Tobacco displays to be banned from shops

nuffingman · March 2011

Tobacco displays in shops will be banned in England as part of a package of measures to discourage smoking.

Instead, cigarettes and other products will have to be kept under-the-counter from 2012 for large stores and 2015 for small shops, ministers have announced.

I've no problem with this. I admit I like a cigar now and again always smoked in the garden so nobody can complain about second hand smoke. I just laugh at the narrow mindedness of it all. According to figures available, and I admit they seem to differ wherever you look the NHS spends more on obesity and more on alcohol related health problems than it does on smoking related problems. Where though are the "alcohol can kill" labels on alcohol bottles, or fast food packaging. Smoking adverts are banned but the alcohol adverts still keep rolling along.

I think we've become so conditioned to the evils of the dreaded ciggy preaching that it's probably a better vote earner.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12680815

BinauralJam · March 2011

nuffingman wrote:

I think we've become so conditioned to the evils of the dreaded ciggy preaching that it's probably a better vote earner.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12680815

i think you nailed it.

mikepegg44 · March 2011

nuffingman wrote:

Tobacco displays in shops will be banned in England as part of a package of measures to discourage smoking.

Instead, cigarettes and other products will have to be kept under-the-counter from 2012 for large stores and 2015 for small shops, ministers have announced.

I've no problem with this. I admit I like a cigar now and again always smoked in the garden so nobody can complain about second hand smoke. I just laugh at the narrow mindedness of it all. According to figures available, and I admit they seem to differ wherever you look the NHS spends more on obesity and more on alcohol related health problems than it does on smoking related problems. Where though are the "alcohol can kill" labels on alcohol bottles, or fast food packaging. Smoking adverts are banned but the alcohol adverts still keep rolling along.

I think we've become so conditioned to the evils of the dreaded ciggy preaching that it's probably a better vote earner.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12680815

I wish that politicians anywhere would grow the balls to just make it illegal to smoke. Seriously, they keep putting all these regulations out there...wouldn't it just be easier to prohibit smoking?

loadedgun · March 2011

mikepegg44 wrote:

I wish that politicians anywhere would grow the balls to just make it illegal to smoke. Seriously, they keep putting all these regulations out there...wouldn't it just be easier to prohibit smoking?

This should be done, but it never will.

Or, people could just be smart enough not so smoke.

nuffingman · March 2011

mikepegg44 wrote:

I wish that politicians anywhere would grow the balls to just make it illegal to smoke. Seriously, they keep putting all these regulations out there...wouldn't it just be easier to prohibit smoking?

Ah! but think of the lost tax revenue.

bennett13 · March 2011

Ban smoking outright? Really? Maybe next we should outlaw donuts...or Twinkies....or Oreos....or rock concerts for that matter (they do get awfully loud and could damage your hearing). Or how about this novel idea: We let people make their own decisions about how to live their lives. Of course, the catch is that they have to live with the consequences of those decisions. It's a little thing I like to call freedom.

brandon10 · March 2011

bennett13 wrote:

Ban smoking outright? Really? Maybe next we should outlaw donuts...or Twinkies....or Oreos....or rock concerts for that matter (they do get awfully loud and could damage your hearing). Or how about this novel idea: We let people make their own decisions about how to live their lives. Of course, the catch is that they have to live with the consequences of those decisions. It's a little thing I like to call freedom.

I sure would have liked to have freedom from all the second hand smoke I endured as a child.

I sure would love to have freedom from the lung issues I deal with now.

