N.J. Bear Hunt
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I despise this. And I despise LIARS. And the powers that be behind this fiasco are absolutely just that..and worse.
I live in PA, right across the river from NJ, but only for the past year. Prior to that I spent my life in semi-rural New Jersey, and I can tell you all, this is utter nonsense. It's a trophy on the wall, a stuffed bear standing in the corner of your den, or a bearskin rug TROPHY disguised as "harvesting" of the black bear population that has infringed on human "territory" within the state of NJ. It's all one big lie intended to make those of us against such actions feel better about what is going on right under our noses.
This event occurs way too often and there's no reason for it.
If human to bear contact has risen, and if bears are in town or eating in corn fields, is that the fault of the bear?
OR is it the fault of humans who have taken away their native habitat to build more instant mc mansions?
And in these encounters, when you leave your trash out, or you leave food on your BBQ, and mama bear wanders in to have a taste for herself and maybe take a little back to the cubbies, in these encounters, tell me, who have the bears hurt? Who has been injured, killed, maimed? Tell me, because I have not heard of even ONE of us being harmed by a black bear in the state of NJ. I''m not talking grizzlies. We have black bears. Minding their own business, being shoved out of their homes so that we can build more of our own. Needlessly, and then being "harvested" because our own irresponsible actions brought them into our back yards.
OH and I like how they call it "harvesting" what is that supposed to make people like me feel better?
NJ Fish & Wildlife numbers show that: "...historically have never harmed anybody, seriously harmed anybody in the last 150 years...."
Here is the article: http://www.wfmz.com/news/26019978/detail.html
I know that there are very mixed feelings on this topic, and I'd like to hear yours.
As for myself, my family has had very peaceful encounters with black bears over the last several years. They are being pushed into human life by we humans ourselves who apparently will not be satisfied until we have developed every square inch of land in PA and NJ.
My son ran into a black bear while working the natural gas lines near Voorhees State Park in Hunterdon County, NJ a few years back, and while it startled him, AND the bear, both silently stood their ground and the bear finally rambled on down to the creek where it had been headed before it crossed the footpath,to have a drink and my son went along his way. He was shaken by it, but in the end, realized that the bear was not there to harm him, just a chance meeting along the way to a drink or a fishing trip for the bear. And a beautiful animal at that.
A few years before that, again in Hunterdon County, NJ, my nephew's football team practiced outside their high school in a rural area of the state/county. A mama bear and her 2 cubs watched from the treeline every afternoon until dusk as the kids practiced. She stayed her distance. She was no doubt training her cubs while enjoying a good game of football every weekday afternoon...and an even better display on Saturday afternoons. Of course petitions went around to have mama and the cubs relocated, but they were doing no harm, obviously were not aggressive, and anyway, it was us who drove them to the edge of the woods, for not more than a half a mile behind the school, where there used to be miles and miles of undisturbed woodlands and hills, there now reside hundreds of "us" in 5 bedroom mc masions with swimming pools and double decker gardens. So I ask why should we relocate the bears, when we've already done so by building up their land to suit our own wants (not needs, ,there is plenty of housing available without building). Why relocate them elsewhere when we're the ones who pushed them out into "our" territory to begin with.
I have little tolerance for hunting for sport, and even so much less for hunting for sport with trumped up hype behind it that is meant to have people believe that population control and thinning of the herd is necessary. And then they call it "harvesting"????
Well, sirs, your language has not disguised the truth from my eyes.
Disgraceful.
I would say what I really think about all this, but well, i don't use that kind of language.
Your turn.
I live in PA, right across the river from NJ, but only for the past year. Prior to that I spent my life in semi-rural New Jersey, and I can tell you all, this is utter nonsense. It's a trophy on the wall, a stuffed bear standing in the corner of your den, or a bearskin rug TROPHY disguised as "harvesting" of the black bear population that has infringed on human "territory" within the state of NJ. It's all one big lie intended to make those of us against such actions feel better about what is going on right under our noses.
