N.J. Bear Hunt

JonnyPistachio wrote:

I just wish there were still dinosaurs around to keep the human popluation in check.
Imagine running to your car to go to work in the moring and a fucking allosaurus gives you a jolt!

Riverrunner wrote:

Nice photos stillhere. Being from Southern Illinois it is always an eye opener to see that there is wildlife in N.J. Appears as if you have more species of wildlife than we do.

The bear hunt sucks. It is just a bunch of guys (well, mostly guys I'm sure) wanting kill something and brag about it. Hunters act as if they are doing something challenging and heroic by killing anything, but especially bears or mountain lions or wolves. But that is a joke. Animals in a relatively small area with guys with high powered rifles, scopes, special scents, dogs, camoflauge, etc. really don't stand a chance.

As for deer hunting, almost every hunter I know justifies their killing because they "eat the deer." However, it would be much cheaper for them to buy meat at a grocery store or even an organic farm because the cost of guns, ammo, deer permits, hunting clothes, equipment to haul the deer out of the woods, etc. costs a lot more than buying good meat. A hunter could even buy extra meat they don't need and donate it to others for the cost of deer hunting. (Keep in mind I am a vegetarian so I don't encourage meat eating at all). To me it is abonimable for someone to sit in a tree and wait for something to walk by so they can shoot it. That is a "sniper" not a hunter. And then there are the "hunters" who grow grain on their property just to attract deer that they can shoot during deer season. They feed the deer to get them to come to their property on a daily basis just so they can shoot them later. To me this should be considered baiting and should be illegal, but it isn't when it comes to growing crops for them. Then there is a local farmer who grows a big stand of sunflowers every year to attract doves. Then he invites his friends and family over. They congregate in the sunflower fields and slaughter hundreds of doves. They say that is fun.

StillHere wrote:

http://www.wfmz.com/lehighvalleynews/26040055/detail.html
40 black bears were killed in the first 5 hours of New Jersey's first black bear hunt

AND

http://www.dailyrecord.com/article/2010 ... al-NJ-hunt
Hunters kill 264 bears on first day of controversial NJ hunt

For those who argue over-population:

Prior to the hunt, the state Department of Environmental Protection estimated (you know, they took a guess, since they all live in Trenton, and have never seen a bear in their lives outside the zoo)that there were 3,400 bears in northwestern New Jersey.

Is that supposed to sound like a lot to me? What, we don't have room for animals any more in our society? A couple thousand black bears (estimated, by whom, god only knows) in all of northwest NJ where barely a soul lives anyway, (except for those inside the pass-coded locked and gated McMansion "communities" that is..oopsie almost forgot) is hurting someone or something? I don't get it. I spent the majority of my life in that area, and if there was ever a place in this NE industrial corridor that does NOT fit the mold, and has wide open spaces dedicated to nothing but forest and farmland, northwest NJ is it.

People who don't live here imagine that all of NJ is like the industrialized, citified, NYC outlying area. That is not the case at all. NW NJ is dense forests and little mountains and tiny hamlets with very few people inhabiting them. NJ is nothing as it seems. There is plenty of room here for the bears, and the deer, and the foxes and the coyotes and the mountain lions and bobcats and whatever else we might find. (Oh, and that's not even taking into account that nearly a full one third of the state, southern jersey is nothing but pinelands and military bases, where nary a soul may roam)

What next, an overpopulation of cougars and bobcats? Or will it be the horribly dangerous mountain goats that must go next season? Hmmm? after all, they are kin to the most feared and evil hooved beast of all...and i'm not talking jersey devil here, folks.

Fear-mongers.

Fear-mongers and hatefulness.

I for one am embarrassed to be a part of this culture.

uggghhh

I'm sooooooooooooo freakin' angry!

I don't even know what to do with myself.

Deer hunting is bad enough, and I've listened to those lies all my life...I guess maybe we become numb after so many years, although I'd chase the hunters off my land whenever I saw any....no deer hunting anywhere near my property, bud, sorry...move along now before you're asinine buddy there shoots you in the freakin' head...by accident, of course. dumbasses! Again this year, at least 2 dead hunters here first day of deer season. (and that too, that term, "deer season", as if calling it that makes it all just fine and dandy, and the worst f it is that we're all OK with it) Stupid idiots will shoot at anything that moves out there. Freakin' numb-skulls. Shows you the mentality we're dealing with.

