first off, im not a sheep. i happen to really like the song. it was the first thing that really grabbed me off of Riot Act.
then again, i have a pretty broad range of musical tastes. and i like different cultures music. while i agree its not for everyone,
knowing the meaning behind the song, i would hope, would keep remarks like his to a min.
anyway, you can go on with you vast knowledge of "EVERyTHING" if you would like.
good day.
Peace, Love.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
leave that album space open to bring back a song like GIRL. a bad ass song that has never really seen the light of day. id much rather have a studio version of GIRL than ARC.
Yeah because Girl would fit right in on Riot Act.
Arc is a great song.
"hear my name, take a good look, this could be the day."
Did you stop to think that maybe they may be doing it to get this type of reaction? Unfortunately, there are people who enjoy starting controversy that may or may not even believe what they write/say. No need to get to bent out of shape.
And just because I use capital letters and explanation points, doesn't really mean that I am bent out of shape. I appreciate your comment, but I ALWAYS think that people are saying things they don't mean, to get a reaction. But I will still tell them when they are idiots, with a smile on my face!
there are 9 "arcs" in the song for each of the 9 victims lost at the Roskilde festival. It's really cool. Nice tribute.
Wow I never knew that. Now I like the song even more. I saw them perform it in Dallas several years ago, wish I had known that then. I think it is amazing to hear it performed live.
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4.25 What is the deal with Arc?
While trying to write something for one of the families who lost their loved one at Roskilde (see Question 6.9), Ed ended up writing this song in the studio. The chanting consists of his voice layered 10 times on top of one another. In Ed's words, "It is a song of grief".
6.9 What happened at Roskilde?
Late on the night of June 30, Pearl Jam was playing their set at the annual Roskilde festival. Due to weather conditions, the front area was muddy and slippery. Due to this and the surging of an enormous crowd, a group of fans up front lost their balance and fell. Eight men were crushed to death, one more died in the hospital a few days later. Pearl Jam released the following statement after the tragedy:
June 30, 2000
Statement from Pearl Jam in Response to Roskilde Festival Tragedy
Copenhagen, Denmark-This is so painful...I think we are all waiting for someone to wake us and say it was just a horrible nightmare.
And there are absolutely no words to express our anguish in regard to the parents and loved ones of these precious lives that were lost.
We have not yet been told what actually occurred, but it seemed to be random and sickeningly quick it doesn't make sense.
When you agree to play at a festival of this size and reputation it is impossible to imagine such a heart-wrenching scenario.
Our lives will never be the same, but we know that is nothing compared to the grief of the families and friends of those involved.
It is so tragic ... there are no words.
Devastated, --Pearl Jam
The band has been cleared from responsibility in the accident, and blame has been placed on a variety of factors from the weather, to poor sound in the rear, to problems with the security command chain. The result from this incident will likely be that Pearl Jam no longer plays festival shows, or general admission crowds unless they are in strict control of the security arrangements.
Love Boat Captain off of Riot Act also makes mention of this tragedy: "Lost nine friends we'll never know, two years ago today".
first off, im not a sheep. i happen to really like the song. it was the first thing that really grabbed me off of Riot Act.
then again, i have a pretty broad range of musical tastes. and i like different cultures music. while i agree its not for everyone,
knowing the meaning behind the song, i would hope, would keep remarks like his to a min.
anyway, you can go on with you vast knowledge of "EVERyTHING" if you would like.
good day.
good day? ha! i'm not done with you yet lol
all i'm doing is trying to defend the original poster of this thread who had a very legitimate personal opinion about a song and who also had a valid question about the song...and then people come on here bashing this person...who, quite obviously, didn't know the background story behind the song
when i said i "know everything about everything" i was being very sarcastic, but, um, well...wudeva!
when i first spun riot act the song i liked the least was help help, followed by arc.
help help is a bad song, regardless of the meaning of it. there, i said it
how can a song without words be about something in particular?
i have always struggled with this...and i'm not talking about arc here...rather instrumental jazz...i could never grasp the concept that a song could have a meaning/story without actually having words in the song...weird shit.
some people need words to have them believe it's a song.
how can a song without words be about something in particular?
i have always struggled with this...and i'm not talking about arc here...rather instrumental jazz...i could never grasp the concept that a song could have a meaning/story without actually having words in the song...weird shit.
some people need words to have them believe it's a song.
Interesting....so EVERY instrumental EVER done isnt a song in your eyes??