This event occurs way too often and there's no reason for it.
If human to bear contact has risen, and if bears are in town or eating in corn fields, is that the fault of the bear?
OR is it the fault of humans who have taken away their native habitat to build more instant mc mansions?
And in these encounters, when you leave your trash out, or you leave food on your BBQ, and mama bear wanders in to have a taste for herself and maybe take a little back to the cubbies, in these encounters, tell me, who have the bears hurt? Who has been injured, killed, maimed? Tell me, because I have not heard of even ONE of us being harmed by a black bear in the state of NJ. I''m not talking grizzlies. We have black bears. Minding their own business, being shoved out of their homes so that we can build more of our own. Needlessly, and then being "harvested" because our own irresponsible actions brought them into our back yards.
OH and I like how they call it "harvesting" what is that supposed to make people like me feel better?
NJ Fish & Wildlife numbers show that: "...historically have never harmed anybody, seriously harmed anybody in the last 150 years...."
Here is the article: http://www.wfmz.com/news/26019978/detail.html
I know that there are very mixed feelings on this topic, and I'd like to hear yours.
As for myself, my family has had very peaceful encounters with black bears over the last several years. They are being pushed into human life by we humans ourselves who apparently will not be satisfied until we have developed every square inch of land in PA and NJ.
My son ran into a black bear while working the natural gas lines near Voorhees State Park in Hunterdon County, NJ a few years back, and while it startled him, AND the bear, both silently stood their ground and the bear finally rambled on down to the creek where it had been headed before it crossed the footpath,to have a drink and my son went along his way. He was shaken by it, but in the end, realized that the bear was not there to harm him, just a chance meeting along the way to a drink or a fishing trip for the bear. And a beautiful animal at that.
A few years before that, again in Hunterdon County, NJ, my nephew's football team practiced outside their high school in a rural area of the state/county. A mama bear and her 2 cubs watched from the treeline every afternoon until dusk as the kids practiced. She stayed her distance. She was no doubt training her cubs while enjoying a good game of football every weekday afternoon...and an even better display on Saturday afternoons. Of course petitions went around to have mama and the cubs relocated, but they were doing no harm, obviously were not aggressive, and anyway, it was us who drove them to the edge of the woods, for not more than a half a mile behind the school, where there used to be miles and miles of undisturbed woodlands and hills, there now reside hundreds of "us" in 5 bedroom mc masions with swimming pools and double decker gardens. So I ask why should we relocate the bears, when we've already done so by building up their land to suit our own wants (not needs, ,there is plenty of housing available without building). Why relocate them elsewhere when we're the ones who pushed them out into "our" territory to begin with.
I have little tolerance for hunting for sport, and even so much less for hunting for sport with trumped up hype behind it that is meant to have people believe that population control and thinning of the herd is necessary. And then they call it "harvesting"????
Well, sirs, your language has not disguised the truth from my eyes.
Disgraceful.
I would say what I really think about all this, but well, i don't use that kind of language.
Your turn.
peace,
jo
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"How I choose to feel is how I am." ~ EV/MMc
"Some people hear their own inner voices with great clearness and they live by what they hear. Such people become crazy, or they become legends." ~ One Stab ~
jo
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"How I choose to feel is how I am." ~ EV/MMc
"Some people hear their own inner voices with great clearness and they live by what they hear. Such people become crazy, or they become legends." ~ One Stab ~
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people are scared to death of everything
New Jersey has what? 3 black bear total?
they all migrated to the big apple
ny style pizza and ny style bagels
black bears are set like big dogs out east
is Snooki & her little outfit of dickheads freaked out about critters in the woods?
New Jersey has trees, yes?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Anyway, I find hunting repulsive. I would like to hunt the hunters.