One's freedom is another's death sentence.

bennett13 · March 2011

So ban smoking around children. There are plenty of things that can be reasonably regulated without being banned outright. I think marijuana should be legal, but not smoking it around children. There is a happy medium that can be reached to preserve liberty and at the same time protecting people from the idiotic actions of others.

catefrances · March 2011

weve banned all tobacco advertising at point of sale here in oz.

im thinking about taking up swinging a spiked ball on a chain around my head. i know it might hurt some people near me... but whatever... i like it and they can stand somewhere else. 8-)

tinkerbell · March 2011

It is about to be banned here in NZ too. I think the huge taxes on tobacco are more likely to discourage people from smoking rather than displays. Since I quit 7 years ago the cost has risen by $5 a pack and our government has said that the tax will go up substantially in the next 2 years.

haffajappa · March 2011

i've gotten to the point wehre i don't care if people smoke as long as they don't do it around me.
unfortunately the latter is never the case... bus stops, outside my store where it bothers my customers too, wherever... i'm so sick of it. people's right to not smoke should trump those who want to smoke. i'll prob get flamed for that but whatever.

nuffingman · March 2011

haffajappa wrote:

i've gotten to the point wehre i don't care if people smoke as long as they don't do it around me.
unfortunately the latter is never the case... bus stops, outside my store where it bothers my customers too, wherever... i'm so sick of it. people's right to not smoke should trump those who want to smoke. i'll prob get flamed for that but whatever.

Nobody should ever have to suffer someone elses smoke. If it was banned worldwide from all public places that would be fine by me. It's just that it's often treated as the world's greatest evil.

In the US cost of obesity $147billion per year
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Healthday/ ... 975&page=1

Cost of smoking $157billion
http://ww2.cancer.org/docroot/NWS/conte ... h_Year.asp

I've no idea what the attitude is in the States but I wouldn't be surprised if it's the smokers that are targetted the most.

Godfather. · March 2011

as a smoker I agree that smoking around a non smoker is rude, it really don't take much to smoke away from the crowd but......if I am alone having a grit and you don't like smoke stay the f#@k away from me and I will stay away from you.

Godfather.

Break The Sky · March 2011

bennett13 wrote:

I think marijuana should be legal, but not smoking it around children.

I think public masturbation should be legal, but not around children of course. It's not hurting you any. If you don't like me wanking in public don't come around me.

Now clearly I'm being sarcastic, but golly, what a slippery slope with the marijuana talk. If it's not broke don't fix it, and right now I'd say things are getting along swell without marijuana or public masturbation.

ed243421 · March 2011

why do tobacco rights
and anger go hand in hand?
is it that the smokers know that they were targeted and caught
like fish in a barrell
by an industry that created a product
that was "enhanced" with many poisons
that will drastically reduce the life-span of its users,
but they can't stop using it?
smokers, please do not get angry at non-smokers,
focus your anger on the truth,
a product you buy everyday is killing you

Blockhead · March 2011

While were at it, we should also ban perfume / Fragrances.
Anytime me and my wife go out and someone is wearing perfume / fragrance she get a serious asthma attack, a couple of times we have had to use an empi pen.
Ones freedom is anothers death sentence :roll:

Kel Varnsen · March 2011

nuffingman wrote:

Cost of smoking $157billion
http://ww2.cancer.org/docroot/NWS/conte ... h_Year.asp

I've no idea what the attitude is in the States but I wouldn't be surprised if it's the smokers that are targetted the most.

I am always curious about those studies regarding the cost of smoking. I mean sure it is easy to say that the medical bills from smoking related illnesses are this much and therefore that is how much smoking costs. But at the same time the life expectancy for a smoker is significantly lower than for that of a non-smoker. So sure while a smoker might have medical costs associated with lung cancer or emphysema at 50, they are probably not going to live until they are 80. So if they don't live unto their 80's they aren't going to collect as much security and retirement benefits from the government that they have paid into, and they probably aren't going to be hospitalized for other old age related problems like dementia or a broken hip (which are a big cost, especially since if the elderly are admitted to the hospital for something it takes a long time for them to recover) or having to live in a nursing home. So if you deduct those costs, that wouldn’t be spent on a smoker who dies before he or she retires, what is the real cost of smoking?

Break The Sky · March 2011

Kel Varnsen wrote:

nuffingman wrote:

Cost of smoking $157billion
http://ww2.cancer.org/docroot/NWS/conte ... h_Year.asp

I've no idea what the attitude is in the States but I wouldn't be surprised if it's the smokers that are targetted the most.