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My friend was going to see Eddie last night. Since he was in Vegas, I gave him 5 Grand to gamble with. I told him I wanted it all to go on Black. Bastard! PhillyCrownOfThorns-11-2-12
all i'm doing is trying to defend the original poster of this thread who had a very legitimate personal opinion about a song and who also had a valid question about the song...and then people come on here bashing this person...who, quite obviously, didn't know the background story behind the song
when i said i "know everything about everything" i was being very sarcastic, but, um, well...wudeva!
when i first spun riot act the song i liked the least was help help, followed by arc.
help help is a bad song, regardless of the meaning of it. there, i said it
if i dont really know who MLK was, and what he was about, then say, go to a black history message board, and say "why the hell does everyone like this guy so much, so he made a few good speeches, big deal. he wasnt even a real Rev. "
if i did that i would take my beating , as it would be deserved.
i know you were being sarcastic. so was i. its all good.
help help is not great. we agree on that.
Peace, Love.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
how can a song without words be about something in particular?
i have always struggled with this...and i'm not talking about arc here...rather instrumental jazz...i could never grasp the concept that a song could have a meaning/story without actually having words in the song...weird shit.
So the only way to express feelings and emotions is through words? You must be a very left-brained individual (not that there's anything wrong with that).
In your mind, I suppose Van Gogh was just a dude with one ear who painted pictures of flowers. Since, you know, none of his paintings had words.
Emotions/feelings/sentiments can be expressed in a variety of ways. Arc expresses a grief that is too big for words, which is why there aren't any.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
So the only way to express feelings and emotions is through words? You must be a very left-brained individual (not that there's anything wrong with that).
In your mind, I suppose Van Gogh was just a dude with one ear who painted pictures of flowers. Since, you know, none of his paintings had words.
Emotions/feelings/sentiments can be expressed in a variety of ways. Arc expresses a grief that is too big for words, which is why there aren't any.
My friend was going to see Eddie last night. Since he was in Vegas, I gave him 5 Grand to gamble with. I told him I wanted it all to go on Black. Bastard! PhillyCrownOfThorns-11-2-12
how can i 'trash' a song thats not a song. all im saying is, if it didnt exist, or if it was never played again, or never mentioned again, i wouldnt lose any sleep over it. to me its album filler, same goes for bugs and all those other cutting room floor songs. Putting that on an album is about the same as letting stone sing a song on an album.
It might not be a song, but it's music, incredibly meaningful music.
Once you hear Arc live, it opens your world up to how amazing the song truly is.
true. i think i saw it 3 times in '03, and it is utterly amazing live. waaaaayyyy more emotional and powerful in the live setting, plus its totally extended, and eventually just turns to chaos with all the looping...fantastic!
Interesting....so EVERY instrumental EVER done isnt a song in your eyes??
who said anything about "every" and "ever"
classical music compositions are songs but what i find hard to understand is how each song is about a certain particular thing, according to the composer of the song. so in the same line of thought, when you hear an instrumental song do you know what its definitely about? i don't.
So the only way to express feelings and emotions is through words? You must be a very left-brained individual (not that there's anything wrong with that).
In your mind, I suppose Van Gogh was just a dude with one ear who painted pictures of flowers. Since, you know, none of his paintings had words.
Emotions/feelings/sentiments can be expressed in a variety of ways. Arc expresses a grief that is too big for words, which is why there aren't any.
im not saying the only way to express feelings/emotions is through words...rather just that i have a difficult time understanding the TRUE meaning of a song without any words in it.
who knew arc was about Copenhagen?...when you heard it for the first time did you automatically say "oh, thats about Copehagen"? i didn't.
personally speaking i have a hard time knowing what a song is about without any words. sure it's still a song, but not necessarily everyone thinks the same way as me.
keep in mind some classical songs/instrumentals are actually about actual specific things...not just merely aboutconveying general emotions/feelings.
just because a "song" has meaning for someone, doesn't mean everyone else has to like it. I also don't like Arc and don't think it's a song. I can't stand listening to it, but I respect the meaning it might have for Ed (or whoever), although I'm not going to fall all over it. I hear people talk about how Come Back has so much meaning for them...I simply cannot stand that song. I personally love Footsteps and it has meaning to me, but I am not going to bitch someone out for "not understanding the meaning" or throw them overboard because they disagree.
