Project #6 - Light Becomes Stars: Binaural Live

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  • Tremors an Myra,

    Thoughts and Opinions on the Rough Draft?
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  • Hey I was just going to post that I've listened to it, Really liked it. Have to listen to a few songs again before I make any suggestions or anything but so far sounds good
  • myramyra Posts: 1,257
    Tremors an Myra,

    Thoughts and Opinions on the Rough Draft?

    I'm working on it.

    I need a couple more run-throughs (as in : one now, and one without working at the same time to be more focused) and some time to get home from work.
  • Hey I was just going to post that I've listened to it, Really liked it. Have to listen to a few songs again before I make any suggestions or anything but so far sounds good


    Hey electricxlovex,

    Sorry about the mistake I made on the PM I sent last night. :oops:

    I am glad that you like the rough draft. With that being said... What are the strong points and what are the weak points? What should be changed for Version 1?
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  • myra wrote:
    Tremors an Myra,

    Thoughts and Opinions on the Rough Draft?

    I'm working on it.

    I need a couple more run-throughs (as in : one now, and one without working at the same time to be more focused) and some time to get home from work.

    I have this thing blasting through my house right now. Last night it got the low speaker test and the headphones test, today it is getting the loud test. I am very pleased so far.
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  • Dimi picked a killer version of NAIS :twisted:
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  • Rough Draft Kicking Ass!!!! This is where we are at so far:

    Project #6 - "Lights Become Stars: Binaural Live" **Rough Draft**

    Track List:

    Breakerfall - Ljubljana, Slovenia (June 19, 2000)
    Gods' Dice - Salzburg, Austria (June 18, 2000)
    Evacuation - Hamburg, Germany (June 26, 2000)
    Light Years - Prague, Czech Republic (June 14, 2000)
    Nothing As it Seems - Nurnburg, Germany (June 11, 2000)
    Thin Air - Milan, Italy (June 22, 2000)
    Insignificance - Koln, Germany (June 9, 2000)
    Of The Girl - San Sebastian, Spain (May 26, 2000)
    Grievance - London, UK (May 29, 2000)
    Rival - Katowice, Poland (June 15, 2000)
    Sleight Of Hand - Katowice, Poland (June 16, 2000)
    Soon Forget - Zurich, Switzerland (June 23, 2000)
    Parting Ways - Seattle, Washington (November 6, 2000)
    Improv. - Koln, Germany (June 9, 2000)
    I Got You - Verona, Italy (June 20, 2000)
    Timeless Melody - Manchester, UK (June 4, 2000)
    I am the artist formally known as "Cameron4President"....
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  • myramyra Posts: 1,257
    Dimi picked a killer version of NAIS :twisted:

    What I was thinking too !! I like it much much better this way.

    I have only tested the rough draft on headphones so far, will try it on speakers tonight.

    I need to listen again more closely to :
    - God's dice
    - Evacuation
    - Rival ----> something's weird, but I can't pinpoint what.

    I'm unsure whether I got you should be before or after Timeless Melody. Need to check that again too.
  • Dimi picked a killer version of NAIS :twisted:
    Its GOD work,,not mine.. :)
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  • chimechime Posts: 7,839
    myra wrote:

    Pressure of the British lobby .... :lol:

    :lol: it was my first show so I mentioned it as I noticed it hadn't make the list ... and it was a nice surprise to me when I found out a little while ago that it is a show that Dimi really likes :mrgreen:
    So are we strangers now? Like rock and roll and the radio?
  • myra wrote:
    Dimi picked a killer version of NAIS :twisted:

    What I was thinking too !! I like it much much better this way.

    I have only tested the rough draft on headphones so far, will try it on speakers tonight.

    I need to listen again more closely to :
    - God's dice
    - Evacuation
    - Rival ----> something's weird, but I can't pinpoint what.

    I'm unsure whether I got you should be before or after Timeless Melody. Need to check that again too.

