GOING TO CALIFORNIA

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  • Pitbull Peter
    Pitbull Peter Posts: 115
    Citizen Zack wrote:
    I don't think it's any secret that Going To California inspired, to some degree at least, the music to Given To Fly. It's not a ripoff, but a great tribute. Listen to The Who's 'I Can See For Miles' then Breakerfall back to back and you could start the same discussion. Musicians regularly pull from their influences.

    Oh, and to answer the original question, YES I would love to see the full band do a Going To California cover (just PJ, not with Plant and company).


    You hit it right on the head, I am talking a true cover, not with Plant. :D:D:D
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  • jimbojones1138
    jimbojones1138 Posts: 3,640
    Pitbull Peter wrote:
    Citizen Zack wrote:
    I don't think it's any secret that Going To California inspired, to some degree at least, the music to Given To Fly. It's not a ripoff, but a great tribute. Listen to The Who's 'I Can See For Miles' then Breakerfall back to back and you could start the same discussion. Musicians regularly pull from their influences.

    Oh, and to answer the original question, YES I would love to see the full band do a Going To California cover (just PJ, not with Plant and company).


    You hit it right on the head, I am talking a true cover, not with Plant. :D:D:D

    yeah, mike mentioned in an interview i have, its prolly disc 4 or 5 of the tv appearances dvd set...where mike said that gtc directly influenced... stone says something along the lines of " great now they can use this clip in court" and than went on to say, " i have only one thing to say ... MUDDY WATERS!"
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  • Veddernarian
    Veddernarian Posts: 1,924
    Plant refuses to rest on his past and refuses to be a jukebox of old hits. Can't fault him for that. Some like and dislike the direcetions he's taken, he's doing this for his own interests.

    As for Going to California, HOB was great. Encore #2, PJ comes out and dedicates Given to Fly to Robert Plant. Then, as GTF fades out, Plant and his band come on stage while PJ sits there like at a campfire and Plant does Going to California. Obviously all of this is sort of tongue in cheek. So you can read into this what you want. I read that GTF was inspired by GTC and a bunch of people got upset but the two bands (Plant and PJ) really don't give a crap and are sort of laughing at all the people who are getting upset.

    Following GTC, they played Little Sister(Xmas single), Money, Fool in the Rain, and Thank you. For me personally, that was a pinnacle in "music". My two favorites on stage together doing that stuff.

    Listen to "Heartbreaker" on Led Zeppelin II, and then the solo in "All or none" Boston 2003, night 3. So what?!?!? I think the HOB thing, the R&R HOF performances, Neil Young, Doors, Who... All of this constitutes the old timers recognising PJ as the ones to help carry the baton of rock.
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  • PilateOfTheStorm
    PilateOfTheStorm Posts: 4,319
    Mitch8415 wrote:
    A guy from the UK had never listened to Going to California.

    wut

    Haha yeah it is wierd for a guy from the UK...









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  • joe2468
    joe2468 Posts: 3,049
    DewieCox wrote:
    marcos wrote:
    especially when they are no longer relevant.

    Most absurd statement in the history of the internet.

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    im with you on that ..... ZEP was ..IS...and ALWAYS WILL BE one of the best rock bands to ever walk the face of the planet .... and im not even a die hard zep fan .. but i do own a bunch of cds i just found AN 8 TRACK in a house i was doing work on
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  • Fastrichie
    Fastrichie Sandy Hook, CT Posts: 922
    Mitch8415 wrote:
    marcos wrote:
    jimbojones1138 wrote:
    according to certain members of led zep, given to fly was a direct ripoff of going to california

    Yeah, according to many early blues artists, Led Zep ripped off all there songs, there was even a book written about how they ripped off so much music that they had to go back and change credits in their records. It's funny for them to accuse someone of ripping them off, especially when they are no longer relevant.

    The guy that runs Kingston Mines here in Chicago brought up the fact that Zep stole a bunch of blues riffs from Chicago artists the last time I went there and caught some bands... See: Waters, Muddy.


    Same can be said for the Stones. They have a lot of tunes that are that way. Same as Zeppelin. They loved those old blues guys.
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  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    ^^^Alot of it had to do with lyric changes. Most of the stuff that was "stolen" isn't immediately recognizable, but when paired with the lyrics it puts it over the edge.

    Hendrix, Clapton, ABB and really every other rock band did similar stuff musically with old blues numbers, they just credited or disguised it better.
  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
    joe2468 wrote:
    DewieCox wrote:
    marcos wrote:
    especially when they are no longer relevant.

