Why isn't abortion considered murder?
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Suzi78 wrote:Byrnzie wrote:Suzi78 wrote:So if I poach a fertilized egg, will I be eating a poached egg or a poached chicken? Just wondering...
People here in Chinatown actually eat eggs with the birds fetus inside.
I shit you not.
So basically you're eating eggs with chicken. Sounds like a pretty yummy omelette to me, all natural. Well, as long as there's no beak inside the egg. I'd rather have that than any food like substance from McDonald's or Jack in the Box.
Anyway...I think this thread needs to be aborted now.
sadly this thread has already been born so itd be murder.
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But it's only in its developmental stage, so in my view, it wouldn't be considered murder. How I choose to feel is how I am0
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19 pages is elderly on this forum. it would be euthanasia."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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gimmesometruth27 wrote:19 pages is elderly on this forum. it would be euthanasia.
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catefrances wrote:gimmesometruth27 wrote:19 pages is elderly on this forum. it would be euthanasia.
euthanasia is murder.
It's not considered to be murder where I come from. However, I think that would be a whole new thread. Let's not even go there
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Byrnzie wrote:Suzi78 wrote:So if I poach a fertilized egg, will I be eating a poached egg or a poached chicken? Just wondering...
People here in Chinatown actually eat eggs with the birds fetus inside.
I shit you not.
Yeah that was on the 'idiot abroad' programme....
Very off topic but i'd highly recommend the DVD. Very funny.0 -
pdalowsky wrote:Byrnzie wrote:Suzi78 wrote:So if I poach a fertilized egg, will I be eating a poached egg or a poached chicken? Just wondering...
People here in Chinatown actually eat eggs with the birds fetus inside.
I shit you not.
Yeah that was on the 'idiot abroad' programme....
Very off topic but i'd highly recommend the DVD. Very funny.
I watched it a few weeks ago on the recommendation of someone. It is funny. The China episode is one of the better ones, along with the Jordan and Mexico episodes.
The food in China really does suck. It's nothing like the Chinese food you get in the West. One of the first things I'm gonna do when I get back next month is have a Chinese takeaway - along with an English fried breakfast.0 -
Suzi78 wrote:catefrances wrote:gimmesometruth27 wrote:19 pages is elderly on this forum. it would be euthanasia.
euthanasia is murder.
It's not considered to be murder where I come from. However, I think that would be a whole new thread. Let's not even go there
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but since you brought it up.. where i live euthanasia is considered murder. its wrong that it is, imo, but its how it is.hear my name
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Byrnzie wrote:
I watched it a few weeks ago on the recommendation of someone. It is funny. The China episode is one of the better ones, along with the Jordan and Mexico episodes.
The food in China really does suck. It's nothing like the Chinese food you get in the West. One of the first things I'm gonna do when I get back next month is have a Chinese takeaway - along with an English fried breakfast.
The china one was the first i think and none of the follow ups were as good.
agreed that Mexico was funny too....
my brother went to China on behalf of his school to study the chinese education system as part of an exchange program and came back half a stone lighter....he said the food was awful.....they even put live sea slugs on a plate as some sort of honour thing with a spike to kill it and eat it raw.....he was extremely keen not to offend the offering but despite doing his best just couldnt eat it....ended up in Mc D's whenever he could sneak there0 -
brandon10 wrote:Electric_Delta wrote:zarocat wrote:A fetus is not yet a person.
Justifying the murder of a class of people by categorizing them as "non-persons" has been done before. Check Nazi-Germany.
http://www.prolifephysicians.org/lifebegins.htm
Nazi Germany comparison?? Is that you Mr.Beck?
If you want to use outrages Nazi comparisons, I can play that game. You are like a Nazi because you want to force people to have babies who maybe shouldn't. Then you will never give them any sort of healthcare or food when they need it. Forcing them to die of disease and starvation much like the internment camps.
That's almost as ridiculous as your comparison.
Who's forcing anyone to have babies? What the hell are you even talking about?
The only thing ridiculous here is your throwing out arbitrary statements.
The fact remains...Hitler labeled Jews as "non-persons" to justify butchering them. Planned Parenthood and the Pro-Choice crowd label the unborn as "a fetus" or "a tissue mass" to justify butchering them.
What's the difference?Bristow, VA (5/13/10)0 -
JonnyPistachio wrote:No, its narrow minded that you would suggest that all people who get abortions are "irresponsible". But I forgot, you suggested abstinence in another thread, so you might be the rare person who has total control of thier sex drive and can remain abstinent.. Some others do not. Do you consider using a condom responsible behavior? Or is having sex when you dont want a child ALWAYS irresponsible to you?
You can use the rare propaganda and sensationalism behind Kermit Gosnell, but it makes the rest of your arguments seem misguided. He is facing charges and commited crimes. useless to bring that up here.
oh, and also the lame 'killing babies'.. also sensationalism at its finest.