And all this bull shit about the bears, deer, or wolves "intruding" on human habitats? They were here first, and they are not doing everything in their power to destroy this planet.
but the regular jersey bears, well they are still hanging around, and while i'm sure we don't have even a fraction of what you guys get out there, we have quite a few.
thing is, they've been hiding out, quietly eating their porridge for so many years that we easterners forgot they lived here too. then, one day, bob the builder came in and bought up all the farmland and all the forests in the tiny little state, and decided he'd like to build a mc mansion for each and every person that wanted to work in NYC but live in the suburbs, (and that had 450,000 mc dollars to pay him for it) and so he did. And the New Yorkers bought up the mc mansions by the thousands, brought their jaguars and their vipers and their stingrays, and parked them gently in the driveway, where they behaved nicely and never bothered anyone.
..ahhhhh..but they forgot about the bears.
The bears, whose homes were once nestled comfortably in the same spots now occupied by the more precious pets of metal and shiny high impact plastic. The bears, the ones who didn't matter and who unbeknown to mr and mrs new mc mansion owner, would just have to move on, as decreed by bob the builder, as he dragged down all of mother nature in his mad dash for wealth of the golden variety.
So the bears, now disoriented, saddened and forgotten, and with no place to call home, and having been pushed as far away as they've ever been before, well they wander back once in a long while, just to have a look at the old homestead...the one that was in their family for generations upon generations. The one that great great grandmother chose over a hundred years ago for its lush greenery and bounty of fruit bearing bush. The cozy old homestead, where cubs were lovingly reared and taught the way of the bear for countless generations even before then. They just want a whiff of nostalgia, just a little peek at what was once theirs, and what should have remained theirs forevermore.
But Bob, the builder, and Mr and Mrs McMansion, they don't know the bears. They've never seen such a wild thing. Surely it will eat their young and bloody their beloved plasticized pets out in the car port, oh no! They must rid themselves of this pestilence at once, before it has the chance to attack. They cannot allow it time to plot its revenge..but no, not revenge...and what would the mc mansion's know of a bear's revenge, for they don't know the bears, and they don't realize that they've taken away their homes. the bears don't seek revenge. revenge is human scourge, and the bears are not humans, after all.
but this land was put here for we, the people, why of course it was. this is mc mansion land if ever there was such a place. and even if they did know of the bears, they wouldn't understand that the bears don't want revenge, they are but gentle creatures of the forest. they just wanted a look...just to remember from whence they came. they'll only stay a few moments, and then they'll wander off, sadly, in hopes of someday finding a new home as nice as the one great grandmother found for them so many years ago.
in hopes that this day will come, they wander, sometimes aimlessly through fields and forests, whats left of them, and should they come upon a schoolyard or a supermarket parking lot, well, its not that they mean to interrupt the goings on of humans, its just that, well, last time through, these human's buildings were not here. how were they to know that they were unwelcome here. this is their home, is it not?
the bears, they meander peacefully, cubs at the tow, no bushes of fruit to be found, they search out what the humans may have left behind. that big metal can smells promising and the cubs are hungry. mama bear must feed her cubs tonight so she tips the can, and when it appears that there is no objection, she summons her cubs from hiding so that they may strengthen themselves for the long search tomorrow, for a new home. feasting on banana peels and half-eaten hamburger buns, the best she can do for them tonight, they will at least have the stamina to wander another day. their foraged meal complete, they wander back into the thinning forest for a bed to call their own for a night.
but mr and mrs mcmansion, oh my, when they wake in the morning, they are shocked to see the mess in the trash bin near the patio. oh my what creature could have been strong enough to get into these cans? and the bin...how clever they must be. they are frightened for they know not of the plight of the bears. and oh, these creatures are much too clever. mr and mrs mcmansion are truly distraught and well they should be, for they've been warned of such terrifying intrusions by old men who wouldn't dare to spin a yarn a mile long, why, no, not even consider it.
the authorities are summoned, and they know just what to do. they'll take care of this problem once and for all. how dare these wild and dangerous animals trek into our back yards and disturb suburbanite luxury. what a terrible inconvenience for the mcmansions of their community to have to pick up leftovers strewn on the patio even before their morning coffee. oh this cannot be tolerated. oh definitely not! this will be taken care of immediately.