    Most absurd statement in the history of the internet.

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    im with you on that ..... ZEP was ..IS...and ALWAYS WILL BE one of the best rock bands to ever walk the face of the planet .... and im not even a die hard zep fan .. but i do own a bunch of cds i just found AN 8 TRACK in a house i was doing work on
    just cause they are one of the best rock bands doesn't mean they are relevant. look at the who, aerosmith and many other rock artist of the 70's that aren't relevant in todays music landscape.
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  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    metsfan wrote:
    just cause they are one of the best rock bands doesn't mean they are relevant. look at the who, aerosmith and many other rock artist of the 70's that aren't relevant in todays music landscape.


    They're influence is immense. If they release an album(live, greatest hits, whatever) today it's gonna be sittin somewhere close to the top of the charts. Outside of the Beatles nobody touches them.

    They will be relevant as long as popular music exists. To say otherwise is pretty ignorant.


    None of those band you mention are Led fuckin Zeppelin.
  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
    DewieCox wrote:
    metsfan wrote:
    just cause they are one of the best rock bands doesn't mean they are relevant. look at the who, aerosmith and many other rock artist of the 70's that aren't relevant in todays music landscape.


    They're influence is immense. If they release an album(live, greatest hits, whatever) today it's gonna be sittin somewhere close to the top of the charts. Outside of the Beatles nobody touches them.

    They will be relevant as long as popular music exists. To say otherwise is pretty ignorant.


    None of those band you mention are Led fuckin Zeppelin.
    being an influence in today's music landscape doesn't mean you are relevant at all

    i hate led zep with a passion




    and if led zep released another greatest hits album i highly doubt it will chart #1. go look at the number of greatest hits albums the who have put out and look at how poorly they sold. shit back in 06 their first new album in 24 years only peaked at number 9 in their own damn fucking country.
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  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    metsfan wrote:
    being an influence in today's music landscape doesn't mean you are relevant at all

    i hate led zep with a passion


    and if led zep released another greatest hits album i highly doubt it will chart #1. go look at the number of greatest hits albums the who have put out and look at how poorly they sold. shit back in 06 their first new album in 24 years only peaked at number 9 in their own damn fucking country.

    Yeah it does, especially when they're such a dominating influence. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/relevant

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothership_%28album%29
    http://en.wikipedia.or/wiki/How_the_Wes ... erformance


    I don't think The Who is as popular as Zeppelin, by a pretty fair margin. They're both obviously hugely popular, but I just don't think The Who has the stroke that Zeppelin does. Led Zeppelin could put any song from their entire catalog on a greatest hits collection. The Who put the same 20 or so on all of them. Part of that is the nature of some of their albums, part of it is they're just not as good from top to bottom. Page and Plant outcharted their newest studio album with Walking Into Clarksdale in the UK and Zep has always been more popular in the US than UK.


    It's clear you're biased, so I'll just stick to facts.
  • Fastrichie
    Fastrichie Sandy Hook, CT Posts: 922
    20,000,000 ticket requests for 18,000 seats in 2007 (tickets were lottery only)not to mention McCartney, Grohl, ect. and all the celebs that had to be there. Seems like they are still relevant. And Dewie is right. Like when they put out When the west was won, thier whole catalog jumps up the charts. Anything they put out is gold.

    You may not like them, much like Terry Collins, but they are relevant. Actually I' don't mind Terry Collins. Think he may be what they need as opposed to Manuel.
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  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
    DewieCox wrote:
    metsfan wrote:
    being an influence in today's music landscape doesn't mean you are relevant at all

    i hate led zep with a passion


    and if led zep released another greatest hits album i highly doubt it will chart #1. go look at the number of greatest hits albums the who have put out and look at how poorly they sold. shit back in 06 their first new album in 24 years only peaked at number 9 in their own damn fucking country.

    Yeah it does, especially when they're such a dominating influence. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/relevant

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothership_%28album%29
    http://en.wikipedia.or/wiki/How_the_Wes ... erformance


    I don't think The Who is as popular as Zeppelin, by a pretty fair margin. They're both obviously hugely popular, but I just don't think The Who has the stroke that Zeppelin does. Led Zeppelin could put any song from their entire catalog on a greatest hits collection. The Who put the same 20 or so on all of them. Part of that is the nature of some of their albums, part of it is they're just not as good from top to bottom. Page and Plant outcharted their newest studio album with Walking Into Clarksdale in the UK and Zep has always been more popular in the US than UK.


    It's clear you're biased, so I'll just stick to facts.
    what facts have you shown other then your last part of your post. everything your saying is what if's.

