random mormon advertising

he.who.forgets · January 2011

Not trying to start a religious debate here, as I dont even know much about the Mormons. But has anyone heard all of the random radio & tv advertising about Mormons? The ads start out pretty random like "I'm joe blow and I do this and I do that...yada yada...and I'm a Mormon. So I'm assuming these ads are sponsored by the GOP trying to implicitly boost the hopes of a Mitt Romney presidential run? Or are they really just advertising a religion? Either way, it's pretty damn silly if you ask me...thoughts?

Prince Of Dorkness · January 2011

No, what they're trying to do is counter-act the growing hatred of their minions.

After Proposition 8, people started looking into what connection the Mormon church had... and found that they violated laws, acted in a very insidious manner, used lies and fear-mongering... it was just bizarre.

Check out the movie "8: The Mormon Proposition." It's horrifying what those "people" got away with. How they worked VERY hard to pull strings but stay hidden... manipulated people into passing on hysterical anti-gay propaganda.

They can beg me to not hate them all they want.

Not gonna work, I think those "people" are swine.

haffajappa · January 2011

reminds me of Windows 7 commercials

Aaron 23 · January 2011

Being someone that currently resides in Utah, but has lived the majority of my life outside of Utah and the "Mormon bubble," I feel somewhat qualified to give an answer.

The Mormon church has had advertisements on the television for a long time. Before this latest string of ads I remember they always had ones on spending time with family. There are many people out there in different areas of the country that still refer to Mormons as polygamists that are stuck living an Amish lifestyle, which is obviously not true. I feel that the ads are an attempt to show people that Mormons are like them in a lot of ways...obviously there are some huge differences between Mormons and those not of their faith (health code that prohibits the consumption of alcohol, tobacco, coffee, etc, as an example; as well as many cultural differences when it comes to their view on families) but they really are people that get up, go to a job, interact and integrate into the rest of society, etc. I think they're simply targeting this audience that would feel that Mormons are "weird" or "stranger" than they actually are. Sure, they are different, I don't want to try and state otherwise, but they aren't so different as to keep one from being a good friend, or invite them out to dinner, etc, any more than you would any other person.

Also: Jasunmark - do you have any statistics on the "growing hatred" of Mormons? Rather than a growing hatred, I have seen a polarization with those that typically associate with the left/right in this country, but no more than what has always been there. Those that "really hate them" now didn't seem to like them much before, while many that were apathetic, are apathetic still...there are many on the right (mostly "Christian" bible-thumpers) that seem to be looking more favorably at the church...My parents live in Kentucky, and it certainly seems to be that way out there. Not saying it is right or wrong, or that what the church did was right or wrong, just calling it as I see it as someone that has lived in this state for the last three and a half years amongst the main-line of Mormons in this country.

Prince Of Dorkness · January 2011

I'll tell you this... there's been a very noticeable rise in the amount of crybaby Mormons whining about "persecution" and "being on a hit list" and "hate crimes" since Proposition 8 passed and people started looking into what their cabal... does.

I used to just not care about them... figured just let them do their thing even if it is kinda weird.

Now, I react very differently. Those people aren't welcome anywhere near me.

They're trying very hard to give themselves an image overhaul but it's not really working much. Most of the ex-mormons that I know talk about the fucked up things they're forced to do. Did you know they all have to wear magic underwear?

Aaron 23 · January 2011

Jasunmark wrote:

I'll tell you this... there's been a very noticeable rise in the amount of crybaby Mormons whining about "persecution" and "being on a hit list" and "hate crimes" since Proposition 8 passed and people started looking into what their cabal... does.

I used to just not care about them... figured just let them do their thing even if it is kinda weird.

Now, I react very differently. Those people aren't welcome anywhere near me.

They're trying very hard to give themselves an image overhaul but it's not really working much. Most of the ex-mormons that I know talk about the fucked up things they're forced to do. Did you know they all have to wear magic underwear?

Yes, I am pretty positive that living in this area, I have a greater knowledge of the ongoings of the religion than most on this board.

As far as I am aware, the LDS religion has not backed down in any way on their stance on that particular issue. There was a big deal in this area where one of the leaders gave a sermon (talk, as it is referred, here) at a general meeting, where the text of the talk was changed in an area or two when it went into print. People said that they changed it because they wanted to "soften" the words, but when I read the changes and saw the original transcript, it seemed to me that their intent was to clear up the meaning, and if anything, the sermon was actually a touch harsher than it was before. No real backing down, there.

I don't understand why someone choosing (and it is a choice, there are a bunch of people here that don't wear them) to make a religious promise in something that they believe in and wearing underwear (that actually is not seen as "magic" but rather an outward reminder of an inward promise) is something to freak out about. There are religions that wear weapons around their neck as part of their daily attire, which is alright, I guess, when there's underwear conspiracies to talk about!

Most of the people I associate with in this area are not Mormon, but those that are tend to be great people, with good ethics, and great families. I would say that the way they live their lives (while considered sheltered due to their lack of experience in "living it up" in the party scene while young) keeps them out of trouble and they usually end up more financially, emotionally, and mentally stable than most of the other people around here.

Prince Of Dorkness · January 2011

Aaron 23 wrote:

I would say that the way they live their lives (while considered sheltered due to their lack of experience in "living it up" in the party scene while young) keeps them out of trouble and they usually end up more financially, emotionally, and mentally stable than most of the other people around here.

Really?

Even those families with 4 kids who spent ALL of their kid's college funds donating it to pass Proposition 8? And now those kids can't go to college? They're more financially stable?

How about the Mormon families who re-mortgaged their houses to donate 6-figure sums to pass Proposition 8? A few of which lost those houses? They're more emotionally stable?

As far as mentally stable... I can tell you from my experience in LA is that the freakiest of the freaks are the ex-Mormons, many who recount stories of being sexually abused by family members and ex-communitcated when they came forward.

Guess those people weren't asked to make commercials.

Prince Of Dorkness · January 2011

And really... do you know any other "religion" that needs to have public service announcements essentially saying "I'm not a total freak?"

I haven't seen any "I'm just like you and I'm a Jew" ads or any "Don't worry, I'm a Scientologist but I don't plan on robbing your kids today, anyway" spots.

Aaron 23 · January 2011

Jasunmark wrote:

Aaron 23 wrote:

I would say that the way they live their lives (while considered sheltered due to their lack of experience in "living it up" in the party scene while young) keeps them out of trouble and they usually end up more financially, emotionally, and mentally stable than most of the other people around here.

Really?

Even those families with 4 kids who spent ALL of their kid's college funds donating it to pass Proposition 8? And now those kids can't go to college? They're more financially stable?

How about the Mormon families who re-mortgaged their houses to donate 6-figure sums to pass Proposition 8? A few of which lost those houses? They're more emotionally stable?

As far as mentally stable... I can tell you from my experience in LA is that the freakiest of the freaks are the ex-Mormons, many who recount stories of being sexually abused by family members and ex-communitcated when they came forward.

Guess those people weren't asked to make commercials.

Do you make the same argument about Islam when there are the few on the fringes that would gladly slit the throat of an American child, simply because they are American? Same argument about Atheism because some of the worst tyrants in history were atheist? Same argument about the local Baptist church because somebody in Mumfordville, Kentucky happened to belong to a Baptist church and was an active member of the KKK?

The LDS church did not ask members to donate specifically to fight any proposition. They did ask (and this I may not be 100% in agreement with, seeing they get tax exempt status, but I am honestly not as well informed, only what I hear around the area) their members to help politically, using the current system, to help the prop pass.

I do not know of a single family that has donated their children's college fund to stop the proposition. If that had happened, it was not something that the church had asked of them, and it was a mistake on their part, on an individual level. The church seems to place a high value on higher education (they have colleges around the US and quite a few here) and I cannot see them supporting such an action officially or unofficially.

As for the need for the commercials, personally, I am not a fan of them and I definitely understand your point on their "need" to have the public service announcement.

There are bad nuts/morons in every religion.

he.who.forgets · January 2011

your posts are certainly interesting...thanks for the replies

Prince Of Dorkness · January 2011

Aaron 23 wrote:

The LDS church did not ask members to donate specifically to fight any proposition.

That's a lie. A lie they told over and over again. But they DID, in fact, order their minions to donate whatever they could to pass Prop 8 and they went out of their way to keep it as secret as possible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m76isUF49P8

Some Mormons who declined to donate said their local church leaders had made highly charged appeals, such as saying that their souls would be in jeopardy if they didn't give.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122186063716658279.html

I do not know of a single family that has donated their children's college fund to stop the proposition.

An alarm so effective that one Mormon family even closed out the college funds of all four of their children in order to donate $50,000 to the Prop 8 campaign.
http://dcist.com/2010/06/8_a_mormon_proposition.php

Mormon-tied ads supporting the proposition, and stories of church members being shaken down to donate the equivalent of their children’s college funds to the cause are horrifying. If they didn’t pay, we’re told it was insinuated, they’d face eternal damnation.

http://chicago.timeout.com/articles/fil ... z1BofDjH4u

Cowan enlists former Mormons to weigh in on the practices, sharing anecdotes about families who dutifully gave their mortgages and their children's college educations toward the fund. The church took full advantage of their obedience, or at least their desire to stay within its protection. But then, the church lied about the extent of its financial contribution to such a political campaign, believing itself entirely above investigation.

http://ology.com/movie-reviews/8-mormon-proposition

If that had happened, it was not something that the church had asked of them, and it was a mistake on their part, on an individual level. The church seems to place a high value on higher education (they have colleges around the US and quite a few here) and I cannot see them supporting such an action officially or unofficially.

Well then it's time for you to pop your head out of there.

There are bad nuts/morons in every religion.

Really? Can you point me to some stories about Wiccans sponsoring a mega misinformation campaign specifically meant to harm someone?

I'll get comfy.

Prince Of Dorkness · January 2011

Here's some more info about your Mormon friends (who'd slit your throat if told to do so, by the way.. never turn your back on those... "people")

http://mormonsfor8.com/

Where did the money donated to Protect Marriage come from?

Well only 2% of Californians are Mormons yet 75% of the money donated (a whopping 27 MILLION DOLLARS) came from Mormons.

Prince Of Dorkness · January 2011

You also might want to watch this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m76isUF49P8

Prince Of Dorkness · January 2011

Aaron 23 wrote:

Do you make the same argument about Islam when there are the few on the fringes that would gladly slit the throat of an American child, simply because they are American?

Well and there's another lie your Mormon friends try to pass around.

It wasn't people on "the fringes" at all. It was a campaign RIGHT from the top.

Sorry. Wish I had better news.

Aaron 23 · January 2011

Hmm...do I trust my best friends that I have known for years that are LDS or some random guy on the internet that has a few random sources from obscure outlets that were dug up that in all honesty have no real merit in my eyes?

I'll "bury my head in the sand" and stick with those that have proven trustworthy time and time again.

Have fun wallowing in your hatred. It is obvious by your choice of words (i.e. "minions") that you have an extreme hatred toward a people that you know little about. I am sorry to hear you are so closed minded toward others. A little hypocritical, in my eyes, seeing as that is what you accuse them of, when it comes down to it. I am inclined to believe that your hatred is great enough that you would go to any length to find any obscure article or link, regardless of accuracy, to find the answers that agree with your opinion. I wish you the best of luck. Life is too short to bother joining you any longer.

Nothingman54 · January 2011

The people that live behind me are Mormons. I knew from the first time I met them. He dresses the part, she does not but she is very controlling over her husband and orders him to do things. They are very family oriented and come across as very nice but we had some problems with them and her true side came out and it wasn't pretty. They have 4 kids, they wanted our kids to play together but that will never happen. Burn all Mormons!!!! Jk

Prince Of Dorkness · January 2011

Aaron 23 wrote:

Hmm...do I trust my best friends that I have known for years that are LDS or some random guy on the internet that has a few random sources from obscure outlets that were dug up that in all honesty have no real merit in my eyes?

Ah ok.. you'd rather some more mainstream sources?

you have but to ask...

Wall Street Journal: Mormons Boost Antigay Marriage Effort
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1221860 ... lenews_wsj

New York Times: Inquiry Set on Mormon Aid for California Marriage Vote
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/26/us/po ... ion&st=cse

Washington Post: "The Mormons are Coming!"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews

San Francisco Chronicle: FPPC Looks Into Mormon Backing of Prop 8
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/nov ... y_id=33015

Pam's House Blend: Mormon Church: Guilty on 13 Counts of Prop 8 Malfeasance
http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/163 ... alfeasance

Having suffered a blistering blow the last two years to its already shaky image, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon Church) has begun a massive multi-media campaign to come back from the depths of unfavorability in the national polls. They're spending millions and millions of dollars in an unprecedented national advertising campaign on television and radio.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/fred-karg ... 39652.html

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has been in a public relations tailspin in recent years, taking hits from both the left and the right.
In 2008 it became the whipping boy for those who opposed Proposition 8, the California ballot initiative that banned gay marriage. Mormons were some of the greatest supporters – and funders -- of the initiative.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/09/24/ad ... e-mormons/

Mormon officials have tried to stay out of the controversy that followed the California vote, when the church's prominent role in the marriage fight became clear. "The average guy does not know the extent to which the Mormon Church was involved on Prop. 8."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews

Prince Of Dorkness · January 2011

Aaron 23 wrote:

It is obvious by your choice of words (i.e. "minions") that you have an extreme hatred toward a people that you know little about. I am sorry to hear you are so closed minded toward others.

Hm. Really?

Well, let's see... let's take a look at "choice of words" shall we?

LDS apostle Boyd K. Packer told millions that same-sex attraction is an “impure and unnatural” condition that can be overcome.

Maggie Gallagher (hired by the Mormons to lead NOM) is often characterizing gay people as "depraved" and "immoral" and denigrating gay youth for embracing an "unhealthy sexual identity and lifestyl, exclaiming that being gay is a "dysfunction" that people should work to "overcome."

I also bristle at being told I know "little about" mormons. I have many ex-mormons friends who've told me all about the fucked up things that they try to keep secret. I feel it's important to know your enemy. And let's be honest... I had to cancel my wedding because of the Mormons. So.. I'm not sure i'm the one "so closed minded toward others." I think I have a pretty good reason to hate Mormons. I think you do too... you just choose to ignore it.

markin ball · January 2011

Jasunmark wrote:

Aaron 23 wrote:

It is obvious by your choice of words (i.e. "minions") that you have an extreme hatred toward a people that you know little about. I am sorry to hear you are so closed minded toward others.

Hm. Really?

Well, let's see... let's take a look at "choice of words" shall we?

LDS apostle Boyd K. Packer told millions that same-sex attraction is an “impure and unnatural” condition that can be overcome.

Maggie Gallagher (hired by the Mormons to lead NOM) is often characterizing gay people as "depraved" and "immoral" and denigrating gay youth for embracing an "unhealthy sexual identity and lifestyl, exclaiming that being gay is a "dysfunction" that people should work to "overcome."

I also bristle at being told I know "little about" mormons. I have many ex-mormons friends who've told me all about the fucked up things that they try to keep secret. I feel it's important to know your enemy. And let's be honest... I had to cancel my wedding because of the Mormons. So.. I'm not sure i'm the one "so closed minded toward others." I think I have a pretty good reason to hate Mormons. I think you do too... you just choose to ignore it.

Not all Mormons are evil, or actively participate in this nonsense.

Prince Of Dorkness · January 2011

markin ball wrote:

Not all Mormons are evil, or actively participate in this nonsense.

That may be the case. I haven't seen much evidence of it. You got any?

markin ball · February 2011

Jasunmark wrote:

markin ball wrote:

Not all Mormons are evil, or actively participate in this nonsense.

That may be the case. I haven't seen much evidence of it. You got any?

I just know and grew up with a lot of Mormons. Their lack of being evil or not participating in hateful activities doesn't exactly make it into the paper so I can't really give you any "evidence". Do you have any evidence that all Mormons are evil? You might have plenty of evidence that the church is involved in shitty activities, though. I certainly wouldn't question you there.

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