and so it goes
and unfortunately, it goes and goes and goes and goes, the houses go up, the people come from NYC for a life of luxury in the "country".....and the bears are in their way.
no matter that this is the land of the bears. that this is the "country" of the bears. that this was once the fruit bearing lush forest so longed for by the bears. or the deer. or the coyote..or the mountain lion. ten years ago, maybe twenty, there were no mcmansions, no super waldy marts, no six lane super highways or twenty story smoky glass buildings..no, ten years ago this mountain was just that, a mountain, small, yes, in comparison to many, maybe even most, but a mountain nonetheless, and it was here for what a mountain is intended to be here for...laid out by mother nature with all the bounties and fruits required or ever wished for by these beautiful creatures of the forest. the gentle deer, the sleek mountain lion, the meandering bear, the mountain goat, the stealthy coyote, wild turkeys, the red fox, and all their forest friends. sure there were a few humans in the mix, but these were humans who understood nature and were happy to live in peace and harmony with its bounties. maybe ten, maybe twenty years ago..and that's all.
yes, they are all still here, all of these animals, wild yet not so free. no longer with a home to call their own. being pushed further and further until finally, there is nowhere left to run, and so they come back, not because they want to be in the way of humans, why would they? no. because they have no where else left to go.
this is the fault of the humans. these bears are just so much more "collateral damage"
reminds me of a story i once heard, not the one they told in history class in grade school, no, that one was all wrong, but a lakota nation friend of mine, a proud Oglála, tells me of a similar story of wolves and men. of men with white skin and long guns and promises never kept. of buffalo spirits and the eagle and the wolf. men with forked tongue and men without reverence for the land or the sacred creatures that roam upon it. yes it sounds familiar, all too familiar, to my friend. and to me as well.
jo
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"How I choose to feel is how I am." ~ EV/MMc
"Some people hear their own inner voices with great clearness and they live by what they hear. Such people become crazy, or they become legends." ~ One Stab ~
I don't believe in any irresponsible and wreckless behavior relative to hunting or the handling of firearms. I know lots of hunters and none of them have disrespect for nature or their surrounding ecosystems, in fact, the opposite is true. None of them kill merely to kill; they do consume the deer they shoot or otherwise use it.
I think you will be hard-pressed to find any hunters who kill just to do it.
A guy up the street hunts with a bow and arrow. That takes skill.
40 black bears were killed in the first 5 hours of New Jersey's first black bear hunt
AND
http://www.dailyrecord.com/article/2010 ... al-NJ-hunt
Hunters kill 264 bears on first day of controversial NJ hunt
For those who argue over-population:
Prior to the hunt, the state Department of Environmental Protection estimated (you know, they took a guess, since they all live in Trenton, and have never seen a bear in their lives outside the zoo)that there were 3,400 bears in northwestern New Jersey.
Is that supposed to sound like a lot to me? What, we don't have room for animals any more in our society? A couple thousand black bears (estimated, by whom, god only knows) in all of northwest NJ where barely a soul lives anyway, (except for those inside the pass-coded locked and gated McMansion "communities" that is..oopsie almost forgot) is hurting someone or something? I don't get it. I spent the majority of my life in that area, and if there was ever a place in this NE industrial corridor that does NOT fit the mold, and has wide open spaces dedicated to nothing but forest and farmland, northwest NJ is it.
People who don't live here imagine that all of NJ is like the industrialized, citified, NYC outlying area. That is not the case at all. NW NJ is dense forests and little mountains and tiny hamlets with very few people inhabiting them. NJ is nothing as it seems. There is plenty of room here for the bears, and the deer, and the foxes and the coyotes and the mountain lions and bobcats and whatever else we might find. (Oh, and that's not even taking into account that nearly a full one third of the state, southern jersey is nothing but pinelands and military bases, where nary a soul may roam)
What next, an overpopulation of cougars and bobcats? Or will it be the horribly dangerous mountain goats that must go next season? Hmmm? after all, they are kin to the most feared and evil hooved beast of all...and i'm not talking jersey devil here, folks.
