2003 compared to 2008 and on

givenfliers
givenfliers Posts: 144
edited December 2010 in The Porch
why r the 2003 boots so fantastic and as the years progress the band live at shows sound wonderful but the boots dont give the band justice
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  • vinyl boy
    vinyl boy Posts: 205
    totally agree. last show in toronto was best i have seen, listen to the bootleg maybe once or twice. i think you need the vibe to truely enjoy the live experience
  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,122
    The only thing that I can think of is in 2003 after the show you received rough mix Mp3's after the night after the show and the CD's showed up about 2-3 months after the final shows of the tour. So they probably took more time mixing/mastering the discs.
  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Nothing compares to the mixing, mastering of '03. NOTHING!

    I wish they'd stick with what they did in '03. Listen to Buffalo, Champaign, Irvine, the Japan shows. Instant orgasm to the ear.
  • gndcd402
    gndcd402 Posts: 2,579
    The 2006 boots sounded great and had very fast turnaround. The last three years have been terrible compared to 2006...hell the 2005 mp3s sound better than the 2010 flacs.
  • luke.harvey3
    luke.harvey3 Posts: 283
    For whatever reason, I don't find myself listening to the 2003 boots. I always turn to 05/06 tour or shows I've been to if i decide to listen to shows. I have all boots between 2000 and 2010 but I like these boots! 2000 are regular too. 2008 and 2003 don't get play anymore.
    I suppose that means my favourites are 2005/06 boots!!
  • Spencer
    Spencer Posts: 867
    One important reason the boots from 2000 to 2006 sound much better and are more enjoyable to listen to than those from 2008 to 2010: Brett Eliason.
  • John Briggs 2008
    John Briggs 2008 Posts: 1,024
    Spencer wrote:
    One important reason the boots from 2000 to 2006 sound much better and are more enjoyable to listen to than those from 2008 to 2010: Brett Eliason.

    Correct, Brett Eliason mixed the shows from 2000-2006 and Barret Jones mixed the shows from 2008-2010. One constant aspect is John Burton who recorded all of the shows from 2000-2010. The 2000 Euro shows compared to the rest of the 2000 tour are slightly different. 2003 tour was constant and quality. 2005 and 2006 were fair and excellent show to show. 2008 Was too damn bassy and mixed. 2009-2010 were mixed in response to fans asking for more of a live feeling with less mixing. People wanted to hear more audience tone. Hence the drastic difference but still quality recordings.
  • i_lov_it
    i_lov_it Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,007
    Just stick to what they did in ***2003***...:)
  • Spencer
    Spencer Posts: 867
    i_lov_it wrote:
    Just stick to what they did in ***2003***...:)
    They'll need to get Eliason back behind the mixing desk full-time for that to happen.
  • Stinkfoot
    Stinkfoot Posts: 546
    And this ladies and gentlemen (and all you naysayers) is why it will be a GOOD thing getting hold of the live on ten legs release in the new year. It will be properly mixed so even if you already have the boots of the songs chosen I think we'll see a vast difference in the sound.
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  • CrookedTom
    CrookedTom Posts: 252
    Actually to be honest I had a few problems with 2003 Boots - Cameron was almost drowned out, certainly on the faster songs. At times it was all too sludgy...

    2000 was great, certainly the first half of the US Leg. The Euro Boots had a warm sound, very unique. There was a lack of bass but that could be easily altered by turning the bass up on your stereo!

    I really liked 2006 as well (US & Europe) infact all in all, I think they had the sound perfect by then.

    2008 - Unlistenable.

    2009-2010 - There have been some good ones (London 09 being the best example) but there's still something not quite right about them. Drums sound like tin pots, and Vedder far too high in the mix.

    However I will cherish the 2000 & 2006 Boots.
  • locked
    locked Boston Posts: 4,051
    Ugh! Dont get me started!
    ;)
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  • demetrios
    demetrios Posts: 99,928
    gndcd402 wrote:
    The 2006 boots sounded great and had very fast turnaround. The last three years have been terrible compared to 2006...hell the 2005 mp3s sound better than the 2010 flacs.

