I dont get it...whats is the deal with ARC?

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  • nowayimfaithfull
    nowayimfaithfull Posts: 2,051
    The 1 thing that sucks with pearl jam is becasue of all this Ed passion peoples minds get whacked. They forget that it is just music, and rock concerts at the end of the day. Just becasue Ed has nice eyes and a deep voice doesnt mean baby girls need to go to shows, anymore than we need to change the structure of their band. they have songs, instrumentals, hyms, intros, outros, solos.
    Every band does this stuff, its not like they were the first to sit down and have a chant or hym before an album.
    Some people have religion I have Pearl Jam.


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  • pearljgirl2010
    pearljgirl2010 Shillington, PA/Tuckerton, NJ Posts: 3,428
    irieinindy wrote:
    I guess that is the main reason why we disagree. I do find it disrespectful, not to the families. I don't think any of this has anything to do with the families.
    Don't you think by calling PJ music crap on a PJ message board is just a tad disrespectful? There are so many other ways to get your opinion across.


    fair enough--i appreciate your good attitude, and that you're not being rude because we disagree.

    I understand what you mean, but every single day there's about someone not liking something, whether it's getting shut out of tickets and telling the 10C to go F themselves (Personal insults to the band, 10c, etc, ) --I think that's way worse than saying a particular track on a CD is crap.
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  • nowayimfaithfull
    nowayimfaithfull Posts: 2,051
    Solat13 wrote:
    Make it three of us. Maybe it's the South Jersey roots we all have in common. ;)


    The funny thing is drifting loves this song. That maryland crabcake eating freak.
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  • IAmMyself
    IAmMyself Posts: 671
    pearljgirl2010 wrote:
    fair enough--i appreciate your good attitude, and that you're not being rude because we disagree.

    I understand what you mean, but every single day there's about someone not liking something, whether it's getting shut out of tickets and telling the 10C to go F themselves (Personal insults to the band, 10c, etc, ) --I think that's way worse than saying a particular track on a CD is crap.

    Yeah, I know what you mean. I have even been guilty, when my card was charged for tickets I didn't get. But I regreted it later and tried to make up for it. I guess I just take it personal when someone says their music is crap, even if I don't even like the song. Regardless, I appreciate your good attitude as well. And we can agree to disagree!
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  • blueeyedevil
    blueeyedevil Posts: 173
    irieinindy wrote:
    I'm not going to go onto Mr. Alan Jackson's fanclub website and start telling anyone who will listen that the song is shit. Why is this so hard to understand?

    Well, here's my take: Not that it's worth your time, but if you check my history of posts, I'm a pretty positive guy. Don't really like when people bash something seemingly because they enjoy the shitstorm that will follow. That being said, I didn't think the original posts were out of line. I thought that the topic created some interesting debate, and just wanted to chime in.

    I happen to think that most people are too thin skinned when it comes to artists they enjoy. I come to this board, as well as a few others, to see what other people think of the things I enjoy, and to pick up a little extra info. When I see a post that I feel is BS, I usually just move along to the next one and forget it. There a positives AND negatives when it comes to any band, and to think Pearl Jam is an exception to this is nonsensense.

    Yes, if you went to Alan Jackson's site and your first post was a negative one, you most likely would get slammed by a bunch of over-sensitive wussies. I'm sure of it. But it wouldn't make your point any less valid.

    I don't care for the "Post a Pic of Ed Where His Eyes Look Dreamy" threads, but if others want to share there opinions on something that has NOTHING to do with the music, I'm certainly not going to get offended by it either.

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  • augustwest
    augustwest Posts: 739
    share wrote:
    this thread is hilarious.
    In a sad sort of way.

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  • pulaski
    pulaski Posts: 259
    ive read all the comments, and what i take out of it is, that if Eddie made a 1 min moment of silence track on Riot Act instead of ARC, would you all feel just as moved and attached to that kind of song because it had "meaning"? even though the track is nothing but dead air (no pun intended).
  • pulaski
    pulaski Posts: 259
    BeerBaron wrote:
    What does that have to do with anything? He did NOT make a track of dead air. He made Arc. We are talking about Arc.

    That would be like me saying to you: If Arc had lyrics would you consider it a song? It does't have lyrics so that question would be just as irrelevant as your question.


    my point is, that most people defended it (whether its a song or not) because it has "meaning". Someone can place meaning on anything, so is it the meaning that makes it good? or is the appeasing to the ear?

    if its meaning, then the moment of silence would be just as good, if its the sound itself, then i still say its crap and shoulda been cut.
  • pjstarr
    pjstarr Posts: 271
    pulaski wrote:
    ive read all the comments, and what i take out of it is, that if Eddie made a 1 min moment of silence track on Riot Act instead of ARC, would you all feel just as moved and attached to that kind of song because it had "meaning"? even though the track is nothing but dead air (no pun intended).
    Maybe you need to read them again.
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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    pulaski wrote:
    my point is, that most people defended it (whether its a song or not) because it has "meaning". Someone can place meaning on anything, so is it the meaning that makes it good? or is the appeasing to the ear?

    if its meaning, then the moment of silence would be just as good, if its the sound itself, then i still say its crap and shoulda been cut.