OK now the bears. I wonder how many is enough. How many (should we "estimate") would be just the right number to ALLOW to continue to live? I wonder. Is it a thousand, a hundred, ten? NONE? What?

Over 250 dead in one day, those that actually registered the kill with the department of wildlife. and i'm sure there were many, many, many more that were not registered, of course, i'm not that naive. so, on the VERY conservative side, lets say 340 out of an "estimated" 3400 bears were taken out in ONE DAY. I think that's a very fair number, leaning toward the hunters' point of view.

That would mean that in TEN DAYS, the ENTIRE POPULATION of Black Bears in New Jersey would be decimated, wiped out, GONE! The entire species, as far as they reside in NJ, poof! Disappeared...in ten short days.

When you look at it that way, its not so much "harvesting" any more, as it is "annihilation", am i right? Surely even the most stout and sturdy hunter among us must consider THAT an abomination? ( I mean, geez, what are you going to kill next year if you kill them all in one sitting for krist's sake? )

Next year, probably the cougars...oh my god, there must be at least 20 of those critters just waiting outside your back yard for your little guy to hop off the swing set so they can all hop over your 7 foot no-gap hardwood stockade fence and gobble him up! oh whatever shall we do. I KNOW! Kill them ALL by golly...every last stinkin' one of em. Nasty critters. you didn't give them the pass code to the gates did you? oh crap!

geezuuz kerrrisst

I can't deal with this behavior. Stupid Humans.

I was reading some of the comments on the WFMZ article, and as laid back as I am (usually, really, even tho you might not believe it from reading this post..but i am ), I have to say that there's one guy from Philly (like HE knows anything about bears in Philly, right? ...yeah, maybe he has them mixed up with "Da Bears" but he wouldn't know a black bear from a kitty cat) anyway, this guy's from Philly talking about how we need to kill the bears so we're not whining about our kids getting mauled by them ???? wtf? when did that happen eh? must have missed that one. ..anyway, i might have to slap that smirk right off this obnoxious guy's face if we were in the same room together. It's hard enough being on the same web page with the jerk.

Sooo, as you may have gathered, ...I hold my ground. This is unnecessary. and to me, disgusting, behavior, to say the very least.

whygohome wrote:

chadwick wrote:

whygohome wrote:

I agree with "StillHere" on all points!!

Fuck the humans who have destroyed this planet! Fuck the humans who do nothing, and contribute nothing to society! Fuck the humans whose lives revolve around celebrities dancing (and skating!) on TV! Why are we any better than the animals?

If anything, animals should be controlling our population. 310 million and counting!! Cut that by half and we would all - including the animals - be much better off. Bye bye pedophiles, murderers, rapists, drug dealers, welfare manipulators, unemployment drainers, reality "stars", couch potatoes, Madoffs, People magazine readers, boob tube zombies, Dawn of the Dead characters, TMZ watchers, green-eyed monsters, Gordon Geckos, bullies, cyber-bullies, egomaniacal pundits, corrupt politicians, criminal athletes, bye bye!

Rock on "StillHere"!!!

a little marijuana never hurt anyone
lets be nice to those dealers
everything else in your post i agree with

deer populations are a different topic than bear hunting
deer hunting and bear hunting... two different topics too

bear killers are lightweight candy ass cowards
deer meat feeds hungry mouths
a bear rug makes that hunter a piece of trash
a deer head on the wall is wrong too
eat the deer and shut the fuck up about it
simple shit

why can't we shoot people who kill whales?
why can't we shoot some asshole who shoots elephants?
kill a bear because you are tough with a gun, get shot yourself

i am very sick and tired of people freaked out about wild animals
we have deer living all over town here
i like it
deer graze in my front & back yard
sometimes i feed 'em corn and apples
my cocksmoker neighbor shoots bottlerockets at deer and coyotes
only after calling me up " hey wick, should i shoot this coyote that's out back in our yards?

what a stupid dickhead

I don't consider marijuana a drug. I was referring to the lowlifes that prey on kids and sell them real drugs - the ones that can mess you up instead of making you a little hungry and goofy.

Can I fight your neighbor? Please!!!!!