As far as the abstinence issue is concerned, I simply believe people should be able to exercise some self-control. Does anyone remember self-control? Why do we have to constantly satisfy our sexual needs? It's like sex is God in this culture and it's disgusting. In so many cases, it's unhealthy and even lethal. Why are you defending the pornification and hypersexualization of our culture? Why can't sex be put back in the bedroom where it belongs?
You're right. I shouldn't have said "killing babies." I should've said "terminating the fetus." Feel better?Bristow, VA (5/13/10)0 -
Electric_Delta wrote:JonnyPistachio wrote:No, its narrow minded that you would suggest that all people who get abortions are "irresponsible". But I forgot, you suggested abstinence in another thread, so you might be the rare person who has total control of thier sex drive and can remain abstinent.. Some others do not. Do you consider using a condom responsible behavior? Or is having sex when you dont want a child ALWAYS irresponsible to you?
You can use the rare propaganda and sensationalism behind Kermit Gosnell, but it makes the rest of your arguments seem misguided. He is facing charges and commited crimes. useless to bring that up here.
oh, and also the lame 'killing babies'.. also sensationalism at its finest.
As far as the abstinence issue is concerned, I simply believe people should be able to exercise some self-control. Does anyone remember self-control? Why do we have to constantly satisfy our sexual needs? It's like sex is God in this culture and it's disgusting. In so many cases, it's unhealthy and even lethal. Why are you defending the pornification and hypersexualization of our culture? Why can't sex be put back in the bedroom where it belongs?
You're right. I shouldn't have said "killing babies." I should've said "terminating the fetus." Feel better?
yes, that makes me feel much better, and it would've let me take you more seriously from the get-go.
As far as self control goes, everyone is obviously different, but we are coded to reproduce. In some people is is stronger than others.
On a personal note, I am a very responsible person. I hate to admit this, but I need sex. its not a matter of self control. I would be miserable withough it -- my body tells me this.. in my past I used condoms when I should have, but what if one had broken? What if the birth control my g/f told me she was taking didnt work or she missed one? am I irresponsible? its just not that cut and dry to judge and call people irresponsible so easily.
Sex is God and its disgusting? its obvious that its easier for you to abstain than most. I've had a lot of sex, and its been very health and non-lethal.
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Electric_Delta wrote:brandon10 wrote:Electric_Delta wrote:Justifying the murder of a class of people by categorizing them as "non-persons" has been done before. Check Nazi-Germany.
http://www.prolifephysicians.org/lifebegins.htm
Nazi Germany comparison?? Is that you Mr.Beck?
If you want to use outrages Nazi comparisons, I can play that game. You are like a Nazi because you want to force people to have babies who maybe shouldn't. Then you will never give them any sort of healthcare or food when they need it. Forcing them to die of disease and starvation much like the internment camps.
That's almost as ridiculous as your comparison.
Who's forcing anyone to have babies? What the hell are you even talking about?
The only thing ridiculous here is your throwing out arbitrary statements.
The fact remains...Hitler labeled Jews as "non-persons" to justify butchering them. Planned Parenthood and the Pro-Choice crowd label the unborn as "a fetus" or "a tissue mass" to justify butchering them.
What's the difference?
Science. That's the difference.
And you are suggesting that all pregnant women be forced to have babies.0 -
Electric_Delta wrote:JonnyPistachio wrote:No, its narrow minded that you would suggest that all people who get abortions are "irresponsible". But I forgot, you suggested abstinence in another thread, so you might be the rare person who has total control of thier sex drive and can remain abstinent.. Some others do not. Do you consider using a condom responsible behavior? Or is having sex when you dont want a child ALWAYS irresponsible to you?
You can use the rare propaganda and sensationalism behind Kermit Gosnell, but it makes the rest of your arguments seem misguided. He is facing charges and commited crimes. useless to bring that up here.
oh, and also the lame 'killing babies'.. also sensationalism at its finest.
As far as the abstinence issue is concerned, I simply believe people should be able to exercise some self-control. Does anyone remember self-control? Why do we have to constantly satisfy our sexual needs? It's like sex is God in this culture and it's disgusting.
In this culture... very convenient way to frame the debate to suit your narrow perspective. But what about all the other cultures, MANY of which allow women no choice in the matter?Post edited by _ on0 -
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people who believe like you would be forcing people to have babies if you had your way. thank god for roe v. wade, or else women's health rights would be set back another 100 years..Electric_Delta wrote:Who's forcing anyone to have babies? What the hell are you even talking about?
The only thing ridiculous here is your throwing out arbitrary statements.
The fact remains...Hitler labeled Jews as "non-persons" to justify butchering them. Planned Parenthood and the Pro-Choice crowd label the unborn as "a fetus" or "a tissue mass" to justify butchering them.