    If only they could release the '05 tour via Flac & CD format! :idea:

    Someday that '05 compilation CD that was said to be released .. will come true. (Was first posted/answered over @ the Synergy website Rumor Pit section).
  • John Briggs 2008
    John Briggs 2008 Posts: 1,024
    demetrios wrote:
    gndcd402 wrote:
    The 2006 boots sounded great and had very fast turnaround. The last three years have been terrible compared to 2006...hell the 2005 mp3s sound better than the 2010 flacs.

    If only they could release the '05 tour via Flac & CD format! :idea:

    Someday that '05 compilation CD that was said to be released .. will come true. (Was first posted/answered over @ the Synergy website Rumor Pit section).

    Wish in one hand and well, you know the rest D. :lol:
  • i_lov_it
    i_lov_it Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,007
    CrookedTom wrote:
    Actually to be honest I had a few problems with 2003 Boots - Cameron was almost drowned out, certainly on the faster songs. At times it was all too sludgy...

    2000 was great, certainly the first half of the US Leg. The Euro Boots had a warm sound, very unique. There was a lack of bass but that could be easily altered by turning the bass up on your stereo!

    Lack of Bass???...More like NO Bass!...the Drums on the 2000 Euro Tour " "Drowned" " out EVERYTHING!...some good live versions of songs though...:)
  • nutbarz
    nutbarz Posts: 227
    John Briggs 2008 wrote:
    Correct, Brett Eliason mixed the shows from 2000-2006 and Barret Jones mixed the shows from 2008-2010. One constant aspect is John Burton who recorded all of the shows from 2000-2010. The 2000 Euro shows compared to the rest of the 2000 tour are slightly different. 2003 tour was constant and quality. 2005 and 2006 were fair and excellent show to show. 2008 Was too damn bassy and mixed. 2009-2010 were mixed in response to fans asking for more of a live feeling with less mixing. People wanted to hear more audience tone. Hence the drastic difference but still quality recordings.

    Do you have a link to that source? I believe you, I just need to have a link to the source, I've been looking all over for one, and still have not been able to find one stating that the 09/10 boots were mixed or recorded by anyone...

    Thanks in Advance.
  • locked
    locked Boston Posts: 4,051
    You know I find it impossible to believe that only Brett has the knowhow to produce a decent bootleg..
    It's not a matter of bringing him back
    It's a matter of firing the current team..
    With all due respect, we are the consumers so I dont feel like I am being hurtful with that comment.
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  • LeatherMosquitoMan
    LeatherMosquitoMan Posts: 4,034
    mookeywrench wrote:
    The only thing that I can think of is in 2003 after the show you received rough mix Mp3's after the night after the show and the CD's showed up about 2-3 months after the final shows of the tour. So they probably took more time mixing/mastering the discs.

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  • UpSideDown
    UpSideDown Posts: 1,966
    locked wrote:
    You know I find it impossible to believe that only Brett has the knowhow to produce a decent bootleg..
    It's not a matter of bringing him back
    It's a matter of firing the current team..
    With all due respect, we are the consumers so I dont feel like I am being hurtful with that comment.

    I was driving around with my sister this past week and she had in an OAR boot, and it absolutely blew away anything from pearl jam in recent years sound quality wise.......
  • John Briggs 2008
    John Briggs 2008 Posts: 1,024
    edited December 2010
    locked wrote:
    You know I find it impossible to believe that only Brett has the knowhow to produce a decent bootleg..
    It's not a matter of bringing him back
    It's a matter of firing the current team..
    With all due respect, we are the consumers so I dont feel like I am being hurtful with that comment.

    It's not impossible. Consumers change and so does the market. Consumers wanted to hear more audience mixed in by majority and Barret Jones did just that. I feel where you are coming from though. The band is loyal to it's technical staff the same as to it's fans and it seems that most people are content with the current bootleg products even though a more than fair number have concerns.

    Like I have said in the past, if so many have issues then they should write to TenC via email or by snail mail and voice those concerns. Get organized and maybe even petition for better production and whatever concerns consumers have. Pearl Jam and it's entire camp listen to the fans and will pay attention if people rally together to make there consumer voices heard. I just don't see it being that big of a concern for the majority of us consumers. Most of us notice things but are still very pleased with what is being provided to us as a product from my observations so far.

    They definitely had plenty of time to properly mix and produce the shows the last few years before making them available to customers. 2008 was awful in my opinion, I can't even stand to listen to them so I feel the pain of those who feel similar about 2009/2010 even though I don't completely agree.
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