I think the original poster has the right to post that he thinks it sucks JUST as much as you people have to give your opinions against it. But don't go making him look like a bad guy or insensitive because he doesn't know why the non-song was written or what.
sometimes people can be so mean. maybe he just didn't know.
if i dont really know who MLK was, and what he was about, then say, go to a black history message board, and say "why the hell does everyone like this guy so much, so he made a few good speeches, big deal. he wasnt even a real Rev. "
if i did that i would take my beating , as it would be deserved.
i know you were being sarcastic. so was i. its all good.
help help is not great. we agree on that.
welcome to cyberspace! where not everyone has the couth that you and i might have
just because a "song" has meaning for someone, doesn't mean everyone else has to like it. I also don't like Arc and don't think it's a song. I can't stand listening to it, but I respect the meaning it might have for Ed (or whoever), although I'm not going to fall all over it. I hear people talk about how Come Back has so much meaning for them...I simply cannot stand that song. I personally love Footsteps and it has meaning to me, but I am not going to bitch someone out for "not understanding the meaning" or throw them overboard because they disagree.
I think the original poster has the right to post that he thinks it sucks JUST as much as you people have to give your opinions against it. But don't go making him look like a bad guy or insensitive because he doesn't know why the non-song was written or what.
sometimes people can be so mean. maybe he just didn't know.
You have the right to hold the opinion that Arc sucks. But you don't have the right to hold the opinion that it is not a song, because that's not an opinion. That's a narrow-minded stupid as fuck thought process that has no reason to ever be verbalized or in this case typed out. Arc is a song. That's a fact.
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first off, im not a sheep. i happen to really like the song. it was the first thing that really grabbed me off of Riot Act.
then again, i have a pretty broad range of musical tastes. and i like different cultures music. while i agree its not for everyone,
knowing the meaning behind the song, i would hope, would keep remarks like his to a min.
anyway, you can go on with you vast knowledge of "EVERyTHING" if you would like.
good day.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
Yeah because Girl would fit right in on Riot Act.
Arc is a great song.
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And just because I use capital letters and explanation points, doesn't really mean that I am bent out of shape. I appreciate your comment, but I ALWAYS think that people are saying things they don't mean, to get a reaction. But I will still tell them when they are idiots, with a smile on my face!
it is amazing live.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
Wow I never knew that. Now I like the song even more. I saw them perform it in Dallas several years ago, wish I had known that then. I think it is amazing to hear it performed live.
It is very differant. That makes it a big deal for me.
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2.) If you look hard enough you can find at least 2 and maybe 3 versions of Girl. Arc fits on Riot Act, Girl does not.
3.) Go buy Bayleaf and then come back here and tell me Stone can't sing.
4.) ???
5.) Profit
ayyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh
ahhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ayyyyyyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh
ahhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaa.
ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyaaaaaaahhhhh,
ahhhhhhhhh.
While trying to write something for one of the families who lost their loved one at Roskilde (see Question 6.9), Ed ended up writing this song in the studio. The chanting consists of his voice layered 10 times on top of one another. In Ed's words, "It is a song of grief".
6.9 What happened at Roskilde?
Late on the night of June 30, Pearl Jam was playing their set at the annual Roskilde festival. Due to weather conditions, the front area was muddy and slippery. Due to this and the surging of an enormous crowd, a group of fans up front lost their balance and fell. Eight men were crushed to death, one more died in the hospital a few days later. Pearl Jam released the following statement after the tragedy:
June 30, 2000
Statement from Pearl Jam in Response to Roskilde Festival Tragedy
Copenhagen, Denmark-This is so painful...I think we are all waiting for someone to wake us and say it was just a horrible nightmare.
And there are absolutely no words to express our anguish in regard to the parents and loved ones of these precious lives that were lost.
We have not yet been told what actually occurred, but it seemed to be random and sickeningly quick it doesn't make sense.
When you agree to play at a festival of this size and reputation it is impossible to imagine such a heart-wrenching scenario.
Our lives will never be the same, but we know that is nothing compared to the grief of the families and friends of those involved.
It is so tragic ... there are no words.
Devastated, --Pearl Jam
The band has been cleared from responsibility in the accident, and blame has been placed on a variety of factors from the weather, to poor sound in the rear, to problems with the security command chain. The result from this incident will likely be that Pearl Jam no longer plays festival shows, or general admission crowds unless they are in strict control of the security arrangements.
Love Boat Captain off of Riot Act also makes mention of this tragedy: "Lost nine friends we'll never know, two years ago today".
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Tell me what the definition of a song is then.
good day? ha! i'm not done with you yet
all i'm doing is trying to defend the original poster of this thread who had a very legitimate personal opinion about a song and who also had a valid question about the song...and then people come on here bashing this person...who, quite obviously, didn't know the background story behind the song
when i said i "know everything about everything" i was being very sarcastic, but, um, well...wudeva!
when i first spun riot act the song i liked the least was help help, followed by arc.
help help is a bad song, regardless of the meaning of it. there, i said it
how can a song without words be about something in particular?
i have always struggled with this...and i'm not talking about arc here...rather instrumental jazz...i could never grasp the concept that a song could have a meaning/story without actually having words in the song...weird shit.
some people need words to have them believe it's a song.