Fear-mongers.
Fear-mongers and hatefulness.
I for one am embarrassed to be a part of this culture.
uggghhh
I'm sooooooooooooo freakin' angry!
I don't even know what to do with myself.
Deer hunting is bad enough, and I've listened to those lies all my life...I guess maybe we become numb after so many years, although I'd chase the hunters off my land whenever I saw any....no deer hunting anywhere near my property, bud, sorry...move along now before you're asinine buddy there shoots you in the freakin' head...by accident, of course. dumbasses! Again this year, at least 2 dead hunters here first day of deer season. (and that too, that term, "deer season", as if calling it that makes it all just fine and dandy, and the worst f it is that we're all OK with it) Stupid idiots will shoot at anything that moves out there. Freakin' numb-skulls. Shows you the mentality we're dealing with.
OK now the bears. I wonder how many is enough. How many (should we "estimate") would be just the right number to ALLOW to continue to live? I wonder. Is it a thousand, a hundred, ten? NONE? What?
Over 250 dead in one day, those that actually registered the kill with the department of wildlife. and i'm sure there were many, many, many more that were not registered, of course, i'm not that naive. so, on the VERY conservative side, lets say 340 out of an "estimated" 3400 bears were taken out in ONE DAY. I think that's a very fair number, leaning toward the hunters' point of view.
That would mean that in TEN DAYS, the ENTIRE POPULATION of Black Bears in New Jersey would be decimated, wiped out, GONE! The entire species, as far as they reside in NJ, poof! Disappeared...in ten short days.
When you look at it that way, its not so much "harvesting" any more, as it is "annihilation", am i right? Surely even the most stout and sturdy hunter among us must consider THAT an abomination? ( I mean, geez, what are you going to kill next year if you kill them all in one sitting for krist's sake? )
Next year, probably the cougars...oh my god, there must be at least 20 of those critters just waiting outside your back yard for your little guy to hop off the swing set so they can all hop over your 7 foot no-gap hardwood stockade fence and gobble him up! oh whatever shall we do. I KNOW! Kill them ALL by golly...every last stinkin' one of em. Nasty critters. you didn't give them the pass code to the gates did you? oh crap!
geezuuz kerrrisst
I can't deal with this behavior. Stupid Humans.
I was reading some of the comments on the WFMZ article, and as laid back as I am (usually, really, even tho you might not believe it from reading this post..but i am ), I have to say that there's one guy from Philly (like HE knows anything about bears in Philly, right? ...yeah, maybe he has them mixed up with "Da Bears" but he wouldn't know a black bear from a kitty cat) anyway, this guy's from Philly talking about how we need to kill the bears so we're not whining about our kids getting mauled by them ???? wtf? when did that happen eh? must have missed that one. ..anyway, i might have to slap that smirk right off this obnoxious guy's face if we were in the same room together. It's hard enough being on the same web page with the jerk.
Sooo, as you may have gathered, ...I hold my ground. This is unnecessary. and to me, disgusting, behavior, to say the very least.
jo
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"How I choose to feel is how I am." ~ EV/MMc
"Some people hear their own inner voices with great clearness and they live by what they hear. Such people become crazy, or they become legends." ~ One Stab ~
Not to mention that deer die from starvation in cold winters, which I find sadder than killing for the hunt.
I don't know anything about the bear population in NJ, but the deer population can get so large and out of control that hunting is necessary.