What's the difference?
and my reply to the large letter part...
you have no clue do you?
do you really feel that way?"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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JonnyPistachio wrote:Electric_Delta wrote:JonnyPistachio wrote:No, its narrow minded that you would suggest that all people who get abortions are "irresponsible". But I forgot, you suggested abstinence in another thread, so you might be the rare person who has total control of thier sex drive and can remain abstinent.. Some others do not. Do you consider using a condom responsible behavior? Or is having sex when you dont want a child ALWAYS irresponsible to you?
You can use the rare propaganda and sensationalism behind Kermit Gosnell, but it makes the rest of your arguments seem misguided. He is facing charges and commited crimes. useless to bring that up here.
oh, and also the lame 'killing babies'.. also sensationalism at its finest.
As far as the abstinence issue is concerned, I simply believe people should be able to exercise some self-control. Does anyone remember self-control? Why do we have to constantly satisfy our sexual needs? It's like sex is God in this culture and it's disgusting. In so many cases, it's unhealthy and even lethal. Why are you defending the pornification and hypersexualization of our culture? Why can't sex be put back in the bedroom where it belongs?
You're right. I shouldn't have said "killing babies." I should've said "terminating the fetus." Feel better?
yes, that makes me feel much better, and it would've let me take you more seriously from the get-go.
As far as self control goes, everyone is obviously different, but we are coded to reproduce. In some people is is stronger than others.
On a personal note, I am a very responsible person. I hate to admit this, but I need sex. its not a matter of self control. I would be miserable withough it -- my body tells me this.. in my past I used condoms when I should have, but what if one had broken? What if the birth control my g/f told me she was taking didnt work or she missed one? am I irresponsible? its just not that cut and dry to judge and call people irresponsible so easily.
Sex is God and its disgusting? its obvious that its easier for you to abstain than most. I've had a lot of sex, and its been very health and non-lethal.
??Defending the pornification and hypersexu??.... :shock: good lord, are you serious?! It just occured to me that I'm wasting my time again.. Are you a catholic priest or something?
I still think not one single person around here who always spouts off about personal sexual responsibility would ever practice what s/he preaches - which is really to NEVER have sex (even if you are married) unless you want a child at that time. I'd love to see them all go home to their spouses & tell them that sex outside of procreation is not a moral, healthy, responsible act & they will never again engage in it. But they won't, because their point is not to be responsible or save babies, but only to condemn others & deny them (especially women) their sexuality.
What's that Bill Hicks quote? Something like... Life in Lubbock, TX has taught me two things. One is that Jesus loves you & you're going to burn in Hell The other is that sex is the most awful, filthy thing on earth & you should save it for someone you love.0 -
Why? If I'm responsible and want to practice safe sex why shouldn't I?Electric_Delta wrote:JonnyPistachio wrote:No, its narrow minded that you would suggest that all people who get abortions are "irresponsible". But I forgot, you suggested abstinence in another thread, so you might be the rare person who has total control of thier sex drive and can remain abstinent.. Some others do not. Do you consider using a condom responsible behavior? Or is having sex when you dont want a child ALWAYS irresponsible to you?
You can use the rare propaganda and sensationalism behind Kermit Gosnell, but it makes the rest of your arguments seem misguided. He is facing charges and commited crimes. useless to bring that up here.
oh, and also the lame 'killing babies'.. also sensationalism at its finest.
As far as the abstinence issue is concerned, I simply believe people should be able to exercise some self-control. Does anyone remember self-control? Why do we have to constantly satisfy our sexual needs? It's like sex is God in this culture and it's disgusting. In so many cases, it's unhealthy and even lethal. Why are you defending the pornification and hypersexualization of our culture? Why can't sex be put back in the bedroom where it belongs?
You're right. I shouldn't have said "killing babies." I should've said "terminating the fetus." Feel better?
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Why? If I'm responsible and want to practice safe sex why shouldn't I?Electric_Delta wrote:As far as the abstinence issue is concerned, I simply believe people should be able to exercise some self-control. Does anyone remember self-control? Why do we have to constantly satisfy our sexual needs? It's like sex is God in this culture and it's disgusting. In so many cases, it's unhealthy and even lethal. Why are you defending the pornification and hypersexualization of our culture? Why can't sex be put back in the bedroom where it belongs?
You're right. I shouldn't have said "killing babies." I should've said "terminating the fetus." Feel better?
On weekends I like going out, drinking, maybe smoking a bowl and listening to live music. I do well in school, life's to short not to enjoy it. Music, sex, and the occasional drink help me enjoy it!
I've got the same plan my friend, I really do!
I will sign up immediately to be disgusting, unhealthy and even lethal. I am also willingly spreading the pornification and hypersexualization of our culture apparently. But I promise I will do it as responsibly as possible...
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