random mormon advertising
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Not trying to start a religious debate here, as I dont even know much about the Mormons. But has anyone heard all of the random radio & tv advertising about Mormons? The ads start out pretty random like "I'm joe blow and I do this and I do that...yada yada...and I'm a Mormon. So I'm assuming these ads are sponsored by the GOP trying to implicitly boost the hopes of a Mitt Romney presidential run? Or are they really just advertising a religion? Either way, it's pretty damn silly if you ask me...thoughts?
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After Proposition 8, people started looking into what connection the Mormon church had... and found that they violated laws, acted in a very insidious manner, used lies and fear-mongering... it was just bizarre.
Check out the movie "8: The Mormon Proposition." It's horrifying what those "people" got away with. How they worked VERY hard to pull strings but stay hidden... manipulated people into passing on hysterical anti-gay propaganda.
They can beg me to not hate them all they want.
Not gonna work, I think those "people" are swine.
The Mormon church has had advertisements on the television for a long time. Before this latest string of ads I remember they always had ones on spending time with family. There are many people out there in different areas of the country that still refer to Mormons as polygamists that are stuck living an Amish lifestyle, which is obviously not true. I feel that the ads are an attempt to show people that Mormons are like them in a lot of ways...obviously there are some huge differences between Mormons and those not of their faith (health code that prohibits the consumption of alcohol, tobacco, coffee, etc, as an example; as well as many cultural differences when it comes to their view on families) but they really are people that get up, go to a job, interact and integrate into the rest of society, etc. I think they're simply targeting this audience that would feel that Mormons are "weird" or "stranger" than they actually are. Sure, they are different, I don't want to try and state otherwise, but they aren't so different as to keep one from being a good friend, or invite them out to dinner, etc, any more than you would any other person.
Also: Jasunmark - do you have any statistics on the "growing hatred" of Mormons? Rather than a growing hatred, I have seen a polarization with those that typically associate with the left/right in this country, but no more than what has always been there. Those that "really hate them" now didn't seem to like them much before, while many that were apathetic, are apathetic still...there are many on the right (mostly "Christian" bible-thumpers) that seem to be looking more favorably at the church...My parents live in Kentucky, and it certainly seems to be that way out there. Not saying it is right or wrong, or that what the church did was right or wrong, just calling it as I see it as someone that has lived in this state for the last three and a half years amongst the main-line of Mormons in this country.
I used to just not care about them... figured just let them do their thing even if it is kinda weird.
Now, I react very differently. Those people aren't welcome anywhere near me.
They're trying very hard to give themselves an image overhaul but it's not really working much. Most of the ex-mormons that I know talk about the fucked up things they're forced to do. Did you know they all have to wear magic underwear?
As far as I am aware, the LDS religion has not backed down in any way on their stance on that particular issue. There was a big deal in this area where one of the leaders gave a sermon (talk, as it is referred, here) at a general meeting, where the text of the talk was changed in an area or two when it went into print. People said that they changed it because they wanted to "soften" the words, but when I read the changes and saw the original transcript, it seemed to me that their intent was to clear up the meaning, and if anything, the sermon was actually a touch harsher than it was before. No real backing down, there.
I don't understand why someone choosing (and it is a choice, there are a bunch of people here that don't wear them) to make a religious promise in something that they believe in and wearing underwear (that actually is not seen as "magic" but rather an outward reminder of an inward promise) is something to freak out about. There are religions that wear weapons around their neck as part of their daily attire, which is alright, I guess, when there's underwear conspiracies to talk about!
Most of the people I associate with in this area are not Mormon, but those that are tend to be great people, with good ethics, and great families. I would say that the way they live their lives (while considered sheltered due to their lack of experience in "living it up" in the party scene while young) keeps them out of trouble and they usually end up more financially, emotionally, and mentally stable than most of the other people around here.
Really?
Even those families with 4 kids who spent ALL of their kid's college funds donating it to pass Proposition 8? And now those kids can't go to college? They're more financially stable?
How about the Mormon families who re-mortgaged their houses to donate 6-figure sums to pass Proposition 8? A few of which lost those houses? They're more emotionally stable?
As far as mentally stable... I can tell you from my experience in LA is that the freakiest of the freaks are the ex-Mormons, many who recount stories of being sexually abused by family members and ex-communitcated when they came forward.
Guess those people weren't asked to make commercials.
I haven't seen any "I'm just like you and I'm a Jew" ads or any "Don't worry, I'm a Scientologist but I don't plan on robbing your kids today, anyway" spots.
The LDS church did not ask members to donate specifically to fight any proposition. They did ask (and this I may not be 100% in agreement with, seeing they get tax exempt status, but I am honestly not as well informed, only what I hear around the area) their members to help politically, using the current system, to help the prop pass.
I do not know of a single family that has donated their children's college fund to stop the proposition. If that had happened, it was not something that the church had asked of them, and it was a mistake on their part, on an individual level. The church seems to place a high value on higher education (they have colleges around the US and quite a few here) and I cannot see them supporting such an action officially or unofficially.
As for the need for the commercials, personally, I am not a fan of them and I definitely understand your point on their "need" to have the public service announcement.
There are bad nuts/morons in every religion.
That's a lie. A lie they told over and over again. But they DID, in fact, order their minions to donate whatever they could to pass Prop 8 and they went out of their way to keep it as secret as possible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m76isUF49P8
Some Mormons who declined to donate said their local church leaders had made highly charged appeals, such as saying that their souls would be in jeopardy if they didn't give.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122186063716658279.html
An alarm so effective that one Mormon family even closed out the college funds of all four of their children in order to donate $50,000 to the Prop 8 campaign.
http://dcist.com/2010/06/8_a_mormon_proposition.php
Mormon-tied ads supporting the proposition, and stories of church members being shaken down to donate the equivalent of their children’s college funds to the cause are horrifying. If they didn’t pay, we’re told it was insinuated, they’d face eternal damnation.
http://chicago.timeout.com/articles/fil ... z1BofDjH4u
Cowan enlists former Mormons to weigh in on the practices, sharing anecdotes about families who dutifully gave their mortgages and their children's college educations toward the fund. The church took full advantage of their obedience, or at least their desire to stay within its protection. But then, the church lied about the extent of its financial contribution to such a political campaign, believing itself entirely above investigation.
http://ology.com/movie-reviews/8-mormon-proposition
Well then it's time for you to pop your head out of there.
Really? Can you point me to some stories about Wiccans sponsoring a mega misinformation campaign specifically meant to harm someone?
I'll get comfy.
http://mormonsfor8.com/
Where did the money donated to Protect Marriage come from?
Well only 2% of Californians are Mormons yet 75% of the money donated (a whopping 27 MILLION DOLLARS) came from Mormons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m76isUF49P8
Well and there's another lie your Mormon friends try to pass around.
It wasn't people on "the fringes" at all. It was a campaign RIGHT from the top.
Sorry. Wish I had better news.
I'll "bury my head in the sand" and stick with those that have proven trustworthy time and time again.
Have fun wallowing in your hatred. It is obvious by your choice of words (i.e. "minions") that you have an extreme hatred toward a people that you know little about. I am sorry to hear you are so closed minded toward others. A little hypocritical, in my eyes, seeing as that is what you accuse them of, when it comes down to it. I am inclined to believe that your hatred is great enough that you would go to any length to find any obscure article or link, regardless of accuracy, to find the answers that agree with your opinion. I wish you the best of luck. Life is too short to bother joining you any longer.
Ah ok.. you'd rather some more mainstream sources?
you have but to ask...
Wall Street Journal: Mormons Boost Antigay Marriage Effort
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1221860 ... lenews_wsj
New York Times: Inquiry Set on Mormon Aid for California Marriage Vote
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/26/us/po ... ion&st=cse
Washington Post: "The Mormons are Coming!"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews
San Francisco Chronicle: FPPC Looks Into Mormon Backing of Prop 8
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/nov ... y_id=33015
Pam's House Blend: Mormon Church: Guilty on 13 Counts of Prop 8 Malfeasance
http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/163 ... alfeasance
Having suffered a blistering blow the last two years to its already shaky image, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon Church) has begun a massive multi-media campaign to come back from the depths of unfavorability in the national polls. They're spending millions and millions of dollars in an unprecedented national advertising campaign on television and radio.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/fred-karg ... 39652.html
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has been in a public relations tailspin in recent years, taking hits from both the left and the right.
In 2008 it became the whipping boy for those who opposed Proposition 8, the California ballot initiative that banned gay marriage. Mormons were some of the greatest supporters – and funders -- of the initiative.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/09/24/ad ... e-mormons/
Mormon officials have tried to stay out of the controversy that followed the California vote, when the church's prominent role in the marriage fight became clear. "The average guy does not know the extent to which the Mormon Church was involved on Prop. 8."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews
Hm. Really?
Well, let's see... let's take a look at "choice of words" shall we?
LDS apostle Boyd K. Packer told millions that same-sex attraction is an “impure and unnatural” condition that can be overcome.
Maggie Gallagher (hired by the Mormons to lead NOM) is often characterizing gay people as "depraved" and "immoral" and denigrating gay youth for embracing an "unhealthy sexual identity and lifestyl, exclaiming that being gay is a "dysfunction" that people should work to "overcome."
I also bristle at being told I know "little about" mormons. I have many ex-mormons friends who've told me all about the fucked up things that they try to keep secret. I feel it's important to know your enemy. And let's be honest... I had to cancel my wedding because of the Mormons. So.. I'm not sure i'm the one "so closed minded toward others." I think I have a pretty good reason to hate Mormons. I think you do too... you just choose to ignore it.
Not all Mormons are evil, or actively participate in this nonsense.
"With our thoughts we make the world"
That may be the case. I haven't seen much evidence of it. You got any?
I just know and grew up with a lot of Mormons. Their lack of being evil or not participating in hateful activities doesn't exactly make it into the paper so I can't really give you any "evidence". Do you have any evidence that all Mormons are evil? You might have plenty of evidence that the church is involved in shitty activities, though. I certainly wouldn't question you there.
"With our thoughts we make the world"
Well we can start with the thousands of homeless male teens who are banished at puberty from their families... with 50% of the births male and the elders wanting multiple wives, you have to get rid of the extra boys somehow...
You can read about that here.
We can then go to the gay conversion therapy that the Mormon church funds, forcing gay teenagers to be brain-buthcered, usually exiting much more fucked up than they were going in...
You can read about that here.
And here's one of the owners of El Coyote, a restaurant with a huge gay customer base, explaining why she gave $100 to support prop 8... Her excuse was essentially... "I love gay people but the church told me to do it and I had no choice." When she left the room in tears (after having to face down some very angry customers), her daughters stayed behind to yell at the customers telling them that the church tells their followers what to do and if they don't do it, they'll be thrown out..
Watch the video here.
Don't even get me started on my many gay friends who came from Mormon families who were threatened, beaten, thrown literally into the street by families once they came out. Mormons are evil. Swine. Pigs. I've seen way too much proof of that. Just because they're nice to your face doesn't mean they won't stab you in the back when instructed to.
We should view them, as well as the Scientologists, in the same light as the people who committed flagellation to themselves during the black plague in order to appease God. Let them do what they want as long as it harms no one else, but let's not take a single utterance seriously.
Watch this.
Especially the part that starts about 2:00.
What ?
1998: Barrie
2000: Montreal, Toronto, Auburn Hills
2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal
2004: Boston X2, Grand Rapids
2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto
2006: Toronto X2
2009: Toronto
2011: PJ20, Montreal, Toronto X2, Hamilton
2012: Manchester X2, Amsterdam X2, Prague, Berlin X2, Philadelphia, Missoula
2013: Pittsburg, Buffalo
2014: Milan, Trieste, Vienna, Berlin, Stockholm, Oslo, Detroit
2016: Ottawa, Toronto X2
2018: Padova, Rome, Prague, Krakow, Berlin, Barcelona
2023: Chicago X2
2024: New York X2
Yeah.. I wish I was making that part up. They don't like to talk about it but they think their magic underwear protects them from harm.
The lady from the el coyote restaurant may have caved to pressure but does not seem evil. Again the church and many followers may be up to this horseshit but not everyone who's parents were mormons and therefor they are mormons are evil. She may have been weak but certainly not evil.
"With our thoughts we make the world"
We may have a different definition of the word.
I'd say that smiling in someone's face and pretending to be their friend while secretly donating money to take away their rights is pretty evil.
(and just because your parents were Mormons doesn't make you a Mormon. I know plenty of people who left the cult behind.)
renounce all your friends and family and the only way of life that you've ever known. Not being strong enough or aware enough to do that does not make you evil as far as I'm concerned.
"With our thoughts we make the world"
I'm sure that defense worked well at Nuremberg, too.
you also might wanna check out...
http://www.iamanexmormon.com/
http://www.postmormon.org/
http://www.exmormonscholarstestify.org/
http://www.exmormonfoundation.org/
http://www.lifeaftermormonism.net/
http://latterdaymainstreet.com/
http://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/
I mean, for a "religion" that's made up of so many nice people, there sure are an awful lot of support groups for people who left.
Call me kooky, but if sure seems like I'm right about them being evil people if THAT much post-therapy and that many support groups are needed.
I wanted to reply to this one separately...
I want you to really think about what you just said there. If Mormons weren't evil... why would you make that statement above? I mean.. if Mormons weren't evil, why would leaving the religion mean renouncing everything you are and were and all you'd ever known?
That doesn't sound like a religion, that sounds like a cult. A very dangerous cult.
And... well, evil. To the core.