Unfortunately, Delta, I do know hunters, and more unfortunately, many more than i'm comfortable admitting to, who kill just for the thrill of it, or to hang the biggest rack on their library wall, or parade around town with the biggest buck tied to the top of their pickup. i know hunters (well A hunter, singular, thankfully) lets call him "Steve", oh i don't know why, but lets just call him that - Steve...)who puts salt licks in his back yard to lure the deer out from the treeline so they (well thankfully only HE) can "hunt" from the comfort of his back deck with a case of beer at his foot and rifle at the ready ..also very illegal, but i suppose if he had a shotgun in his hands we'd all be dead by now.
i'm sorry to have to know these people, but i do, so i must respectfully disagree with your assessment of the situation.
i'm not saying that there aren't hunters who use the meat, i'm just saying, that in my experience, there are many more Steves out there than we'd like to admit.
jo
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"How I choose to feel is how I am." ~ EV/MMc
"Some people hear their own inner voices with great clearness and they live by what they hear. Such people become crazy, or they become legends." ~ One Stab ~
we hunt bears for trophies and organs - not out of necessity but to satisfy the human ego ... our incursion into their natural habitat because of our excessive consuming ways has caused them to lose their food sources ... and what we are doing to the polar bear because of global warming is tragic and as inhumane as it gets ...
To me, bear hunting and deer hunting are different... while bear populations are high some areas, there are no where near the level of deer. Deer do real damage to farms and become dangerous on roadways in some areas... black bears for the must part just become nuisances and are big so people are scared of them.
One comment I've seen a couple of times here is about people encroaching on wildlife, not the other way around. And while I agree, they were here first, and I hate seeing beautiful wildlife areas and large old farmland being bulldozed over and filled with houses, but what is the real alternative to hunting?
You can say that we shouldn't take their habitat, but in reality, that's not an option... especially in condensed states like NJ or areas where suburbs are sprawling out further and further...
So it's either we have monitored hunting season where "thinning the heard" and trying to keep the population we have healthy, or the over populated deer completely wipe out their own food sources (and starve) and terribly damage crops on local farms.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
i disagree that we don't have options ... who's to say we all need to live in 2,500 sq. ft homes with huge yards ... i'm not sure which part of jersey this is but i know someone who lives near Paramus and she and everyone else in her neck of the woods has a huge two storey house with a massive yard ... every family has two cars and no one walks anywhere ...
see, now blackredyellow, that's one of the points i've been trying to make...new jersey is NOT by any means a condensed, or overpopulated state. all of what most people believe NJ to be is "condensed" yes you're right in that sense, but into one very small area of the state, that being in the middle/east to northeast part of the state, that which is aligned with NYC. Other than that, there are a couple of larger cities, Trenton and Camden, but NJ is mainly farmland, pine barrens and in the NW the foothills of the Pocono mountains, largely rural and sparsely populated. Except, for as I mentioned, the new(ish) mc mansion fad. There is plenty of room for our furry friends.
Just wanted to clarify that misconception. You being from PA probably already know this, but our readers may not.
I agree that deer do damage and can be a nuisance on the road, matter of fact i've had a traffic quarrel with a big buck who decided to sit on my windshield a few years back, but we're vastly more intelligent, right? so we can't come up with better solutions?
and as far as the starving of the herd in winter,(in reference to Jeanwah's comment now) i'm sure that some die, i know this is true, however, this is the way of nature, not man's decision to alter.
While I personally would never become a hunter, or condone it, I don't have an issue with those who hunt responsibly to feed their families and their communities.
With this bear hunt, though, feeding ourselves is not aim...eliminating the bears is the aim. Having the biggest trophy on your wall is the aim. Being able to brag about your "kill" is the aim. "Harvesting" the black bear is not the way of nature, nor should it be the way of man.
Deer and black bear are both a gentle species, contrary to what some might believe, and it hurts my heart to hear the shots ring out in the early dawn. It truly does.
jo
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"How I choose to feel is how I am." ~ EV/MMc
"Some people hear their own inner voices with great clearness and they live by what they hear. Such people become crazy, or they become legends." ~ One Stab ~
But what are the options?
