Southern United States Thread

Comments

Categories

**The Official Tour The Southern United States Thread**

Comments

Categories

The Official Tour The Southern United States Thread