I am always curious about those studies regarding the cost of smoking. I mean sure it is easy to say that the medical bills from smoking related illnesses are this much and therefore that is how much smoking costs. But at the same time the life expectancy for a smoker is significantly lower than for that of a non-smoker. So sure while a smoker might have medical costs associated with lung cancer or emphysema at 50, they are probably not going to live until they are 80. So if they don't live unto their 80's they aren't going to collect as much security and retirement benefits from the government that they have paid into, and they probably aren't going to be hospitalized for other old age related problems like dementia or a broken hip (which are a big cost, especially since if the elderly are admitted to the hospital for something it takes a long time for them to recover) or having to live in a nursing home. So if you deduct those costs, that wouldn’t be spent on a smoker who dies before he or she retires, what is the real cost of smoking?

I think that assessment is a little off the mark. The ones that usually die young from a single attack, like a heart attack or stroke are usually people that are morbidly obese. Smoking deteriorates the body and smokers on average do die younger than non smokers, but the average smoker isn't dying at 50. Usually their bodies act just like an old car and nickel and dime their way into old age. No immune system from smoking equals more colds, more infections, emphysema, clotting problems. Smokers can live to an advanced age, their quality of life is usually just very low. I'd say the whole die young and take what's left off the top from my hospital bill is a bunk theory.

Godfather. · March 2011

ed243421 wrote:

why do tobacco rights
and anger go hand in hand?
is it that the smokers know that they were targeted and caught
like fish in a barrell
by an industry that created a product
that was "enhanced" with many poisons
that will drastically reduce the life-span of its users,
but they can't stop using it?
smokers, please do not get angry at non-smokers,
focus your anger on the truth,
a product you buy everyday is killing you

could be because of the constant bashing smokers receive from alot of the non smokers.
so if you non smokers will get off our (smokers) ass's we can all play together nicely.

Godfather.

lukin2006 · March 2011

mikepegg44 wrote:

nuffingman wrote:

Tobacco displays in shops will be banned in England as part of a package of measures to discourage smoking.

Instead, cigarettes and other products will have to be kept under-the-counter from 2012 for large stores and 2015 for small shops, ministers have announced.

I've no problem with this. I admit I like a cigar now and again always smoked in the garden so nobody can complain about second hand smoke. I just laugh at the narrow mindedness of it all. According to figures available, and I admit they seem to differ wherever you look the NHS spends more on obesity and more on alcohol related health problems than it does on smoking related problems. Where though are the "alcohol can kill" labels on alcohol bottles, or fast food packaging. Smoking adverts are banned but the alcohol adverts still keep rolling along.

I think we've become so conditioned to the evils of the dreaded ciggy preaching that it's probably a better vote earner.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12680815

I wish that politicians anywhere would grow the balls to just make it illegal to smoke. Seriously, they keep putting all these regulations out there...wouldn't it just be easier to prohibit smoking?

I don't think it would be better. Look at the amount of taxes made off of tobacco products, it'd be a major loss of revenue, which would have to be made up somewhere.

nuffingman · March 2011

ed243421 wrote:

why do tobacco rights
and anger go hand in hand?
is it that the smokers know that they were targeted and caught
like fish in a barrell
by an industry that created a product
that was "enhanced" with many poisons
that will drastically reduce the life-span of its users,
but they can't stop using it?
smokers, please do not get angry at non-smokers,
focus your anger on the truth,
a product you buy everyday is killing you

You're missing the point of my original post. It's nothing to do with the harm caused by smoking. Any smoker knows the risk they take and don't need top be told. It's simply that in the UK we have anti smoking groups, nobody can smoke in public but the government just to pander to public opinion more and more rules are made.

However obesity and alcohol which cost our NHS more than smoking are mentioned almost as a side issue. Nobody has ever explained to me why cigarette packets have "SMOKING KILLS" printed on them and pictures of diseased lungs etc but a whisky bottle doesn't have health warnings and pics of knackered livers printed on them. Binge drinking and alcoholism is a major problem over here.

Tobacco displays to be banned from shops

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