We don't need 2,500 sq/ft homes or these new housing developments going up everywhere when there are so many existing homes on the market. But as long as people want big, new homes, and as long as developers can make money buying old farmlands and turning them into these communities, our encroachment into their habitat isn't going to stop.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
That's sorta why I put that line in there differentiating bear hunting and deer hunting. While I see deer hunting as a necessity due to our taking up their habitat (and them having no natural predators), I don't think that bear hunting in necessary. Maybe without these hunting seasons, bear overpopulation could become a problem, but I don't see that it is now (I could be wrong, I'm not a biologist).
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Northwest NJ is the part where the hunt is most evident. Paramus is middle to northeast NJ. That is the sprawling city to suburban NYC area I have been referencing.
Northwest NJ is rural, completely. The foothills of the Pocono Mtns. Small hamlets, small towns. Miles and miles of farmland. Even more miles of rolling hills and small "mountains" nearly devoid of humans. This is not the NJ you see in your head when you think of NJ. There are the gated McMansion communities springing up everywhere...and NW NJ has become increasingly more popular over the last decade or two for that type of living because there is now direct route to NYC via I-78 and I-80, or bus lines. There is still no direct rail access to NYC from here, thank goodness, or we'd be over-run, not with deer and bears, but with accountants and CEOs.
jo
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"How I choose to feel is how I am." ~ EV/MMc
"Some people hear their own inner voices with great clearness and they live by what they hear. Such people become crazy, or they become legends." ~ One Stab ~
Fuck the humans who have destroyed this planet! Fuck the humans who do nothing, and contribute nothing to society! Fuck the humans whose lives revolve around celebrities dancing (and skating!) on TV! Why are we any better than the animals?
If anything, animals should be controlling our population. 310 million and counting!! Cut that by half and we would all - including the animals - be much better off. Bye bye pedophiles, murderers, rapists, drug dealers, welfare manipulators, unemployment drainers, reality "stars", couch potatoes, Madoffs, People magazine readers, boob tube zombies, Dawn of the Dead characters, TMZ watchers, green-eyed monsters, Gordon Geckos, bullies, cyber-bullies, egomaniacal pundits, corrupt politicians, criminal athletes, bye bye!
Rock on "StillHere"!!!
i actually think of farmland when i think of jersey because my gf lives in NY and she is all about food and food justice and buying local ... most of the vendors at union square or other farmers markets are from jersey ... i just couldn't believe the "mcmansions" as you call it when i was over there ... the back yards were massive ... also, i hear they are thinking of taking one of the trains and extending it to jersey ... forget which one ...
Gov. Christie shut down the new tunnel plan, which cost 2,000 jobs. NJ received stimulus money, but I'm not sure exactly how much were for this project. The Post, Reuters, and Bloomberg gave different figures.
Christie is a piece of shit. I can;t see any logic in the moves he is making.
lets be nice to those dealers
everything else in your post i agree with
deer populations are a different topic than bear hunting
deer hunting and bear hunting... two different topics too
bear killers are lightweight candy ass cowards
deer meat feeds hungry mouths
a bear rug makes that hunter a piece of trash
a deer head on the wall is wrong too
eat the deer and shut the fuck up about it
simple shit
why can't we shoot people who kill whales?
why can't we shoot some asshole who shoots elephants?
kill a bear because you are tough with a gun, get shot yourself
i am very sick and tired of people freaked out about wild animals
we have deer living all over town here
i like it
deer graze in my front & back yard
sometimes i feed 'em corn and apples
my cocksmoker neighbor shoots bottlerockets at deer and coyotes
only after calling me up " hey wick, should i shoot this coyote that's out back in our yards?
what a stupid dickhead
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
jo
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"How I choose to feel is how I am." ~ EV/MMc
"Some people hear their own inner voices with great clearness and they live by what they hear. Such people become crazy, or they become legends." ~ One Stab ~
Imagine running to your car to go to work in the moring and a fucking allosaurus gives you a jolt!
thank you thank you
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Not what you expected?
