No matter what system you use, there will be issues. Posting non-DRM MP3s is pretty much the simplest thing you can do. But people still manage to have issues. However, the downloads are direct from Pearl Jam this time so it's an inside job, no third-party organization. Just Pearl Jam's DIY stance. Even if it's not perfect, I am glad they make the extra effort and do it themselves.
what's the deal, that system was amazing they had, new ones don't even compare in my view.
believe it or not, Basecamp bootlegs were no longer cost-effective,...
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
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I'm starting to fear there won't be any bootlegs for much longer ...
because people are bitching? they've sold over 3 million bootlegs. they're not going to stop now because people have complaints. hell, most of these people who are complaining bought at least 3 boots anyway. what they will probably do is really note the criticisms and do a better job next time.
and this is coming from a guy who doesn't really mind the 2008 boot quality. I still vividly remember the day I found the Dissident single and almost shit my pants. LIVE PEARL JAM SONGS?!?!?! I couldn't believe it. I'm all for these official bootlegs...even if they don't sound as good as the US leg of the 2000 tour.
because people are bitching? they've sold over 3 million bootlegs. they're not going to stop now because people have complaints. hell, most of these people who are complaining bought at least 3 boots anyway. what they will probably do is really note the criticisms and do a better job next time.
Because they don't make much money off of them. Because they seem to be a bigger pain in the ass than they're worth. Because they already went a whole tour without them (2007).
I don't think they really *want* to do them anymore. It certainly isn't a business decision. I think they do them as a favor to the fans, so we can have a keepsake of the shows we've attended.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Because they don't make much money off of them. Because they seem to be a bigger pain in the ass than they're worth. Because they already went a whole tour without them (2007).
I don't think they really *want* to do them anymore. It certainly isn't a business decision. I think they do them as a favor to the fans, so we can have a keepsake of the shows we've attended.
how don't they make much money off them? if anything I would think the band would make more from a selling a $14 flac of their website than selling a $16 album in a retail store. I doubt their record company gets royalties from bootleg sales. Maybe Epic did the with the 2000 boots because they were real live albums.
I personally think they totally want to keep doing them and it is a business decision. a keepsake from the we've shows attended? yeah, that sounds really nice, but I doubt that's the intention. maybe it was a couple years ago. but this nickel and dime operation they're running this year (poor mixing/mastering, CDR for physical boots, people buying one show but getting the wrong discs sent to them) show that they know we'll keep buying them even if they suck so they don't have to take it seriously. take JWBusher for example. I've seen him complaining about this years boots in dozens of threads. yet he still bought them and will continue to buy them.
Because they don't make much money off of them. Because they seem to be a bigger pain in the ass than they're worth. Because they already went a whole tour without them (2007).
I don't think they really *want* to do them anymore. It certainly isn't a business decision. I think they do them as a favor to the fans, so we can have a keepsake of the shows we've attended.
Have you seen their accounting books? Do you know how much they make on them? None of us have. How could you or any of us know how much of a pain in the ass it is or isn't?
And finally, what makes you think they don't want to do them anymore? If it was a favor, it would be free. We pay for them so no favors.
Because they don't make much money off of them. Because they seem to be a bigger pain in the ass than they're worth. Because they already went a whole tour without them (2007).
I don't think they really *want* to do them anymore. It certainly isn't a business decision. I think they do them as a favor to the fans, so we can have a keepsake of the shows we've attended.
If that were the case they wouldn't even sell them.They would just leave it how it always has been. Fans record, fans trade...
Very disappointed with the quality of the new boots.. Specially feel bad for the people who paid good money. Tis why i decided to hold out for the crowd recording which will be much better IMO.
Have you seen their accounting books? Do you know how much they make on them? None of us have. How could you or any of us know how much of a pain in the ass it is or isn't?
And finally, what makes you think they don't want to do them anymore? If it was a favor, it would be free. We pay for them so no favors.
Call it an educated guess. I don't claim to have all the answers. Just a guess.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
If that were the case they wouldn't even sell them.They would just leave it how it always has been. Fans record, fans trade...
They still can. What's stopping you?
Very disappointed with the quality of the new boots.. Specially feel bad for the people who paid good money. Tis why i decided to hold out for the crowd recording which will be much better IMO.
Don't feel bad for me. I think the 'Roo boot sounds fucking awesome. Better than any of the boots I used to pay $50 for back in the day.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
One thing that's always got me scratching my head was the "From the Vault" they released from basecamp of that old Las Vegas show..they said more were to follow but that never happened...
The only thing I love more then a new boot from 10c is a really old one...
obviously an issue, but coming from the recording industry it's not to costly to mix a live show in real time, and have it mastered, the equipment is a little extra cost, but when your making over half million a show, I doubt bootlegs are a pain in the ass, there's professionals that get it done with ease for them. nonetheless basecamp did it the best, I'm just baffled by the change. hopefully some ed vedder's bootlegs for east coast
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it's the 10c way!
25 May 2005
The Canadian Press
EVERYONE complained about this or that. Either basecamp went running or they were shown the door.
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But his heart don't seem to roam......
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believe it or not, Basecamp bootlegs were no longer cost-effective,...
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
I'm starting to fear there won't be any bootlegs for much longer ...
for the least they could possibly do
because people are bitching? they've sold over 3 million bootlegs. they're not going to stop now because people have complaints. hell, most of these people who are complaining bought at least 3 boots anyway. what they will probably do is really note the criticisms and do a better job next time.
and this is coming from a guy who doesn't really mind the 2008 boot quality. I still vividly remember the day I found the Dissident single and almost shit my pants. LIVE PEARL JAM SONGS?!?!?! I couldn't believe it. I'm all for these official bootlegs...even if they don't sound as good as the US leg of the 2000 tour.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
Because they don't make much money off of them. Because they seem to be a bigger pain in the ass than they're worth. Because they already went a whole tour without them (2007).
I don't think they really *want* to do them anymore. It certainly isn't a business decision. I think they do them as a favor to the fans, so we can have a keepsake of the shows we've attended.
for the least they could possibly do
how don't they make much money off them? if anything I would think the band would make more from a selling a $14 flac of their website than selling a $16 album in a retail store. I doubt their record company gets royalties from bootleg sales. Maybe Epic did the with the 2000 boots because they were real live albums.
I personally think they totally want to keep doing them and it is a business decision. a keepsake from the we've shows attended? yeah, that sounds really nice, but I doubt that's the intention. maybe it was a couple years ago. but this nickel and dime operation they're running this year (poor mixing/mastering, CDR for physical boots, people buying one show but getting the wrong discs sent to them) show that they know we'll keep buying them even if they suck so they don't have to take it seriously. take JWBusher for example. I've seen him complaining about this years boots in dozens of threads. yet he still bought them and will continue to buy them.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
Have you seen their accounting books? Do you know how much they make on them? None of us have. How could you or any of us know how much of a pain in the ass it is or isn't?
And finally, what makes you think they don't want to do them anymore? If it was a favor, it would be free. We pay for them so no favors.
If that were the case they wouldn't even sell them.They would just leave it how it always has been. Fans record, fans trade...
Very disappointed with the quality of the new boots.. Specially feel bad for the people who paid good money. Tis why i decided to hold out for the crowd recording which will be much better IMO.
Call it an educated guess. I don't claim to have all the answers. Just a guess.
for the least they could possibly do
They still can. What's stopping you?
Don't feel bad for me. I think the 'Roo boot sounds fucking awesome. Better than any of the boots I used to pay $50 for back in the day.
for the least they could possibly do
The only thing I love more then a new boot from 10c is a really old one...