Interesting....so EVERY instrumental EVER done isnt a song in your eyes??
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My friend was going to see Eddie last night. Since he was in Vegas, I gave him 5 Grand to gamble with. I told him I wanted it all to go on Black. Bastard! PhillyCrownOfThorns-11-2-12
Just like I said last time when people said this would never be played again...
WRONG, WRONG, and WRONG!!!!!!!!
Bayleaf is fucking a gem. Stone sings great. His backgrounds remind me of the kings ray davies.
Girl should have been on ten, it really should have been a double album.
no more shows
And BROTHER!!!!! (with lyrics of course!)
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My friend was going to see Eddie last night. Since he was in Vegas, I gave him 5 Grand to gamble with. I told him I wanted it all to go on Black. Bastard! PhillyCrownOfThorns-11-2-12
if i dont really know who MLK was, and what he was about, then say, go to a black history message board, and say "why the hell does everyone like this guy so much, so he made a few good speeches, big deal. he wasnt even a real Rev. "
if i did that i would take my beating , as it would be deserved.
i know you were being sarcastic. so was i. its all good.
help help is not great. we agree on that.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
So the only way to express feelings and emotions is through words? You must be a very left-brained individual (not that there's anything wrong with that).
In your mind, I suppose Van Gogh was just a dude with one ear who painted pictures of flowers. Since, you know, none of his paintings had words.
Emotions/feelings/sentiments can be expressed in a variety of ways. Arc expresses a grief that is too big for words, which is why there aren't any.
for the least they could possibly do
Van Gogh only had one ear?
"Free Shipping" SPEEDY MCCREADY
My friend was going to see Eddie last night. Since he was in Vegas, I gave him 5 Grand to gamble with. I told him I wanted it all to go on Black. Bastard! PhillyCrownOfThorns-11-2-12
It might not be a song, but it's music, incredibly meaningful music.
I can't tell if this is a joke or not. He famously cut one off to send to a lover, probably because of the syphilis.
That's all most people know about Van Gogh.
for the least they could possibly do
true. i think i saw it 3 times in '03, and it is utterly amazing live. waaaaayyyy more emotional and powerful in the live setting, plus its totally extended, and eventually just turns to chaos with all the looping...fantastic!
who said anything about "every" and "ever"
classical music compositions are songs but what i find hard to understand is how each song is about a certain particular thing, according to the composer of the song. so in the same line of thought, when you hear an instrumental song do you know what its definitely about? i don't.
im not saying the only way to express feelings/emotions is through words...rather just that i have a difficult time understanding the TRUE meaning of a song without any words in it.
who knew arc was about Copenhagen?...when you heard it for the first time did you automatically say "oh, thats about Copehagen"? i didn't.
personally speaking i have a hard time knowing what a song is about without any words. sure it's still a song, but not necessarily everyone thinks the same way as me.
keep in mind some classical songs/instrumentals are actually about actual specific things...not just merely aboutconveying general emotions/feelings.
just because a "song" has meaning for someone, doesn't mean everyone else has to like it. I also don't like Arc and don't think it's a song. I can't stand listening to it, but I respect the meaning it might have for Ed (or whoever), although I'm not going to fall all over it. I hear people talk about how Come Back has so much meaning for them...I simply cannot stand that song. I personally love Footsteps and it has meaning to me, but I am not going to bitch someone out for "not understanding the meaning" or throw them overboard because they disagree.
I think the original poster has the right to post that he thinks it sucks JUST as much as you people have to give your opinions against it. But don't go making him look like a bad guy or insensitive because he doesn't know why the non-song was written or what.
sometimes people can be so mean. maybe he just didn't know.
Whatever you are, be a good one --Lincoln
welcome to cyberspace! where not everyone has the couth that you and i might have
You have the right to hold the opinion that Arc sucks. But you don't have the right to hold the opinion that it is not a song, because that's not an opinion. That's a narrow-minded stupid as fuck thought process that has no reason to ever be verbalized or in this case typed out. Arc is a song. That's a fact.
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Pj was balsy and had great vision as what they wanted to do.
A double album would have worked.
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Alone
Girl
Brother
State of love and trust
breath
Who got Janet so mad, you go girl, fly eagles fly. I never pictured you getting upset.
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