    I will have to take another listen to Rival too.
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    2014: Cincinnati, OH
    2016: Hampton, VA, Raleigh, NC
  • chime wrote:
    myra wrote:

    Pressure of the British lobby .... :lol:

    :lol: it was my first show so I mentioned it as I noticed it hadn't make the list ... and it was a nice surprise to me when I found out a little while ago that it is a show that Dimi really likes :mrgreen:
    its my favorite from 2000 tour :)
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • myramyra Posts: 1,257
    myra wrote:

    I need to listen again more closely to :
    - God's dice
    - Evacuation
    - Rival ----> something's weird, but I can't pinpoint what.

    I will have to take another listen to Rival too.

    I got it. The lyrics. They're totally fucked up :lol:
    This version is twisted, in an interesting way, though.
  • Hey I was just going to post that I've listened to it, Really liked it. Have to listen to a few songs again before I make any suggestions or anything but so far sounds good


    Hey electricxlovex,

    Sorry about the mistake I made on the PM I sent last night. :oops:

    I am glad that you like the rough draft. With that being said... What are the strong points and what are the weak points? What should be changed for Version 1?


    hey don't worry about it, it's not clear on here :D

    I think God's Dice was one where I wanted to listen again.
    I'm going to listen to it with headphones so I can actually hear properly - My speakers are a bit f***ked up . So I'll be able to give any proper comments then
  • tremorstremors Posts: 8,051
    Sorry for the delay. Been working. Am currently blackberrying from the train!

    Have listened through a good few times today and I think most of the selections where we have had a discussion and a few people listening are spot on! Agree dimi's nais is KILLER. Amazing.

    The points at which I am less sure if we have the best version possible, and partly because I'm not sure if we've reviewed them so much (could be wrong) are the opening two tracks, and the la's one. The exact title escapes me now, duh.

    I think we should finish on timeless melody (got it!) rather than I got you, but I'm not sure if this is the best version to end on. I like it a lot, but it I've heard it performed quite differently.

    I actually quite like this version of rival, though this is my all time least favourite pearl jam song, so maybe I'm not the best judge on this. I think I liked it cos half the words are missing! Lol

    The other song which we haven't reviewed so much is grievance, but I'm more than happy with this, but partly cos I can remember this one lifting us off the floor at wembley. Ed was really going for it, though some of that is lost in the bootleg I fear. Selfishly I'm pleased we have a track from my first show :)
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  • yep god's dice is one that maybe we could review and see if there aren't any others? I was listening to one from france today, but can't remember whether it was better or not :roll:

    also just out of curiosity, how come parting ways is from seattle? did they not play it at all in europe? or were those versions not good?

    love the version that we have, just curious is all
  • yep god's dice is one that maybe we could review and see if there aren't any others? I was listening to one from france today, but can't remember whether it was better or not :roll:

    also just out of curiosity, how come parting ways is from seattle? did they not play it at all in europe? or were those versions not good?

    love the version that we have, just curious is all

    "Parting Ways" was not played until the North American tour in 2000. Since it was played at the last show of the 2000 tour, I decided to use this version as a good way to represent the end of not only the physical album, but the tour as well. (started in Europe ended in Seattle).

    I wish they had of played it in Europe. I have to admit it kind of messed up my original plan to be strictly European.
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    2014: Cincinnati, OH
    2016: Hampton, VA, Raleigh, NC
  • Seems like maybe "God's Dice" is a weak link? If it is, what are our alternatives? Does France finally get a representative on this (das) boot? :D
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  • tremorstremors Posts: 8,051
    yep god's dice is one that maybe we could review and see if there aren't any others? I was listening to one from france today, but can't remember whether it was better or not :roll:

    also just out of curiosity, how come parting ways is from seattle? did they not play it at all in europe? or were those versions not good?

    love the version that we have, just curious is all

    "Parting Ways" was not played until the North American tour in 2000. Since it was played at the last show of the 2000 tour, I decided to use this version as a good way to represent the end of not only the physical album, but the tour as well. (started in Europe ended in Seattle).