delaware water gap NW NJ
belvidere nj, warren county
beautiful isn't it?
yep, this is new jersey
delaware water gap nj/pa border NW NJ/NE PA
This stuff is all pretty much right in my back yard, all w/i a 20 min ride from where i lived up until april (now i'm in PA on the other side of the river, but pretty much just the same here)
a little bobby tore half an ear off my lab a few years back..taught him a lesson
or two about trying to mess with the kitties
jugtown mountain, hunterdon county, nj
you know the line..its nothing as it seems
jugtown mtn
may 2009 high bridge nj
these guys give you some terrible dreams when they screech past your window on a mouse hunt at night omg! red-tailedhawk..but majestic
in the graveyard on the hill
at the little league field last year
leaving the field
OH and just one more.. a handy little suggestion on how NJ can control its deer population..seems to be working out for this cat
sure enough, its a mountain lion, as we call cougars here back east
she's got a nice meal for her family tonight
now THIS is hunting as nature intended it
jo
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"How I choose to feel is how I am." ~ EV/MMc
"Some people hear their own inner voices with great clearness and they live by what they hear. Such people become crazy, or they become legends." ~ One Stab ~
i call them McMansions because they are mass produced, low quality, high priced, cookie cutter homes, fooling the metropolites into thinking they are getting a great deal (by NYC standards, dirt cheap at $450,000 right?) on a"country" home. its a helluva lot less expensive than the hamptons, and its "quaint".....brainwashed...for all the brainpower these businessmen and women have, you'd think they'd get it?
oh well, and ya NJ transit extends as far as morris county and somerset...nothing out this way but freight lines so far
there have been talks in the works for years about extending light passenger rail service all the way out here
money talks and so i doubt it will be too awfully much longer before its a reality
then god, or someone, save us all :roll:
jo
http://www.Etsy.com/Shop/SimpleEarthCreations
"How I choose to feel is how I am." ~ EV/MMc
"Some people hear their own inner voices with great clearness and they live by what they hear. Such people become crazy, or they become legends." ~ One Stab ~
glad he's not my neighbor chad
maybe he'll shoot himself in the foot next time
knucklehead
and i agree with the assessment on the 420
jo
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"How I choose to feel is how I am." ~ EV/MMc
"Some people hear their own inner voices with great clearness and they live by what they hear. Such people become crazy, or they become legends." ~ One Stab ~
The bear hunt sucks. It is just a bunch of guys (well, mostly guys I'm sure) wanting kill something and brag about it. Hunters act as if they are doing something challenging and heroic by killing anything, but especially bears or mountain lions or wolves. But that is a joke. Animals in a relatively small area with guys with high powered rifles, scopes, special scents, dogs, camoflauge, etc. really don't stand a chance.
As for deer hunting, almost every hunter I know justifies their killing because they "eat the deer." However, it would be much cheaper for them to buy meat at a grocery store or even an organic farm because the cost of guns, ammo, deer permits, hunting clothes, equipment to haul the deer out of the woods, etc. costs a lot more than buying good meat. A hunter could even buy extra meat they don't need and donate it to others for the cost of deer hunting. (Keep in mind I am a vegetarian so I don't encourage meat eating at all). To me it is abonimable for someone to sit in a tree and wait for something to walk by so they can shoot it. That is a "sniper" not a hunter. And then there are the "hunters" who grow grain on their property just to attract deer that they can shoot during deer season. They feed the deer to get them to come to their property on a daily basis just so they can shoot them later. To me this should be considered baiting and should be illegal, but it isn't when it comes to growing crops for them. Then there is a local farmer who grows a big stand of sunflowers every year to attract doves. Then he invites his friends and family over. They congregate in the sunflower fields and slaughter hundreds of doves. They say that is fun.
sorry chadwick.......we cannot make exceptions.
making exceptions......is the fundamental problem today.
some bait deer with salt licks
that i know is illegal
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
where's that death penalty thread when ya need it?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce