NEW RADIOHEAD ALBUM!!!!!!!!

Digital Twilight · March 2011

Tiki Barber wrote:

musicismylife - i can't understand why you are so passionate in your anger with the major labels. it seems aparant that you have many indie label bands that you listen to who do things exactly how you think they should. you are also obviously very capable of illegally downloading music on the web for free, and you seem to take advantage of that. why not just buy albums from these labels you support, and stick it to the rest by exercising your ability to download for free on the web...

because its FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and that out ranks any morality.

tremors · March 2011

Digital Twilight wrote:

Tiki Barber wrote:

musicismylife - i can't understand why you are so passionate in your anger with the major labels. it seems aparant that you have many indie label bands that you listen to who do things exactly how you think they should. you are also obviously very capable of illegally downloading music on the web for free, and you seem to take advantage of that. why not just buy albums from these labels you support, and stick it to the rest by exercising your ability to download for free on the web...

because its FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and that out ranks any morality.

The labels were far too slow, greedy and protective in the early days of legal downloads - and now they are paying for the consequences. Since Last FM and Spotify got their more progressive streaming models sorted out, music piracy has been plummeting, and is actually far far lower now than it was in the heyday. In the meantime though the music industry has been ruined. People are not interested in 'stealing' music, they just want a competitive product and to not be ripped off - and now there are better models, they are tending to those.

Digital Twilight · March 2011

tremors wrote:

Digital Twilight wrote:

Tiki Barber wrote:

musicismylife - i can't understand why you are so passionate in your anger with the major labels. it seems aparant that you have many indie label bands that you listen to who do things exactly how you think they should. you are also obviously very capable of illegally downloading music on the web for free, and you seem to take advantage of that. why not just buy albums from these labels you support, and stick it to the rest by exercising your ability to download for free on the web...

because its FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and that out ranks any morality.

The labels were far too slow, greedy and protective in the early days of legal downloads - and now they are paying for the consequences. Since Last FM and Spotify got their more progressive streaming models sorted out, music piracy has been plummeting, and is actually far far lower now than it was in the heyday. In the meantime though the music industry has been ruined. People are not interested in 'stealing' music, they just want a competitive product and to not be ripped off - and now there are better models, they are tending to those.

I think the point was why doesn't he buy from the indie labels he supports and just download from the major ones that he thinks are greed ect instead of just downloading everything.

I agree with your points except do you have a source for the decline in software piracy? I haven't heard anything about it. I love Last.FM and Spotify seems pretty cool but better streaming quality is needed for this method (prob need a better broadband infrastructure in the UK to go with this)

tremors · March 2011

Digital Twilight wrote:

tremors wrote:

Digital Twilight wrote:

because its FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and that out ranks any morality.

The labels were far too slow, greedy and protective in the early days of legal downloads - and now they are paying for the consequences. Since Last FM and Spotify got their more progressive streaming models sorted out, music piracy has been plummeting, and is actually far far lower now than it was in the heyday. In the meantime though the music industry has been ruined. People are not interested in 'stealing' music, they just want a competitive product and to not be ripped off - and now there are better models, they are tending to those.

I think the point was why doesn't he buy from the indie labels he supports and just download from the major ones that he thinks are greed ect instead of just downloading everything.

I agree with your points except do you have a source for the decline in software piracy? I haven't heard anything about it. I love Last.FM and Spotify seems pretty cool but better streaming quality is needed for this method (prob need a better broadband infrastructure in the UK to go with this)

Here's the latest article I saw on the subject:

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/201 ... iracy-ends

I will try and find one I read a number of months ago about the massive impact on piracy figures just LastFM and Spotify had made on their own - it was pretty dramatic

Digital Twilight · March 2011

tremors wrote:

Here's the latest article I saw on the subject:

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/201 ... iracy-ends

I will try and find one I read a number of months ago about the massive impact on piracy figures just LastFM and Spotify had made on their own - it was pretty dramatic

Cheers :thumbup:

tcaporale · March 2011

It will be interesting to see how Spotify affects illegal downloading when and if it reaches the States.

tremors · March 2011

tcaporale wrote:

It will be interesting to see how Spotify affects illegal downloading when and if it reaches the States.