    Here's some facts

    American music fans are to simple minded. that's why led zep are hugly popular here. The who are an acquired taste and are harder to get as say the rolling stones or the beatles or the led zep. The who were a mod singles band for most of their career. if it wasn't for kit lambert, the who woulda been a mod/blues uk bar band. Funny how it takes a guy on smack to realize the talent they had. The who release a greatest hits album what seems like every year cause it probably has to do with the record contract
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  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,092
    jimbojones1138 wrote:
    according to certain members of led zep, given to fly was a direct ripoff of going to california

    and certain members of Pearl Jam too
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    metsfan wrote:
    what facts have you shown other then your last part of your post. everything your saying is what if's.

    Here's some facts

    American music fans are to simple minded. that's why led zep are hugly popular here. The who are an acquired taste and are harder to get as say the rolling stones or the beatles or the led zep. The who were a mod singles band for most of their career. if it wasn't for kit lambert, the who woulda been a mod/blues uk bar band. Funny how it takes a guy on smack to realize the talent they had. The who release a greatest hits album what seems like every year cause it probably has to do with the record contract

    The sales numbers are facts. The Who aren't as popular no matter how you cut it.

    You say they were a mod singles band for most of their career, yet they still have to put the same handful of songs on every greatest hits album.


    You say Zep isn't relevant and you don't use any facts to back it up, you just say you hate them. I don't really have to back up my statements b/c it's completely stupid to say that Led Zeppelin isn't relevant and there's plenty of other people(music legends) that will back me up.


    I'd like to know what the hell you think makes relevance? If not Zep, then who? It's what timeless music is about.
  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
    edited November 2010
    DewieCox wrote:

    You say Zep isn't relevant and you don't use any facts to back it up, you just say you hate them. I don't really have to back up my statements b/c it's completely stupid to say that Led Zeppelin isn't relevant and there's plenty of other people(music legends) that will back me up.


    I'd like to know what the hell you think makes relevance? If not Zep, then who? It's what timeless music is about.
    and again led zep out sell the who in america cause american's are to simple minded music fans. kiss is hugely popular in america and they flat out suck balls.

    the who put out the same greatest hits album almost every year probably cause it's the record label doing. alota greatest hit's albums are just record contract fulfillment


    being relevant to me means making music and touring and having a impact on the charts. by your accounts i guess the ramones are still relevant cause every punk band copied them or johnny cash is relevant cause every country artist copies him.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Who#Le ... _influence


    i respect the led zep greatly for what they did but for me they do nothing.




    btw- i actually own how the west was won and it's probably the only led zep cd i'll ever own
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  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,092
    why can't both Zeppelin AND the Who be relevant together?
  • Kraven
    Kraven Posts: 829
    You woke up the resident Led Zeppelin fanboy, and I for once completely agree with him.

    To say Led Zeppelin is irrelevant is pure ignorance. Do you know how many people cite Led Zeppelin as an influence, or how many up and coming guitarists wish they had Page's chops? Every kid that was in my high school, learning to play guitar or that was heavily into music was donning a Zeppelin shirt, or practicing Jimmy's riffs and that was only 5 years ago. As a matter of fact I am wearing my Icarus shirt right now.

    Do you think Mike McCready or Dave Grohl would say Led Zeppelin are irrelevant? I think Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones coming up on stage to play a couple of songs with the Foo Fighters, shows how much they are on people's minds to this day. What about John Paul Jones playing with Dave Grohl and Josh Homme in Them Crooked Vultures? Certainly makes him relevant to me.

    Led Zeppelin has nothing to prove to anybody, they don't need to tour, and flat out refuse to no matter how much money they would make. They said they were done when Bonzo died, and they for all intensive purposes have been. Excuse them for being the biggest band in the world for close to a decade and having the pride to step away from what made them ridiculously famous.
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  • Kraven
    Kraven Posts: 829
    metsfan wrote:
    and again led zep out sell the who in america cause american's are to simple minded music fans.

    Go listen to Achilles Last Stand and tell me what about that is "simple" or even Good Times, Bad Times off of Led Zeppelin I, the first track on their first album and tell me what part of Bonzo's drumming is simple or what part of Jimmy's solo is simple
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  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
    edited November 2010
    mookeywrench wrote:
    why can't both Zeppelin AND the Who be relevant together?
    cause one band actually made new music and the other refuses to make new music. again having band's copy you doesn't make you relevant, it just means you were the first to do it. i guess buddy holly is relevant cause every band copies him in someway.
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