    Have you ever heard the song live? If you have and still feel the way you do, then we'll have to agree to disagree.

    Like I said hearing the song live as opposed to the studio version is night and day.
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  • pearljgirl2010
    pearljgirl2010 Shillington, PA/Tuckerton, NJ Posts: 3,428
    pulaski wrote:
    my point is, that most people defended it (whether its a song or not) because it has "meaning". Someone can place meaning on anything, so is it the meaning that makes it good? or is the appeasing to the ear?

    if its meaning, then the moment of silence would be just as good, if its the sound itself, then i still say its crap and shoulda been cut.


    I think that is a very valid point.
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    pulaski wrote:
    my point is, that most people defended it (whether its a song or not) because it has "meaning". Someone can place meaning on anything, so is it the meaning that makes it good? or is the appeasing to the ear?

    if its meaning, then the moment of silence would be just as good, if its the sound itself, then i still say its crap and shoulda been cut.

    good thing you didn't get a vote, then, eh?
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    pulaski wrote:
    ive read all the comments, and what i take out of it is, that if Eddie made a 1 min moment of silence track on Riot Act instead of ARC, would you all feel just as moved and attached to that kind of song because it had "meaning"?

    No, because silence doesn't make the hair stand up on the back of my neck the way Arc does.

    If you don't feel it, that's fine ... but I kind of feel sorry for you that you've never had that feeling.
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  • scpjfan
    scpjfan Posts: 131
    I thought it was pretty cool that only played it 9 times (correct me if I'm wrong).

    Eddie singing it now takes away, just a little, from that now.
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  • elnino
    elnino Posts: 32
    I like Arc, but would have liked it A LOT better on the album if it was produced better. Why did they have to clip the hell out of that song?
  • howetzerman
    howetzerman Posts: 48
    Being one of the few people who acctually witnessed arc lastnight, i have to say that it was a HON candidate. (canadian inside joke)
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  • AmentsChick
    AmentsChick Posts: 6,969
    pulaski wrote:
    why is everyone so crazy about this song? its garbage, trash, its not even a song. why does everyone make a big deal about it?

    i dont get it

    While I wouldn't exactly call it "garbage"...I know where you're coming from. I've never really understood the hype either. But, eh, we all have own taste and our own likes/dislikes.

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  • pulaski
    pulaski Posts: 259
    slightofjeff wrote:
    No, because silence doesn't make the hair stand up on the back of my neck the way Arc does.

    If you don't feel it, that's fine ... but I kind of feel sorry for you that you've never had that feeling.

    i did see ARC live (mansfield 03) and it did nothing for me other than making me wish i used that time to hit the head rather than missing i believe in miracles.

    and as far as hair standing up, nothing like thumbing my way, breath, present tense or tremor christ to turn those curlies to spikes
  • mookie10
    mookie10 Posts: 41
    When Ed sings certain parts in songs its instant warm intense feeling...instant comfort

    When I was in labor with my daughter and in so much pain the nurses let me listen to a pearl jam mix (seriously) and Arc was the only thing that could relax me..

    his voice is just so intense and so soothing
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  • IAmMyself
    IAmMyself Posts: 671
    blueeyedevil wrote:
    Well, here's my take: Not that it's worth your time, but if you check my history of posts, I'm a pretty positive guy. Don't really like when people bash something seemingly because they enjoy the shitstorm that will follow. That being said, I didn't think the original posts were out of line. I thought that the topic created some interesting debate, and just wanted to chime in.

    I happen to think that most people are too thin skinned when it comes to artists they enjoy. I come to this board, as well as a few others, to see what other people think of the things I enjoy, and to pick up a little extra info. When I see a post that I feel is BS, I usually just move along to the next one and forget it. There a positives AND negatives when it comes to any band, and to think Pearl Jam is an exception to this is nonsensense.

    Yes, if you went to Alan Jackson's site and your first post was a negative one, you most likely would get slammed by a bunch of over-sensitive wussies. I'm sure of it. But it wouldn't make your point any less valid.

    I don't care for the "Post a Pic of Ed Where His Eyes Look Dreamy" threads, but if others want to share there opinions on something that has NOTHING to do with the music, I'm certainly not going to get offended by it either.

    Peace.

    I am definitely thin skinned when it comes to someone saying that any pearl jam song is trash, or garbage in this forum. I just feel that this is the place that we can discuss what we like and don't like but do we really need to go as far as to say that it is garbage and doesn't belong on the album?

    I am starting to realize that I may have more of a problem with people who think that there opinion of what should be on an album actually matters. Pearl Jam are artists, they put it out, we listen to it, we like it or don't like it. But for some individuals they have to go on and on about girl should have been on and arc taken off. Who the fuck do you think you are, and if you are so fucking talented, write your own fucking album!

    If you met me on the street and said the exact same thing, it wouldn't even phase me, but here-I just have a hard time letting someone say that and not letting them know that I think they are an idiot.

    I do appreciate the debate back and forth, I learn as well. pjgirl2010 and I went at it all afternoon, but we agree to disagree. Pulaski on the other hand, just doesn't get it, at all-in my opinion.

    I personally like conversation that makes you think, such as today. I don't always have to be right, I see other points of view, just not his and I can't help it but to let him know.
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