    I wish they had of played it in Europe. I have to admit it kind of messed up my original plan to be strictly European.


    Yeah I think the Parting Ways we have is perfect, and also adds a slice of something else, coming at the end of their marathon tour - the North American shows were a very different atmosphere.

    I agree, we can look at God's Dice. What about Timeless Melody? Are people happy with the current version? Also, are people happy with the Prague Light Years? That is an important one to have right, and I feel will be better if we are in accord with that decision.
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  • myramyra Posts: 1,257
    Seems like maybe "God's Dice" is a weak link? If it is, what are our alternatives? Does France finally get a representative on this (das) boot? :D

    Ok, running though my notes again from when I was looking for it.
    I initially posted them hereafter, but reading them again, it was not very, hum, clear.
    Although, about Paris, I thought that the music was messed up a bit, that the vocals were ok but sort of lacked commitment.

    I'm running through the different versions again right now, since I'm eventually not so pleased with the one I picked :oops: .
  • tremorstremors Posts: 8,051
    myra wrote:
    Seems like maybe "God's Dice" is a weak link? If it is, what are our alternatives? Does France finally get a representative on this (das) boot? :D

    Ok, running though my notes again from when I was looking for it.
    I initially posted them hereafter, but reading them again, it was not very, hum, clear.
    Although, about Paris, I thought that the music was messed up a bit, that the vocals were ok but sort of lacked commitment.

    I'm running through the different versions again right now, since I'm eventually not so pleased with the one I picked :oops: .


    It's hard though, because when you listen over, and in amongst the rest, it can sound quite different. Little quirks can become a bit offputting when you listen to the same version over again too. If you give me a shortlist of God's Dices (God's dies?) I will have a listen too.
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  • myramyra Posts: 1,257
    tremors wrote:

    I agree, we can look at God's Dice. What about Timeless Melody? Are people happy with the current version? Also, are people happy with the Prague Light Years? That is an important one to have right, and I feel will be better if we are in accord with that decision.

    Here's what I thought about it yesterday ;)

    Could be cool to have more opinions on it though.
    myra wrote:
    tremors wrote:

    What do people think of my feedback about Light Years? I've been listening through with the Prague Light Years, and I think it fits better overall.....

    Oups.
    Have been away for a while and am trying to catch up. You guys worked fast when I was away !
    Been listening to a lot of different versions of Light Years this morning, before realising I was running late to go to the train station and left it there.
    The funny thing about this song is that, according to the show, it is totally different in mood and atmosphere. You've got 'rock-ish' light years, 'energetic' light years, even 'laid back' light years and 'softer', more intimate light years, like Prague's and Lisbon's. Katowice 2's is rather intense, all the opposite from Paris', where, as often, there's a slight lack of commitment.
    This being said, I do agree that Prague's Light years works best and has the right mood for that compilation.
  • tremors wrote:
    Also, are people happy with the Prague Light Years? That is an important one to have right, and I feel will be better if we are in accord with that decision.

    I've listened to this version many times since you suggested it and I think it's great for this.
    I agree that it is beautiful in its own way, without any additions.
    Darkness comes in waves,... tell me, why invite it to stay?
  • myramyra Posts: 1,257
    tremors wrote:

    It's hard though, because when you listen over, and in amongst the rest, it can sound quite different. Little quirks can become a bit offputting when you listen to the same version over again too. If you give me a shortlist of God's Dices (God's dies?) I will have a listen too.

    Sure, thanks.
    The ones I listened to to eventually pick Salzburg :
    - Cardiff - 2000/06/06
    - Katowice 1 - 2000/06/15
    - London 1 - 2000/05/29
    - Paris - 2000/06/08
    - Rock im Park - 2000/06/11
    - Milan - 2000/06/22
    - and Salzburg - 2000/06/18

    I sort of hope I accidentally left one (or more) off the list and it's killer.
  • tremorstremors Posts: 8,051
    mocik wrote:
    tremors wrote:
    Also, are people happy with the Prague Light Years? That is an important one to have right, and I feel will be better if we are in accord with that decision.

    I've listened to this version many times since you suggested it and I think it's great for this.
    I agree that it is beautiful in its own way, without any additions.


    That's great to know, thanks, especially since I think it was you who suggested the original one we had wasn't it? It's hard making decisions about this song, for many reasons. Out of the 7 or 8 versions I listened to I preferred Prague because it was quite soft, and clear, yet also quite intense, with a flawless vocal from Ed in lots of ways.

    Thanks for the feedback
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  • thanks my friend! just checked out the binarual live, love love love it! if only the guys would play more stuff from this album :( still, thanks again! im a huge fan off all this stuff you make available
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  • myramyra Posts: 1,257
    About God's dice, we can rule London 1 off, since Ed goes like 'I might have fucked up than one a little bit' at the end. So I don't think we want that one :D
    I find the way the vocals start on Cardiff and Katowice 1 a bit disturbing.
    So IMO that leaves us with :
    -Paris
    -Rock im Park, Nurnberg
    -Milan
    and Salzburg
    to pick the right version from. Unless I missed one. Or more.
  • tremorstremors Posts: 8,051
    myra wrote:
    About God's dice, we can rule London 1 off, since Ed goes like 'I might have fucked up than one a little bit' at the end. So I don't think we want that one :D
    I find the way the vocals start on Cardiff and Katowice 1 a bit disturbing.
    So IMO that leaves us with :
    -Paris
    -Rock im Park, Nurnberg
    -Milan
    and Salzburg
    to pick the right version from. Unless I missed one. Or more.


    Will listen to those shortly
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  • oh okay. No the Parting Ways we have is beautiful, love it.

    I was on pearljambootlegs.org and was listening to a Parting Ways that was apparently from a 1996 soundcheck? sounded great, don't know if it was actually in 1996 because I've seen errors in the dates and set lists before.

    anyway back to the subject

    Listening to some God's Dices right now :)
    Both Poland and Cardiff have rough starts, especially Cardiff. Ed mixes up the first and second verses in the Poland version, forgets a bit of the third at the end. But there's more passion and commitment in that one than Cardiff I think.
    London was more tighter in terms of the band and ed himself, there was passion. I liked it a lot.
    Paris was good. I liked it, the start was good. Not as much drive in the vocals in some parts.
    Germany - Liked this one a lot. Feels a bit more fast paced than the others.Last verse and chorus is killer. Love the ending.
    Italy - I love this one because normally Ed's been mixing the second and third verses on all the others. On this one he gets it right, but then he must've thought he sung it wrong because we get a nice switch between verses and then a switch again. Love it. This one also has a more aggressive, stronger ending.
    Austria - Like this one a lot too. Lyrics though mixed up are sung great, one of the few versions :lol: And the band sounds on point. Loved it by itself, will have to listen to it after Breakerfall to see if I like it better now.
  • myra wrote:
    About God's dice, we can rule London 1 off, since Ed goes like 'I might have fucked up than one a little bit' at the end. So I don't think we want that one :D
    I find the way the vocals start on Cardiff and Katowice 1 a bit disturbing.
    So IMO that leaves us with :
    -Paris
    -Rock im Park, Nurnberg
    -Milan
    and Salzburg
    to pick the right version from. Unless I missed one. Or more.


    I would go for either Germany or Salzburg.
    Paris is alright. Ed gets the lyrics right (even though the verses are switched as usual - i don't know why he didn't just record them that way, since he seems so used to switching them :lol:) But towards the end, it doesn't hold up to the Germany / Salzburg/ Italy IMO
    they have much more aggressive, stronger endings. which would fit with Evacuation nicely since that starts off so strong.

    So for me it's either Germany/Italy/Salzburg.
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