I think it's a really good model - the catalogue is immense, the quality is great, it doesn't clog up your hard disc, artists get paid, listeners get 'on demand' music whenever they get the urge. I had it on my last smartphone and it was fantastic, you could load up tunes before leaving the house from your wi fi so streaming wasn't an issue. Spotify mobile is the main thing I miss with my blackberry. I really hope it comes out. I think it will be really successful in the states. I know there have been problems with negotiations, but I don't know where it's got to currently. Spotify streams much better for me than Last FM which is a bit crap in a number of ways

Digital Twilight · March 2011

tremors wrote:

tcaporale wrote:

It will be interesting to see how Spotify affects illegal downloading when and if it reaches the States.

I think it's a really good model - the catalogue is immense, the quality is great, it doesn't clog up your hard disc, artists get paid, listeners get 'on demand' music whenever they get the urge. I had it on my last smartphone and it was fantastic, you could load up tunes before leaving the house from your wi fi so streaming wasn't an issue. Spotify mobile is the main thing I miss with my blackberry. I really hope it comes out. I think it will be really successful in the states. I know there have been problems with negotiations, but I don't know where it's got to currently. Spotify streams much better for me than Last FM which is a bit crap in a number of ways

There has been some issues with artists getting their dues with spotify. It makes a lot of money for Swedish artists apparantley. I think stream quality is 256kps for free users but 320kps for premium users I think. The interface isn't fantastic but I quite like it. £9.99 a month to listen to all the music I want, anywhere I want (No software to download) is pretty good really. Then I can just buy the music I want for my ipod ect.

Streaming at cd quality is the big issue for the future.

Spotify is due to be released in the US this year I believe.

musicismylife78 · March 2011

as ive said there are a million ways to support a band. i support bands i like by going to see them in shows, and wearing their merch. i rarely wear any shirts besides band shirts. i also rave about bands i like on here and with my friends and with people in real life. i am just as passionate about music and art in real life, as i am on here. i talk about it constantly with everyone. if i meet someone new i could care less what their job is, or what they do. im into finding out what they listen to, their favorite films, favorite books etc...

i also am not rich. i'd rather spend my money on stuff i cant get for free. like band shirts and merch, concert tickets, etc... than spend my cash on stuff that can be found for free.

musicismylife78 · March 2011

The labels were far too slow, greedy and protective in the early days of legal downloads - and now they are paying for the consequences. Since Last FM and Spotify got their more progressive streaming models sorted out, music piracy has been plummeting, and is actually far far lower now than it was in the heyday. In the meantime though the music industry has been ruined. People are not interested in 'stealing' music, they just want a competitive product and to not be ripped off - and now there are better models, they are tending to those.[/quote]

I think the point was why doesn't he buy from the indie labels he supports and just download from the major ones that he thinks are greed ect instead of just downloading everything.

I agree with your points except do you have a source for the decline in software piracy? I haven't heard anything about it. I love Last.FM and Spotify seems pretty cool but better streaming quality is needed for this method (prob need a better broadband infrastructure in the UK to go with this)[/quote]

Here's the latest article I saw on the subject:

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/201 ... iracy-ends

I will try and find one I read a number of months ago about the massive impact on piracy figures just LastFM and Spotify had made on their own - it was pretty dramatic[/quote]

i will read that article but that sounds dubious to me. so a streaming site, stops people from wanting to obtain and have the actual mp3 files? Plus in 1999 the internet was becoming what it is now. Not many people were on napster because the internet was still not in every household. in 2011, almost everyone has the internet and a computer. its like telephones and cellphones. everyone has one. so i find it hard to believe in 2011, maybe a hundred million new people havent started downloading since 1999. makes little sense really

tremors · March 2011

musicismylife78 wrote:

i will read that article but that sounds dubious to me. so a streaming site, stops people from wanting to obtain and have the actual mp3 files? Plus in 1999 the internet was becoming what it is now. Not many people were on napster because the internet was still not in every household. in 2011, almost everyone has the internet and a computer. its like telephones and cellphones. everyone has one. so i find it hard to believe in 2011, maybe a hundred million new people havent started downloading since 1999. makes little sense really

There seems to be a lot of conflicting information going about - claims and counter claims from different interested parties. I have no way of knowing - I have just been picking up quite a few signs that the state of illegal downloading vs the industry isn't quite what the big labels and their reps claim it to be. I can't find the article I read last year which gave figures for decline in piracy which followed certain introductions by Spotify and Last FM (two majr players on the free streaming market)

In looking for it though, I came across quite a few articles saying that there are certain parts of the music industry's argument that don't stand up - eg - illegal downloads = lost sales - when it is often not so simple, people download, then buy, etc etc etc.

Coming back to Radiohead - In Rainbows is a good example of how thinking outside the box and being ahead of the curve of what consumers want and expect can still make you money. How much money did Radiohead end up making from In Rainbows? A hell of a lot! A hell of a lot of people bought it, having already had the free download.....

Newch91 · March 2011

tremors wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

i will read that article but that sounds dubious to me. so a streaming site, stops people from wanting to obtain and have the actual mp3 files? Plus in 1999 the internet was becoming what it is now. Not many people were on napster because the internet was still not in every household. in 2011, almost everyone has the internet and a computer. its like telephones and cellphones. everyone has one. so i find it hard to believe in 2011, maybe a hundred million new people havent started downloading since 1999. makes little sense really

There seems to be a lot of conflicting information going about - claims and counter claims from different interested parties. I have no way of knowing - I have just been picking up quite a few signs that the state of illegal downloading vs the industry isn't quite what the big labels and their reps claim it to be. I can't find the article I read last year which gave figures for decline in piracy which followed certain introductions by Spotify and Last FM (two majr players on the free streaming market)

In looking for it though, I came across quite a few articles saying that there are certain parts of the music industry's argument that don't stand up - eg - illegal downloads = lost sales - when it is often not so simple, people download, then buy, etc etc etc.

Coming back to Radiohead - In Rainbows is a good example of how thinking outside the box and being ahead of the curve of what consumers want and expect can still make you money. How much money did Radiohead end up making from In Rainbows? A hell of a lot! A hell of a lot of people bought it, having already had the free download.....

Not going to lie Tremors...I'm one of those people that download and then buy.

twisted thoughts · March 2011

tcaporale wrote:

Not to derail the convo, but Jonny Greenwood gave an interview that suggests that there actually might be more music to come: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 33414.html

Inevitably, though, the conversation turns to Radiohead's new album, their first since 2007's In Rainbows shocked the music industry when fans were invited to choose their own download price. It should be pointed out that our conversation takes place well before the rushed release last month of The King of Limbs. "There are more than 10 [songs]," he answers. "To me, it sounds like they're all 99 per cent finished. But my quality level is a little bit lower than everybody else's. I'm impatient, childish. But the others are like, 'No, this is nearly right. Let's get this right.' And looking at our old albums, they've been right in the past. They're probably right now."

Announced on a Monday, due on the following Saturday, pulled forward to the Friday – the arrival of the band's eighth studio LP caught everyone by surprise. In the end, there weren't "more than 10" songs – just eight – fuelling internet chat that a follow-up is fast approaching. Though when is anyone's guess; since the download-it-for-£6 release, every band member has remained tight-lipped (including Greenwood, who declined to answer any follow-up questions about The King of Limbs for this feature).

wow. we are still talking about Radiohead's new album here

Johnny Abruzzo · March 2011

I got lost in this thread - seemed like a circular argument the last 8 pages or so.

Here's what I learned:

There is an actual website called Brooklyn Vegan. I would've thought this was a parody considering the ever-so-pretentious name.

MusicIsMyLife doesn't like anyone's taste on Other Music. So, if you think there should be a thread on the new James Blake album, why don't you start one? Enlighten all of us closed-minded people who listen to nothing but Pearl Jam & Nickelback.

Lotus Flower is always on XMRadio and I am not the least bit interested in it after repeat listens. I find Just Breathe to be more interesting. :? (and yes, I am VERY SICK of Just Breathe)

twisted thoughts · March 2011

so.....
Radiohead not as relevant as the Beatles, eh??
http://www.ateaseweb.com/2011/03/07/radioheads-the-king-of-limbs-last-fm-chart-domination/

The charts dont lie. #WINNING

Music For Rhinos · March 2011

Radiohead has a new album out?

TouringFan2000 · March 2011

just finished second listen. a total bore. this band used to take us somewhere new with every record. this is a rehash of old material. i think the noises in thom's head have been given enough attention. i'd like to hear the band collaborate again. (maybe that last bit is unfair. just what i'm reckoning.)

SVRDhand13 · March 2011

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

There is an actual website called Brooklyn Vegan. I would've thought this was a parody considering the ever-so-pretentious name.

BV is easily the best music blog I have ever seen. Thanks to it I have got to see several secret shows and got several passwords for presales. The site is updated faster (and more accurately) than any other site I know of.

mfc2006 · March 2011

i like the album.

twisted thoughts · March 2011

mfc2006 wrote:

i like the album.

:thumbup: :wave:

NEW RADIOHEAD ALBUM!!!!!!!!

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